2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[RHODEY]

Fill in the blank type of statements when you are searching for actual skills to add in there. You can easily say Hayes has poor IQ because of his mistakes, he has some really questionable decision making. Yeah ok, we will see how two way he is when he has to defend guards in the NBA with actual elite skills and on top of that he's gotta actually be able to have a reliable offense to be considered 2 way. Playmaking? His assist to turnover ratio is not good at all. For all the knocks on Cole for his playmaking, Hayes is right there with him in terms of assist to turnover. So really what's Hayes elite skill set that separates him from the rest of the pack? He really has none. Cole is a much better shooter, a lot quicker and a lot more athletic than him. They are very close in terms of playmaking and Hayes is just as inconsistent on defense.

Simply put, Cole is a better player than Hayes

[WargamesX]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Killian Hayes Comps to 6'5 Kyle Lowry

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good Hayes video where he doesn't look slow. He's also not fast in these but you can see he isn't too slow to be a PG. I'll keep saying he looks like he can be a Kyle Lowry type of PG. Not fast but physically strong enough that if he drives opponents will look to avoid the contact. He looks strong and has all the needed skills you want from your PG.

Watch on YouTube

Ironically enough his height might work against him because Lowry usually attacks bigger players hips/midsection and tries to go under their arms to get to the hoop or knock them off balance. Killian would have to have an RJ mindset and be strong enough that defenders "bounce" off of him once he begins to go downhill towards the basket.

Basically getting Killian would line the knicks up to have a Derozan/Lowry Raptors type of backcourt going forward.

[RHODEY]

Another potential point guard stud with a Knicks connection is Anthony, the New York product and son of ex-NBAer Greg Anthony. Anthony’s freshman year was an injury-riddled disappointment on a mediocre North Carolina team, but he showed flashes.

Greenberg doesn’t believe Anthony will turn out as well as Bulls lottery pick and fellow UNC product Coby White.

“He’s a poor man’s Coby White,” Greenberg said. “I think he’s physically strong, he could be a good defender, but [b]he’s not a point guard. He’s a ball guard. He doesn’t see things very early, doesn’t have great natural vision. He’s an average-at-best shooter. His shot selection wasn’t good, but his team wasn’t good. It’s not like he has this dynamic playmaking ability.”

Greenberg continued the critique of the 19-year-old Anthony, who averaged 18.5 points on 38-percent shooting. “He’s got a good first step, but not great and he’s not a freak athlete,” Greenberg said. “I don’t think I’ve ever seen at any level great vision and he’s undersized.”[/b]

[HEZI]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Killian Hayes Comps to 6'5 Kyle Lowry

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good Hayes video where he doesn't look slow. He's also not fast in these but you can see he isn't too slow to be a PG. I'll keep saying he looks like he can be a Kyle Lowry type of PG. Not fast but physically strong enough that if he drives opponents will look to avoid the contact. He looks strong and has all the needed skills you want from your PG.

Watch on YouTube

Ironically enough his height might work against him because Lowry usually attacks bigger players hips/midsection and tries to go under their arms to get to the hoop or knock them off balance. Killian would have to have an RJ mindset and be strong enough that defenders "bounce" off of him once he begins to go downhill towards the basket.

Basically getting Killian would line the knicks up to have a Derozan/Lowry Raptors type of backcourt going forward.

Would be better off taking Cassius Winston with the 27th pick if we want somebody like Kyle Lowry. Winston is the closest player to Lowry that there is and has the same pedigree.

[HEZI]

Another potential point guard stud with a Knicks connection is Anthony, the New York product and son of ex-NBAer Greg Anthony. Anthony’s freshman year was an injury-riddled disappointment on a mediocre North Carolina team, but he showed flashes.

Greenberg doesn’t believe Anthony will turn out as well as Bulls lottery pick and fellow UNC product Coby White.

“He’s a poor man’s Coby White,” Greenberg said. “I think he’s physically strong, he could be a good defender, but [b]he’s not a point guard. He’s a ball guard. He doesn’t see things very early, doesn’t have great natural vision. He’s an average-at-best shooter. His shot selection wasn’t good, but his team wasn’t good. It’s not like he has this dynamic playmaking ability.”

