ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

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Re: ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion 

Post#681 » by LKN » Mon May 11, 2020 2:46 am

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Sprewell4Three wrote:Jordan haters favorite player Scottie Pippen quit on the Bulls during a damn game

Right, but this part of the documentary isn't a surprise. Pippen quitting and Kucok hitting the game winner is well documented at this point.

It's a huge blemish on Pippen's legacy, but it's pretty much the only blemish.


The migraine game wasn’t a blemish ?


Justified or not.... him stating he wasn't going to play for the Bulls again in 1998 was NOT received well at the time.
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Post#682 » by Sedale Threatt » Mon May 11, 2020 2:53 am

"You walked past me in a restaurant without saying hello ... now I'm going to destroy your entire family line."

MJ is a trip.
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Post#683 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Mon May 11, 2020 2:55 am

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Post#684 » by NaturalThunder » Mon May 11, 2020 2:57 am

I know I knew this at one point, but man...the 1995-1996 Bulls went 87-13 that season including the playoffs. That's absurd.
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Post#686 » by NotaHypeJob » Mon May 11, 2020 3:01 am

I feel bad for Payton, he legit did an amazing job on Jordan the last 3 games but MJ brushing it off and laughing in his face is killer lol
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Post#687 » by Petergrifindor » Mon May 11, 2020 3:10 am

The ending of Episode 7 is the most revealing segment in the documentary, when they ask him if he thinks his intensity has come at a price of being a nice guy.

The man clearly explains why he is how he is, and he appears to be conscious that the same traits that propelled him to achieve the highest level anybody has achieved in basketball, also had a price. The other side of the coin, the "I have a competition problem", the thing that make him choke up at the end of the episode thinking he might not have been always a nice person. You can tell it bothers him.

But he couldn't help it or switch it off.

Anyway the guy is all heart and fire. He really couldn't have made it in other way. In the end we are who we are.
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Post#688 » by NaturalThunder » Mon May 11, 2020 3:11 am

NotaHypeJob wrote:I feel bad for Payton, he legit did an amazing job on Jordan the last 3 games but MJ brushing it off and laughing in his face is killer lol

Yeah, MJ averaged 23.7 PPG on just 36.7% shooting over the last three games of the '96 finals.
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Post#689 » by Electric Slim » Mon May 11, 2020 3:17 am

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Post#690 » by Drygon » Mon May 11, 2020 3:21 am

MJ pushed his teammates to be better. LeBron pushed his teammates out of town to get better ones.
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Post#691 » by LKN » Mon May 11, 2020 3:25 am

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Post#692 » by Sedale Threatt » Mon May 11, 2020 3:25 am

Petergrifindor wrote:The ending of Episode 7 is the most revealing segment in the documentary, when they ask him if he thinks his intensity has come at a price of being a nice guy.

The man clearly explains why he is how he is, and he appears to be conscious that the same traits that propelled him to achieve the highest level anybody has achieved in basketball, also had a price. The other side of the coin, the "I have a competition problem", the thing that make him choke up at the end of the episode thinking he might not have been always a nice person. You can tell it bothers him.

But he couldn't help it or switch it off.

Anyway the guy is pure heart. He really couldn't have made it in other way. In the end we are who we are.


The only thing I don't like is the narrative about how effective and perhaps even necessary Jordan's savagery was.

Totally agreed that this is just who he was, and you can't argue with the results. He was one of the most talented athletes to ever play professional sports, and he got every last drop out of it.

And certainly, you're going to have to get on people as team leader. But being an @sshole is being an @sshole. You can be a hard-nosed, tough leader without belittling and emasculating people. So for me, despite all the success, that's definitely a black mark on his legacy. (And hey, every single player has them.)
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Post#693 » by Sedale Threatt » Mon May 11, 2020 3:26 am

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I don't know, what's his record in The Finals.
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Post#694 » by Petergrifindor » Mon May 11, 2020 3:27 am

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Post#695 » by LKN » Mon May 11, 2020 3:35 am

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Might be BS (didn't bother googling) might explain the eyes
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Post#696 » by Petergrifindor » Mon May 11, 2020 3:35 am

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The only thing I don't like is the narrative about how effective and perhaps even necessary Jordan's savagery was.


Yeah, it is not necessary. It is totally possible to lead with a softer approach.

But not for him. For him to loose that fire, he would need to have a total personal transformation, ala Mike Tyson. For most of us is almost imposible to completely erase our bad traits when they are that ingrained in our whole psyche, and we have to learn to live with them and just try to keep them somewhat under control.

His version of that might just be to truly regret and apologise after punching the little guy in the gym :lol:
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Post#700 » by LKN » Mon May 11, 2020 3:42 am

So this is actually real (if you look up the game on youtube this is the intro)

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