2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[WargamesX]

I think the Knicks tier list will be
1.Lamelo
2.Edwards
3.Hayes
4.Cole
5.Haliburton

Maybe take Wiseman use him to trade down if Lamelo and Edwards are gone.

I agree except I bet they have cole over hayes. possibly even over edwards because knicks

Cole has the most red flags on that entire list

[mpharris36]

if we get 2-4 and some team like the bulls suns or pistons win the lottery and lock in on lamelo, we should trade back. Would be better than reaching for cole at 2-4 imo. if we get 6-10 I'm fine with whichever of the players they draft there

why wouldn't we just pick Anthony Edwards in that scenario?

Actually that's a good point I'd still take him at 2. 3-4 though I'd trade back. assuming no lemelo or ae

I wouldn't be opposed to that. If we are picking 3...I would seriously consider a trade back for a team hungry for Wiseman (hopefully).

[mpharris36]

I think the Knicks tier list will be
1.Lamelo
2.Edwards
3.Hayes
4.Cole
5.Haliburton

Maybe take Wiseman use him to trade down if Lamelo and Edwards are gone.

I agree except I bet they have cole over hayes. possibly even over edwards because knicks

Cole has the most red flags on that entire list

He does but he has a couple things going for him. He is the son of a former knick, he is from NY, and went to big college. So the average fan is going to love the pick. If you are a new president and trying to make a well liked pick from the mass fan base. Cole would be it.

You would have more risk picking another overseas PG...or potentially picking a passive ball movement type PG in Haliburton. The avg fan is going to see Cole's dog mentality and want that.

[robillionaire]

why wouldn't we just pick Anthony Edwards in that scenario?

Actually that's a good point I'd still take him at 2. 3-4 though I'd trade back. assuming no lemelo or ae

I wouldn't be opposed to that. If we are picking 3...I would seriously consider a trade back for a team hungry for Wiseman (hopefully).

Same. If we could get a pick swap back into the mid-late lotto and add/or a 2021 asset that would be nice. Depending on how far back our pick swap takes us I'd go after Maxey or Hampton. Although I'm cooling on Hampton because I started following him on instagram and he acts like an idiot on there

[WargamesX]

I agree except I bet they have cole over hayes. possibly even over edwards because knicks

Cole has the most red flags on that entire list

He does but he has a couple things going for him. He is the son of a former knick, he is from NY, and went to big college. So the average fan is going to love the pick. If you are a new president and trying to make a well liked pick from the mass fan base. Cole would be it.

You would have more risk picking another overseas PG...or potentially picking a passive ball movement type PG in Haliburton. The avg fan is going to see Cole's dog mentality and want that.

If Cole busts and another PG picked after him doesn’t he’s going to lose his job just the same!

[Deeeez Knicks]

why wouldn't we just pick Anthony Edwards in that scenario?

Actually that's a good point I'd still take him at 2. 3-4 though I'd trade back. assuming no lemelo or ae

I wouldn't be opposed to that. If we are picking 3...I would seriously consider a trade back for a team hungry for Wiseman (hopefully).

Not sure if the Knicks are high on him, but I would take Hayes and be happy with that.

Moving down really depends on the deal or if its even an option...could be like the nfl draft where teams arent really interested in moving up in that range. It would have to be good value to move down, and not sure teams would give up a ton in that scenario

[malik959]

I really don't care much for hype machine Melo and I strongly believe he's more bust than any other player. At best he's a taller Trae Young, worst defender in the league at a position that is first line of defense. I see no point in trying to move up, our luck we always drop so why be hyped? I pray that we stay at 6th because it's actually a pretty good spot to be in, If we want to be safe we go for Haliburton. He fits perfect along side of RJ who I expect to continue to improve his shot. Haliburton would give us passing only Jason Kidd's given in the last 20 years.

If we want to go with scoring than we go with home grown. Cole, although not as great a passer as both Haliburton and Melo, he's the better scorer from all around the court. I do feel that he was held back due to the bad team he was and his assist numbers dropped due to the non talent around him. If he had went to a team like Kansas, Florida St, or even Kentucky we would be talking top five with him. Well Coach Calipari would have slowed him down and had more control over how he plays. Most of his negative lead to the bad team he was on.