Greenberg continued the critique of the 19-year-old Anthony, who averaged 18.5 points on 38-percent shooting. “He’s got a good first step, but not great and he’s not a freak athlete,” Greenberg said. “I don’t think I’ve ever seen at any level great vision and he’s undersized.”[/b]

[WargamesX]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Tyrese Haliburton Comps to 2011 Jason Kidd/2016 Shaun Livingston

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good video of what I expect Tyrese to bring each game. I expect early in his career he'll likely be a double/double threat scoring around 12-15 pts and tick upward in assists. However, like later career Kidd I could see that tipping up to him scoring around 18 pts a game and maybe 12+ assists especially as he gets stronger. This doesn't even take into consideration hockey assists where he sets up the pass around the perimeter.

A lot of his potential is that he isn't a drive first guard who will be asked to operate from the perimeter due to a lack of speed. He is already a perimeter PG whose game is based on him seeing the court from the perimeter and making quick decisions (that are usually the right ones), shooting the 3 pt if open and playing above average defense. Basically late-career Jason Kidd but the ability to do much more off ball. Some people may scoff at drafting that player but later career Jason Kidd was a championship PG and arguably the best PG the knicks had on the roster since the '90s at 40 years old.

Watch on YouTube

Now what makes Haliburton really interesting is his off ball profile. Especially once he gets a little stronger and can use his size to post up smaller guards. He's shown that he understands gravity in the half court, basically how even without the ball in his hands, where he is on the court affects the defense. He has a mid-range jumper, and unlike Kidd he can be a slasher in the half court and lead a transition play as both the ball handler and the scorer. If he gets size to post up other players to either pass out or shoot over the defender his off the ball upside is late-career Shaun Livingston.

Watch on YouTube

Basically getting Haliburton would be adding a player who should be able to stay on the court as a contributor both on and off the ball. He needs his shot to work, reliably but won't have to create for himself. The main thing is he has to get stronger. Hal in the backcourt would make the offense work a lot smoother I expect him to be a 7-10+ assist a night pg, but not be a ball dominant player while doing it. He could be really scary as the 3rd or 4th best player on the court. Especially considering the disruptive defense he would be playing all game.

[WargamesX]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Killian Hayes Comps to 6'5 Kyle Lowry

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good Hayes video where he doesn't look slow. He's also not fast in these but you can see he isn't too slow to be a PG. I'll keep saying he looks like he can be a Kyle Lowry type of PG. Not fast but physically strong enough that if he drives opponents will look to avoid the contact. He looks strong and has all the needed skills you want from your PG.

Watch on YouTube

Ironically enough his height might work against him because Lowry usually attacks bigger players hips/midsection and tries to go under their arms to get to the hoop or knock them off balance. Killian would have to have an RJ mindset and be strong enough that defenders "bounce" off of him once he begins to go downhill towards the basket.

Basically getting Killian would line the knicks up to have a Derozan/Lowry Raptors type of backcourt going forward.

Would be better off taking Cassius Winston with the 27th pick if we want somebody like Kyle Lowry. Winston is the closest player to Lowry that there is and has the same pedigree.

Its more like his game should be based on lowry. He's a shooter first, drive to the hoop second, good passer third PG, maybe 5 assists a game on avg. As I said he's too big to play exactly like Lowry, but his frame is made to get stronger. Also, a bigger Lowry is a beast. Lowry is 6'0 adding that size to him would make him a lot more difficult to contain.

[HEZI]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Killian Hayes Comps to 6'5 Kyle Lowry

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good Hayes video where he doesn't look slow. He's also not fast in these but you can see he isn't too slow to be a PG. I'll keep saying he looks like he can be a Kyle Lowry type of PG. Not fast but physically strong enough that if he drives opponents will look to avoid the contact. He looks strong and has all the needed skills you want from your PG.

Watch on YouTube

Ironically enough his height might work against him because Lowry usually attacks bigger players hips/midsection and tries to go under their arms to get to the hoop or knock them off balance. Killian would have to have an RJ mindset and be strong enough that defenders "bounce" off of him once he begins to go downhill towards the basket.

Basically getting Killian would line the knicks up to have a Derozan/Lowry Raptors type of backcourt going forward.

Would be better off taking Cassius Winston with the 27th pick if we want somebody like Kyle Lowry. Winston is the closest player to Lowry that there is and has the same pedigree.

