ATL - Season Resumes page 87

[MickeyDavis]

Personally I think it's silly to bring the sure lotto teams back for a few games. That just doesn't make sense on a few levels. Hell leaving just the bottom 5 teams in each conference home reduces the total number of people involved in this by 1/3. That alone makes the whole operation easier.

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The thing that sucks is the West 8-11 is pretty bunched together. Add in that the Pelicans are 3.5 back and the NBA probably wants to have at least be able to dream about Zion/Lebron. You could eliminate the bottom four teams and have a 4 team play-in for the final spot over 2 days. It complicates things but you would get a lot of eye-balls with Zion playing in back to back elimination games to make the playoffs. You can say its fair for teams who might've made the playoffs if the season would've played out.

Yeah that will be interesting. Bucks are locked into #1 in the East and overall #1 vs. Lakers doesn't matter with no home court. But there are some other teams bunched up.

[DingleJerry]

If the season ends right now, we have a champion.

Yeah, a regular season champion. Hang a banner. Big deal.

Which would be worse, the brewers wild card banner or a regular season banner?

Also, yes I think players would agree to the playoffs in a bubble thing with some isolation in exchange for millions and millions of dollars. I assume they'll be able to bring their core family with, but even not I think they'd do it for the money. Some road trips can be 10ish days in the regular season as is. Only 4 teams would be away much longer than that.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Michele Roberts can't remember when she first heard about the "bubble," the idea of isolating NBA players in a hotel so the league could resume its season amid the coronavirus pandemic. But she remembers her reaction to it vividly. "Are we going to arm guards around the hotel?" Roberts wondered. "That sounds like incarceration to me."

The hypothetical also didn't sit well with her constituents, the NBA's players. The players were like, 'Well, I don't know that it's worth it to be away from my family for that long,'" Roberts said. "We could do all that, and then what happens when one or two or 10 players test positive after that 28-day isolation? Do we shut it down?"

Roberts was ready to argue these points had the NBA or its owners pressed players to accept such terms. But it never came to that because NBA commissioner Adam Silver was hearing the same concerns from players as Roberts was, and relaying them to the owners he represents.

It's unclear if the NBA is any closer to resuming its season than it was when it first shut down. But one thing has changed -- the growing acceptance that if and when the NBA does resume, it will be in a world where the risk of contracting COVID-19 is ever-present.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29146819/nba-facilities-reopening-season-closer

[WeekapaugGroove]

Michele Roberts can't remember when she first heard about the "bubble," the idea of isolating NBA players in a hotel so the league could resume its season amid the coronavirus pandemic. But she remembers her reaction to it vividly. "Are we going to arm guards around the hotel?" Roberts wondered. "That sounds like incarceration to me."

The hypothetical also didn't sit well with her constituents, the NBA's players. The players were like, 'Well, I don't know that it's worth it to be away from my family for that long,'" Roberts said. "We could do all that, and then what happens when one or two or 10 players test positive after that 28-day isolation? Do we shut it down?"

Roberts was ready to argue these points had the NBA or its owners pressed players to accept such terms. But it never came to that because NBA commissioner Adam Silver was hearing the same concerns from players as Roberts was, and relaying them to the owners he represents.

It's unclear if the NBA is any closer to resuming its season than it was when it first shut down. But one thing has changed -- the growing acceptance that if and when the NBA does resume, it will be in a world where the risk of contracting COVID-19 is ever-present.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29146819/nba-facilities-reopening-season-closer

Using incarceration as an analogy for something that you would both volunteer to do and get paid for is both ridiculous and insulting.

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Michele Roberts can't remember when she first heard about the "bubble," the idea of isolating NBA players in a hotel so the league could resume its season amid the coronavirus pandemic. But she remembers her reaction to it vividly. "Are we going to arm guards around the hotel?" Roberts wondered. "That sounds like incarceration to me."

The hypothetical also didn't sit well with her constituents, the NBA's players. The players were like, 'Well, I don't know that it's worth it to be away from my family for that long,'" Roberts said. "We could do all that, and then what happens when one or two or 10 players test positive after that 28-day isolation? Do we shut it down?"

Roberts was ready to argue these points had the NBA or its owners pressed players to accept such terms. But it never came to that because NBA commissioner Adam Silver was hearing the same concerns from players as Roberts was, and relaying them to the owners he represents.