Killian would be our project child. The player you have to be patient with. He would definitely come off the bench his first year and would have to fight for his spot where LaMelo, Haliburton, and Cole would more than likely start ( LaMelo because of his hype). His issues would be more on us for our patience with first rounders isn't very strong, otherwise he is everything we need in a guard, tall, strong, can see the court, has great form, a beautiful step back, great defense, can run the court....... If were looking to be in the lotto again next year than you take a chance on him. If your looking to improve your position moving towards playoffs you go with Haliburton/Cole.

But I'm more hyped when it comes to players who are looking to be with in the 10-20 range. players you either take on saliry to add an additional pick, trade up from 6th, or trade down from 27th. I'd prefer adding another pick:

Nico Mannion - He could be the best passing guard/ floor general in this draft. He can create for himself and others, great catch and shoot player, great court vision.

Aaron Nesmith - Possibly the best shooter, but doesn't slack off in any other area on the court. If we picked him we could put him at the 2 and slot RJ to the 3. He does a great job reading defenses in order to get in the best spots. His defense, although not great, is pretty solid where he wont hurt his team. Reminds me of Paul Pierce in many ways. Not saying he is as good, but he plays a lot like him.

Kira Lewis Jr. - a taller Speedy Claxton. Love seeing him operate in an open court similar to De'Aaron Fox, just without the defense.

RJ Hampton - Very crafty and can create for himself. Very Athletic, but like Melo, his size makes me question his work ethic. Defense needs a lot of work and also like Melo he does not play team defense.

Patrick Williams - I've said this before, he reminds me of Wilson Chandler, but better because he can handle the ball and unlike Chandler he's more confident. He's someone you can slot at either forward position and he's everything you want as a defensive big.

Jahmi'us Ramsey - 6'4 but plays like he's 6'7. I've only seen highlights, but if you watch his games he plays like a small forward. Can jump out the gym and is very active on both ends of the court. Very Marcus Smart like. Although he's more of a late draft early second Rd, I like this kid.

Saddiq Bey _ Bay is what I wanted with Mikal Bridges, your all around 3 and D player, just not as athletic.

Precious Achiuwa - Screams Jerami Grant. Needs to learn positioning, because he has skill to be a great defender but lacks the knowledge of where and when to be in certain positions such as for help defense, back cuts when the guards attack.....

My sleeper are:

Cassius Stanley - Man this kid is athletic. I do not see him falling to the second round, but if he did I would be pissed if we skipped twice on him. Although he can be reckless, he's everything I wish Dame would be. He's a smarter JR Smith or even Latrell Sprewell (one of my all time favorites so you can see why I like him).

Leandro Bolmaro - Oh man this kid is crafty. Similar to Doncic, but I feel he would take longer to even think about being at that level, but man does this man move.

If we could come out of this draft with either Haliburton/Cole, Pat Williams/Nesmith, Stanley/Bolmaro I would be a happy motherf......

Haliburton
Nesmith/Bolmaro
RJ
Wood
Mitch

Cole
Stanley
RJ
Williams
Mitch

[Jay10]

I agree except I bet they have cole over hayes. possibly even over edwards because knicks

Cole has the most red flags on that entire list

He does but he has a couple things going for him. He is the son of a former knick, he is from NY, and went to big college. So the average fan is going to love the pick. If you are a new president and trying to make a well liked pick from the mass fan base. Cole would be it.

You would have more risk picking another overseas PG...or potentially picking a passive ball movement type PG in Haliburton. The avg fan is going to see Cole's dog mentality and want that.

This is also what got Steve Mills fired.

Steve Mills started thinking like a fan and bringing in players to satisfy the fans instead of putting a winning product on the court. I'm convinced his thinking was, as long as i keep giving the fans what they want even though it's a horrible roster fit, it will help me keep this power.

The fans wanted the Knicks to draft Dennis Smith Jr, and the moment Steve Mills got the opportunity he traded for him. Knicks fans wanted the Knicks to draft Malik Monk, and a few months later it was reported by Kevin O'Connor that the Knicks were trying to acquire Malik Monk before they ended up trading Willy Hernangomez to the Hornets. Another example of Steve Mills thinking like a fan instead of a front office executive is the signing of Julius Randle, who everyone said would be a good fit next to Kristaps, and with Kristaps no longer being on the roster, Steve Mills still went out of his way to sign him.

[mpharris36]

Actually that's a good point I'd still take him at 2. 3-4 though I'd trade back. assuming no lemelo or ae

I wouldn't be opposed to that. If we are picking 3...I would seriously consider a trade back for a team hungry for Wiseman (hopefully).