Its more like his game should be based on lowry. He's a shooter first, drive to the hoop second, good passer third PG, maybe 5 assists a game on avg. As I said he's too big to play exactly like Lowry, but his frame is made to get stronger. Also, a bigger Lowry is a beast. Lowry is 6'0 adding that size to him would make him a lot more difficult to contain.

He's closer to Elie Okobo than Lowry

Watch on YouTube

Very similar release on the jumper but Okobo was a more efficient scorer and had a much better assist to turnover ratio and hasn't really proven to be anything more than a 3rd stringer in the NBA. Hayes is slightly bigger and slightly younger but he's going to fall into that type of Dante Exum category of high risk project pick. Even Kyle Lowry himself took years to finally establish himself in the league. I just don't see Hayes being worth the gamble for the Knicks. There are going to be better players than him available.

[HEZI]

Hayes won't beat Ntilikina for starters minutes next season so what's the point of drafting him? He might not even beat out DSJ and certainly not Elfrid Payton. Dude won't be getting burn as a lead guard for the Knicks, he aint ready for that type of pressure. Ntilikina is way more ready and experienced to handle what will be asked for from the starting lead guard next season.

Knicks aren't drafting Killian Hayes

[WargamesX]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Cole Anthony Comps to Jason Terry

Watch on YouTube

This is tougher to do due to the tape. Cole played PG at UNC and think that it was a mistake that hurt both them and him. He should have been SG and told to score and get his. He really only looks elite when you see him with the ball and then score on his defender in a variety of ways. Cole can pass the ball, but doesn't have the vision to see the plays for others. However, I do think he is an instant scorer in the NBA.

Watch on YouTube

Cole will be a legit NBA scorer, he has both a good overall shot, he's not scared of contact when driving, he's not slow. He can score off the dribble, score in transition, he can catch and shoot, and I am pretty sure he'll be able to stop in transition and shoot over defenders. The only real knock to his game is his height. SG's tend to be taller and PG's shorter. If Cole was 6'5 he and had a 6'8 wingspan he would be the 1st pick in this draft. Shorter SG's come with some inherent issues, he also doesn't have elite wingspan for his size like CJ McCollum (6'6). Cole, defense is underrated. If defending PG's he'll do alright.

Watch on YouTube

I see the appeal and the reasoning to comparing him to Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz has paired Donovan with PG's (and point forward Joe Ingles) and allowed him to focus on scoring. The rumors seem to indicate that the Knicks would be prepared to find a PG too. I mean you can see the reasoning that had them thinking CP3 could be traded for to come in and be Cole's backcourt partner. The issue is Cole isn't Donovan Mitchell. I just don't think Cole has Donovan's elite handle. or his elite athleticism. Its those two factors combined that allow Donovan to function at a high level when he's driving into traffic. That's why I have Cole pegged as Jason Terry. Who was actually an elite player in relation to his shooting and a Championship SG. I don't think Cole will be able to play through contact the way Donovan did early in his career and go to the bucket. He's going to be focused on shooting. I actually think it would be wise for him to try and get to his shooting spots faster and also try to outrun defenders on his way to the basket instead.

Also, the knicks would once again not have a PG, and need to find a stopgap or a permanent one later. Cole could maybe eventually play PG, but its a waste of his potential to ask him to focus on avg say 5 assists a game when he is built to be a scorer.

[WargamesX]

Hayes won't beat Ntilikina for starters minutes next season so what's the point of drafting him? He might not even beat out DSJ and certainly not Elfrid Payton. Dude won't be getting burn as a lead guard for the Knicks, he aint ready for that type of pressure. Ntilikina is way more ready and experienced to handle what will be asked for from the starting lead guard next season.

Knicks aren't drafting Killian Hayes

All these posts are my best case scenarios. There isn't a guy in this draft I feel is a sure thing. People compared Killian's ceiling to Harden, but Harden's handle and shot are elite and looked elite in college. Hayes should model his game after Lowry and focus on shooting first, and becoming a wrecking ball going towards the hoop. Plus his left-hand dominance will hinder his ability to get to any spot on the floor like Harden.

Also, Killian already plays more in control than Okobo, and is a better shooter with a quicker release. You are right about Killian being a project. I realize I said he needs to "be strong enough to have defenders bounce off of him" and it should have been "become strong enough to have defenders bounce off of him". He needs to work on his body, but he has the frame to become stronger.