It's unclear if the NBA is any closer to resuming its season than it was when it first shut down. But one thing has changed -- the growing acceptance that if and when the NBA does resume, it will be in a world where the risk of contracting COVID-19 is ever-present.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29146819/nba-facilities-reopening-season-closer

Not to nit pick on players because I'm the same way, but it's like the article is trying to have it both ways about how horrible it would be to be quarantined but then also saying they don't want to risk getting sick? If you are concerned about your families safety and avoiding getting this, being locked down in a controlled setting with your family in luxury suites isn't the worst place to be in the world. The same scenario will be played out at home for these players Either you quarantine at your home or you venture out and risk getting sick.

I'm a hypocrite to as I've been against my employer opening up the office but yet I still ventured out a few times to McDonalds and Menards.

[MickeyDavis]

Yeah that's dumb. We're going to "incarcerate" you for a couple of months in a luxurious suite and pay you a ton of money. I understand posturing and negotiating but that's weak sauce.

[emunney]

Michele Roberts can't remember when she first heard about the "bubble," the idea of isolating NBA players in a hotel so the league could resume its season amid the coronavirus pandemic. But she remembers her reaction to it vividly. "Are we going to arm guards around the hotel?" Roberts wondered. "That sounds like incarceration to me."

The hypothetical also didn't sit well with her constituents, the NBA's players. The players were like, 'Well, I don't know that it's worth it to be away from my family for that long,'" Roberts said. "We could do all that, and then what happens when one or two or 10 players test positive after that 28-day isolation? Do we shut it down?"

Roberts was ready to argue these points had the NBA or its owners pressed players to accept such terms. But it never came to that because NBA commissioner Adam Silver was hearing the same concerns from players as Roberts was, and relaying them to the owners he represents.

It's unclear if the NBA is any closer to resuming its season than it was when it first shut down. But one thing has changed -- the growing acceptance that if and when the NBA does resume, it will be in a world where the risk of contracting COVID-19 is ever-present.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29146819/nba-facilities-reopening-season-closer

Using incarceration as an analogy for something that you would both volunteer to do and get paid for is both ridiculous and insulting.

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I get the knee-jerk response but does it need to be vocalized? Anything you're free to leave at any time is not imprisonment, seems like a pretty clear line.

[emunney]

[Ron Swanson]

That's about as tone-deaf as Adrian Peterson's "modern day slavery" comment. C'mon, Michelle.

[DingleJerry]

Yeah that's dumb. We're going to "incarcerate" you for a couple of months in a luxurious suite and pay you a ton of money. I understand posturing and negotiating but that's weak sauce.

And really they're being quarantined now too with their family or whoever is close to them. The only difference is your circle would now expand to the other players and few workers. Essentially, you'd be less quarantined than you are right now. Just in a different location than your home.

[WRau1]

The UFC and pro wrestling organizations are already using 1,000s of tests without any uproar, I doubt that will be an issue for the NBA.

[jakecronus8]

The UFC and pro wrestling organizations are already using 1,000s of tests without any uproar, I doubt that will be an issue for the NBA.

It’s a little different than that. For a UfC event they’re tested before and day of and you’re talking a handful of fighters.

With wwe (at least for their weekly tv), I believe the talents are tested on the day of the tapings and they record multiple tv tapings at one time.

With the nba you’re talking 450 players or so not to mention the other essential staff and tv production crews that are all tested daily. That’s a huge disparity

[paulpressey25]

Tests--not an issue. NBA has done the math. They need 15,000 total tests to finish season/playoffs

Test kit production continues at an exponential growth pace. Roche alone is producing 500,000 per day. And the whole point of this massively increasing test capacity is to allow business to resume (which includes the NBA).

To Marty's point on the bubble or campus as Silver will call it. Disney is perfect. Bring the family and put them all up there.

The only remote issue that is legit is whether or not some random service worker or player in the bubble somehow breaks containment and brings Covid back into Disney. That's plausible. But my guess is that Disney campus would be safer than literally any other workplace or town in America. I'd have zero issues going there to work for three months.

[WRau1]

The UFC and pro wrestling organizations are already using 1,000s of tests without any uproar, I doubt that will be an issue for the NBA.

It’s a little different than that. For a UfC event they’re tested before and day of and you’re talking a handful of fighters.

With wwe (at least for their weekly tv), I believe the talents are tested on the day of the tapings and they record multiple tv tapings at one time.