Same. If we could get a pick swap back into the mid-late lotto and add/or a 2021 asset that would be nice. Depending on how far back our pick swap takes us I'd go after Maxey or Hampton. Although I'm cooling on Hampton because I started following him on instagram and he acts like an idiot on there

Here's the trade:

Knicks trade:
#3 pick (Wiseman)
Julius Randle
DSJ

Charlotte trades:
#8 (Hayes, Haliburotn, or Cole)
#32
Batum
2021 1st round pick top 3 protected (unprotected in 2022)
2022 2nd round pick (in the deep draft class)

Then we take the combination ofr #27 + #38 to move up and grab Jalen Smith in the lower 20's. Then with #32 Desmond Bane. So you add two good shooters to the roster along with a PG. You then have the hornets future pick which could be gold in potential big time draft classes.

[mpharris36]

Actually that's a good point I'd still take him at 2. 3-4 though I'd trade back. assuming no lemelo or ae

I wouldn't be opposed to that. If we are picking 3...I would seriously consider a trade back for a team hungry for Wiseman (hopefully).

Not sure if the Knicks are high on him, but I would take Hayes and be happy with that.

Moving down really depends on the deal or if its even an option...could be like the nfl draft where teams arent really interested in moving up in that range. It would have to be good value to move down, and not sure teams would give up a ton in that scenario

if there is no trade down option then and they have someone like Hayes that high you probably just pick him.

[mpharris36]

Cole has the most red flags on that entire list

He does but he has a couple things going for him. He is the son of a former knick, he is from NY, and went to big college. So the average fan is going to love the pick. If you are a new president and trying to make a well liked pick from the mass fan base. Cole would be it.

You would have more risk picking another overseas PG...or potentially picking a passive ball movement type PG in Haliburton. The avg fan is going to see Cole's dog mentality and want that.

This is also what got Steve Mills fired.

Steve Mills started thinking like a fan and bringing in players to satisfy the fans instead of putting a winning product on the court. I'm convinced his thinking was, as long as i keep giving the fans what they want even though it's a horrible roster fit, it will help me keep this power.

The fans wanted the Knicks to draft Dennis Smith Jr, and the moment Steve Mills got the opportunity he traded for him. Knicks fans wanted the Knicks to draft Malik Monk, and a few months later it was reported by Kevin O'Connor that the Knicks were trying to acquire Malik Monk before they ended up trading Willy Hernangomez to the Hornets. Another example of Steve Mills thinking like a fan instead of a front office execute is the signing of Julius Randle, who everyone said would be a good fit next to Kristaps, and with Kristaps no longer being on the roster, Steve Mills still went out of his way to sign him.

hey I'm with you.

[robillionaire]

I wouldn't be opposed to that. If we are picking 3...I would seriously consider a trade back for a team hungry for Wiseman (hopefully).

Same. If we could get a pick swap back into the mid-late lotto and add/or a 2021 asset that would be nice. Depending on how far back our pick swap takes us I'd go after Maxey or Hampton. Although I'm cooling on Hampton because I started following him on instagram and he acts like an idiot on there

Here's the trade:

Knicks trade:
#3 pick (Wiseman)
Julius Randle
DSJ

Charlotte trades:
#8 (Hayes, Haliburotn, or Cole)
#32
Batum
2021 1st round pick top 3 protected (unprotected in 2022)
2022 2nd round pick (in the deep draft class)

Then we take the combination ofr #27 + #38 to move up and grab Jalen Smith in the lower 20's. Then with #32 Desmond Bane. So you add two good shooters to the roster along with a PG. You then have the hornets future pick which could be gold in potential big time draft classes.

I'd do it. I don't know if they'd by willing to throw in both the 2022 2nd and the #32 though. they might say one or the other. either way I'd still bite. They could take both of those off the table and I'd still do it.

[Jay10]

He does but he has a couple things going for him. He is the son of a former knick, he is from NY, and went to big college. So the average fan is going to love the pick. If you are a new president and trying to make a well liked pick from the mass fan base. Cole would be it.

You would have more risk picking another overseas PG...or potentially picking a passive ball movement type PG in Haliburton. The avg fan is going to see Cole's dog mentality and want that.

This is also what got Steve Mills fired.

Steve Mills started thinking like a fan and bringing in players to satisfy the fans instead of putting a winning product on the court. I'm convinced his thinking was, as long as i keep giving the fans what they want even though it's a horrible roster fit, it will help me keep this power.