[3toheadmelo]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Tyrese Haliburton Comps to 2011 Jason Kidd/2016 Shaun Livingston

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good video of what I expect Tyrese to bring each game. I expect early in his career he'll likely be a double/double threat scoring around 12-15 pts and tick upward in assists. However, like later career Kidd I could see that tipping up to him scoring around 18 pts a game and maybe 12+ assists especially as he gets stronger. This doesn't even take into consideration hockey assists where he sets up the pass around the perimeter.

A lot of his potential is that he isn't a drive first guard who will be asked to operate from the perimeter due to a lack of speed. He is already a perimeter PG whose game is based on him seeing the court from the perimeter and making quick decisions (that are usually the right ones), shooting the 3 pt if open and playing above average defense. Basically late-career Jason Kidd but the ability to do much more off ball. Some people may scoff at drafting that player but later career Jason Kidd was a championship PG and arguably the best PG the knicks had on the roster since the '90s at 40 years old.

Watch on YouTube

Now what makes Haliburton really interesting is his off ball profile. Especially once he gets a little stronger and can use his size to post up smaller guards. He's shown that he understands gravity in the half court, basically how even without the ball in his hands, where he is on the court affects the defense. He has a mid-range jumper, and unlike Kidd he can be a slasher in the half court and lead a transition play as both the ball handler and the scorer. If he gets size to post up other players to either pass out or shoot over the defender his off the ball upside is late-career Shaun Livingston.

Watch on YouTube

Basically getting Haliburton would be adding a player who should be able to stay on the court as a contributor both on and off the ball. He needs his shot to work, reliably but won't have to create for himself. The main thing is he has to get stronger. Hal in the backcourt would make the offense work a lot smoother I expect him to be a 7-10+ assist a night pg, but not be a ball dominant player while doing it. He could be really scary as the 3rd or 4th best player on the court. Especially considering the disruptive defense he would be playing all game.

I saw someone compare him to a modern day Shaun Livingston. Instead of killing dudes from the mid range he lightning them up from 3 lol

[WargamesX]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Tyrese Haliburton Comps to 2011 Jason Kidd/2016 Shaun Livingston

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good video of what I expect Tyrese to bring each game. I expect early in his career he'll likely be a double/double threat scoring around 12-15 pts and tick upward in assists. However, like later career Kidd I could see that tipping up to him scoring around 18 pts a game and maybe 12+ assists especially as he gets stronger. This doesn't even take into consideration hockey assists where he sets up the pass around the perimeter.

A lot of his potential is that he isn't a drive first guard who will be asked to operate from the perimeter due to a lack of speed. He is already a perimeter PG whose game is based on him seeing the court from the perimeter and making quick decisions (that are usually the right ones), shooting the 3 pt if open and playing above average defense. Basically late-career Jason Kidd but the ability to do much more off ball. Some people may scoff at drafting that player but later career Jason Kidd was a championship PG and arguably the best PG the knicks had on the roster since the '90s at 40 years old.

Watch on YouTube

Now what makes Haliburton really interesting is his off ball profile. Especially once he gets a little stronger and can use his size to post up smaller guards. He's shown that he understands gravity in the half court, basically how even without the ball in his hands, where he is on the court affects the defense. He has a mid-range jumper, and unlike Kidd he can be a slasher in the half court and lead a transition play as both the ball handler and the scorer. If he gets size to post up other players to either pass out or shoot over the defender his off the ball upside is late-career Shaun Livingston.

Watch on YouTube

Basically getting Haliburton would be adding a player who should be able to stay on the court as a contributor both on and off the ball. He needs his shot to work, reliably but won't have to create for himself. The main thing is he has to get stronger. Hal in the backcourt would make the offense work a lot smoother I expect him to be a 7-10+ assist a night pg, but not be a ball dominant player while doing it. He could be really scary as the 3rd or 4th best player on the court. Especially considering the disruptive defense he would be playing all game.

I saw someone compare him to a modern day Shaun Livingston. Instead of killing dudes from the mid range he lightning them up from 3 lol

Yeah watching Haliburton is weird because he has this high skill, high BBIQ game you associate with players later in their career.

Read on Twitter

Like look at that, ball fake to get Kira to bite so he can get the open shot. That is something vets in the NBA are not situationally aware enough or slick enough to pull. He does stuff like that all the time using his eyes and ball fakes like a QB to direct the defense. They say he has elite passing, but it’s really elite BBIQ and feel for the game.