With the nba you’re talking 450 players or so not to mention the other essential staff and tv production crews that are all tested daily. That’s a huge disparity

UFC did 1200 tests in one week.

[emunney]

Tests--not an issue. NBA has done the math. They need 15,000 total tests to finish season/playoffs

Test kit production continues at an exponential growth pace. Roche alone is producing 500,000 per day. And the whole point of this massively increasing test capacity is to allow business to resume (which includes the NBA).

To Marty's point on the bubble or campus as Silver will call it. Disney is perfect. Bring the family and put them all up there.

The only remote issue that is legit is whether or not some random service worker or player in the bubble somehow breaks containment and brings Covid back into Disney. That's plausible. But my guess is that Disney campus would be safer than literally any other workplace or town in America. I'd have zero issues going there to work for three months.

If anybody knows how to sanitize everything, it's Disney.

[jakecronus8]

The UFC and pro wrestling organizations are already using 1,000s of tests without any uproar, I doubt that will be an issue for the NBA.

It’s a little different than that. For a UfC event they’re tested before and day of and you’re talking a handful of fighters.

With wwe (at least for their weekly tv), I believe the talents are tested on the day of the tapings and they record multiple tv tapings at one time.

With the nba you’re talking 450 players or so not to mention the other essential staff and tv production crews that are all tested daily. That’s a huge disparity

UFC did 1200 tests in one week.

Fair enough. But there’s still a huge disparity. If a team has say 30 total players/staff/essential workers (and that’s a conservative number) plus say 30 total staff workers to run the game day ops (again conservative) and we’re just talking playoffs that’s around 3600 tests per week.

[paulpressey25]

Yeah that's dumb. We're going to "incarcerate" you for a couple of months in a luxurious suite and pay you a ton of money. I understand posturing and negotiating but that's weak sauce.

The MLB player coming out against playing this morning was a fascinating case study. Completely support his right not to participate for personal health concerns. Wouldn't even criticize Blake Snell for making this particular health decision, as it is defensible.

But he also just signed a 5-year/$50 million extension last year. If MLB doesn't figure out how to bring in some revenue, there is no money to pay him. And in the end, the players decided long ago to be part of a union. So if the players union agrees to some resumption of games, he's bound by whatever is negotiated.

Of course that last sentence might hold a clue to what's really going on here. He might be helping the union posture for a better deal.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Yeah that's dumb. We're going to "incarcerate" you for a couple of months in a luxurious suite and pay you a ton of money. I understand posturing and negotiating but that's weak sauce.

The MLB player coming out against playing this morning was a fascinating case study. Completely support his right not to participate for personal health concerns. Wouldn't even criticize Blake Snell for making this particular health decision, as it is defensible.

But he also just signed a 5-year/$50 million extension last year. If MLB doesn't figure out how to bring in some revenue, there is no money to pay him. And in the end, the players decided long ago to be part of a union. So if the players union agrees to some resumption of games, he's bound by whatever is negotiated.

Of course that last sentence might hold a clue to what's really going on here. He might be helping the union posture for a better deal.

Snell's comment seemed really tone-deaf and just a negotiation tactic. Oh I wouldn't play for a portion of my $7m, its not worth it........But if I'm getting paid my full salary then we can talk.
"‘I gotta get my money. I’m not playing unless I get mine, okay?'"
What kind of health risk is a deal-breaker at $3m but suddenly an acceptable risk at $7m?

[DingleJerry]

For a pitcher I get the difference. You don't have normal prep with spring training and frankly his future earning are ruined with an arm injury. So the breaking point of pitching to be worth the risk of arm injury to him could easily be "not worth it at 2 mil". I'd rather punt the 2 mil now to keep my arm healthy for a future 80 mil payday. A position player I can't see at all in baseball.

And his line about playing for his life is totally tone deaf, no way around that. His overall point on risking it for that money is legit though. He just phrased poorly and it made it sound like playing baseball for 3 mil isn't worth it. he's saying the risk of arm injury (increased due to the situation) isn't worth it at this lower price when he could wait until things are back to normal and get the full money later and be less likely to hurt his chances for his next contract. Essentially, it's the same argument we've all said on Giannis playing in the Olympics for free.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Snell was a little all over the place but I took it as him having an issue with the prorated amount being cut down even more with baseball owners proposal. That aspect I do understand why the players would take issue.

Andrew Brandt had a good comment on that.

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