The fans wanted the Knicks to draft Dennis Smith Jr, and the moment Steve Mills got the opportunity he traded for him. Knicks fans wanted the Knicks to draft Malik Monk, and a few months later it was reported by Kevin O'Connor that the Knicks were trying to acquire Malik Monk before they ended up trading Willy Hernangomez to the Hornets. Another example of Steve Mills thinking like a fan instead of a front office execute is the signing of Julius Randle, who everyone said would be a good fit next to Kristaps, and with Kristaps no longer being on the roster, Steve Mills still went out of his way to sign him.

hey I'm with you.

It's always PR when it comes to the Knicks.

[robillionaire]

i strongly believe the knicks would reach for cole as high as 3rd and that scares me

[Deeeez Knicks]

There is no track record with Rose so hard to say what he values or looks for.

World Wide Wes might have a big say in our pick behind the scenes. He seems very intune with HS/College hoops but not sure how much he is involved with International Players. That might be where someone like Cole who was highly regarded in HS has an edge over an international player like Hayes or late bloomer/under the radar guy like Haliburton at least in the Knicks eye..or maybe they have seen enough where they are not sold on Cole. I am sure they are doing their Homework on Hayes and everyone else too.

Just some speculation..Wes working behind the scenes could have a lot of say

“Whether or not he takes it officially, he will be intimately involved with the Knicks,” the source said. “Rose has been his guy for 40 years.” Both Rose and Wesley are from South Jersey, Rose from Cherry Hill and Wesley from Camden.

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[mpharris36]

Same. If we could get a pick swap back into the mid-late lotto and add/or a 2021 asset that would be nice. Depending on how far back our pick swap takes us I'd go after Maxey or Hampton. Although I'm cooling on Hampton because I started following him on instagram and he acts like an idiot on there

Here's the trade:

Knicks trade:
#3 pick (Wiseman)
Julius Randle
DSJ

Charlotte trades:
#8 (Hayes, Haliburotn, or Cole)
#32
Batum
2021 1st round pick top 3 protected (unprotected in 2022)
2022 2nd round pick (in the deep draft class)

Then we take the combination ofr #27 + #38 to move up and grab Jalen Smith in the lower 20's. Then with #32 Desmond Bane. So you add two good shooters to the roster along with a PG. You then have the hornets future pick which could be gold in potential big time draft classes.

I'd do it. I don't know if they'd by willing to throw in both the 2022 2nd and the #32 though. they might say one or the other. either way I'd still bite

Sure one of the 2nds isn't a deal breaker.

My logic was Randle and DSJ for Batum should net us a 2nd rounder
The move from #3 to #8 should net us that 2021 1st rounder (and ideally an additional asset like a 2nd round pick).

Dallas just moved from #6 to #3 with a future first if we are moving to #8 I would use that trade as a barometer and ask for another future 2nd. Thats how I got 2 2nd round picks.

[Gravy]

I agree except I bet they have cole over hayes. possibly even over edwards because knicks

Cole has the most red flags on that entire list

He does but he has a couple things going for him. He is the son of a former knick, he is from NY, and went to big college. So the average fan is going to love the pick. If you are a new president and trying to make a well liked pick from the mass fan base. Cole would be it.

You would have more risk picking another overseas PG...or potentially picking a passive ball movement type PG in Haliburton. The avg fan is going to see Cole's dog mentality and want that.

I go back n forth between liking Cole or Hayes more. Yeah, Cole is probably who the Knicks feel is the safer pick.

[robillionaire]

here's a long hayes highlight reel for those who haven't watched a lot of him

Watch on YouTube

[robillionaire]

am I the only one who thinks hayes looks slow

[WargamesX]

There is no track record with Rose so hard to say what he values or looks for.

World Wide Wes might have a big say in our pick behind the scenes. He seems very intune with HS/College hoops but not sure how much he is involved with International Players. That might be where someone like Cole who was highly regarded in HS has an edge over an international player like Hayes or late bloomer/under the radar guy like Haliburton at least in the Knicks eye..or maybe they have seen enough where they are not sold on Cole. I am sure they are doing their Homework on Hayes and everyone else too.

Just some speculation..Wes working behind the scenes could have a lot of say

“Whether or not he takes it officially, he will be intimately involved with the Knicks,” the source said. “Rose has been his guy for 40 years.” Both Rose and Wesley are from South Jersey, Rose from Cherry Hill and Wesley from Camden.

Read on Twitter

I hope not, if anything I am surprised this isn’t a rumor or that he is going to draft someone CAA signed. This draft is so important and there are so many factors to it. It’s really hard to get a feel for where the knicks would go.