[robillionaire]

We missed out on one athletic NY born guard, I'd hate to miss out on another just because people say he's not a big time passer.

Im more afraid of missing out on a high IQ, two way, playmaking point guard. He could be born on Mars, it wouldnt make difference to me. Ball guards like Cole Anthony's are common...heck-we already have one one our team ...(DSJ).

So really what's Hayes elite skill set that separates him from the rest of the pack? He really has none.

This is my impression from watching him. My first instinct is to say he looks like he has the fundamentals of the game down, but his turnover rate is very high averages more turnovers per 36 than any of the other top PGs and you never see those in highlight reels. Then I'd want to praise his shooting but he shot 29% from 3 in his 33 games last year and also attempted the least amount of 3s of the other prospects which tells me his shot might still lack confidence. Then you have his lack of burst and athleticism which doesn't pass the eye test, and his reported ability to finish with only one hand (same hand as RJ but maybe calling questions into the fit), average looking handle, nothing special. There are positives, first off he's young so there's potential for a big improvement, his shooting form and touch and high FT% leading me to believe he would translate as a good shooter in the future (although this hasn't been the case with frank for example and he also is a good FT shooter with a nice form) he is crafty with the ball getting where he wants to go, makes a lot of smart reads and passes. Scouted as an average defender which you'll take from a rookie but obviously won't be on the level of frank or haliburton.

All that said I'd be content and optimistic if we land him 6-10 and I think he has potential to be a really good all around player, no way I'd take him top 2 and 3-4 feels like a reach. I don't expect him to be very good next year and might not start at PG year 1, probably at least a year away if not more. Agree that frank will be better next year and would start over him if he were on this team.

[knickstape21]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Tyrese Haliburton Comps to 2011 Jason Kidd/2016 Shaun Livingston

Watch on YouTube

Here's a pretty good video of what I expect Tyrese to bring each game. I expect early in his career he'll likely be a double/double threat scoring around 12-15 pts and tick upward in assists. However, like later career Kidd I could see that tipping up to him scoring around 18 pts a game and maybe 12+ assists especially as he gets stronger. This doesn't even take into consideration hockey assists where he sets up the pass around the perimeter.

A lot of his potential is that he isn't a drive first guard who will be asked to operate from the perimeter due to a lack of speed. He is already a perimeter PG whose game is based on him seeing the court from the perimeter and making quick decisions (that are usually the right ones), shooting the 3 pt if open and playing above average defense. Basically late-career Jason Kidd but the ability to do much more off ball. Some people may scoff at drafting that player but later career Jason Kidd was a championship PG and arguably the best PG the knicks had on the roster since the '90s at 40 years old.

Watch on YouTube

Now what makes Haliburton really interesting is his off ball profile. Especially once he gets a little stronger and can use his size to post up smaller guards. He's shown that he understands gravity in the half court, basically how even without the ball in his hands, where he is on the court affects the defense. He has a mid-range jumper, and unlike Kidd he can be a slasher in the half court and lead a transition play as both the ball handler and the scorer. If he gets size to post up other players to either pass out or shoot over the defender his off the ball upside is late-career Shaun Livingston.

Watch on YouTube

Basically getting Haliburton would be adding a player who should be able to stay on the court as a contributor both on and off the ball. He needs his shot to work, reliably but won't have to create for himself. The main thing is he has to get stronger. Hal in the backcourt would make the offense work a lot smoother I expect him to be a 7-10+ assist a night pg, but not be a ball dominant player while doing it. He could be really scary as the 3rd or 4th best player on the court. Especially considering the disruptive defense he would be playing all game.

I saw someone compare him to a modern day Shaun Livingston. Instead of killing dudes from the mid range he lightning them up from 3 lol

Yeah watching Haliburton is weird because he has this high skill, high BBIQ game you associate with players later in their career.

Read on Twitter

Like look at that, ball fake to get Kira to bite so he can get the open shot. That is something vets in the NBA are not situationally aware enough or slick enough to pull. He does stuff like that all the time using his eyes and ball fakes like a QB to direct the defense. They say he has elite passing, but it’s really elite BBIQ and feel for the game.

Lol Lewis gambled there. Literally nothing even remotely special about that play.

[thebuzzardman]

It all depends on the belief in Haliburtons scoring ability on the next level. There are many reasons to like Haliburton and be high on him so I can see the rationale behind selecting him.

I can as well. I think he is a safe pick. He can shoot, he can defend, he can run an offense.

But his upside is limtied since he is not a dynamic playmaker or athlete and he has a non exhistant mid range game.

Can he be a guy that late in a game he either can get a shot for himself or for teamates consistently? If not then he can't be a #1 option of your offense.

I don't get why a guy like Hayes is given room and time to improve and is worth the gamble but Haliburton is treated as a finished product. The vibe I get from Haliburton is that he's a gym rat and really it's hard to even put a ceiling on him years down the road. His potential is actually higher than Hayes since he's coming into the league with more polished skills and the age difference is just over 1 year. The only reason you say Haliburton is a safe pick is because you feel confident in his ability to step on the NBA court and provide some impact from day 1 but at the end of the day he's still going to be a young rookie with a bunch of improving left.

You are pointing out a fact people sometimes ignore or downplay. Other than 1 or 2 guys a draft, most of these guys are so young it's going to take a few years anyway. 90% of them are "projects" to some degree or another.

[knickstape21]

Watch on YouTube

THIS is the lead guard we should be talking about, but carry on...

[3toheadmelo]

I can as well. I think he is a safe pick. He can shoot, he can defend, he can run an offense.

But his upside is limtied since he is not a dynamic playmaker or athlete and he has a non exhistant mid range game.

Can he be a guy that late in a game he either can get a shot for himself or for teamates consistently? If not then he can't be a #1 option of your offense.

I don't get why a guy like Hayes is given room and time to improve and is worth the gamble but Haliburton is treated as a finished product. The vibe I get from Haliburton is that he's a gym rat and really it's hard to even put a ceiling on him years down the road. His potential is actually higher than Hayes since he's coming into the league with more polished skills and the age difference is just over 1 year. The only reason you say Haliburton is a safe pick is because you feel confident in his ability to step on the NBA court and provide some impact from day 1 but at the end of the day he's still going to be a young rookie with a bunch of improving left.

You are pointing out a fact people sometimes ignore or downplay. Other than 1 or 2 guys a draft, most of these guys are so young it's going to take a few years anyway. 90% of them are "projects" to some degree or another.

Sometimes the “safe” player ends up being the one with the most upside. A lot of people compared Tatum to Tobias Harris/Hayward and said he would be a 3rd option at best.

SGA is another guy that wasn’t believed to have a lot of upside as well.

So with that being said, I wouldn’t limit Haliburton to just a “safe” role player. Ironically, he is compared to SGA quite often.

[robillionaire]

I don't get why a guy like Hayes is given room and time to improve and is worth the gamble but Haliburton is treated as a finished product. The vibe I get from Haliburton is that he's a gym rat and really it's hard to even put a ceiling on him years down the road. His potential is actually higher than Hayes since he's coming into the league with more polished skills and the age difference is just over 1 year. The only reason you say Haliburton is a safe pick is because you feel confident in his ability to step on the NBA court and provide some impact from day 1 but at the end of the day he's still going to be a young rookie with a bunch of improving left.

You are pointing out a fact people sometimes ignore or downplay. Other than 1 or 2 guys a draft, most of these guys are so young it's going to take a few years anyway. 90% of them are "projects" to some degree or another.

Sometimes the “safe” player ends up being the one with the most upside. A lot of people compared Tatum to Tobias Harris/Hayward and said he would be a 3rd option at best.

SGA is another guy that wasn’t believed to have a lot of upside as well.

So with that being said, I wouldn’t limit Haliburton to just a “safe” role player. Ironically, he is compared to SGA quite often.

The tatum comparison i heard the most was carmelo anthony but not in a good way

[3toheadmelo]

You are pointing out a fact people sometimes ignore or downplay. Other than 1 or 2 guys a draft, most of these guys are so young it's going to take a few years anyway. 90% of them are "projects" to some degree or another.

Sometimes the “safe” player ends up being the one with the most upside. A lot of people compared Tatum to Tobias Harris/Hayward and said he would be a 3rd option at best.

SGA is another guy that wasn’t believed to have a lot of upside as well.

So with that being said, I wouldn’t limit Haliburton to just a “safe” role player. Ironically, he is compared to SGA quite often.

The tatum comparison i heard the most was carmelo anthony but not in a good way

Yeah that one came from Knicks fans mostly. I was just speaking on the consensus of him outside of Knicks fans.