2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[moocow007]

It'll be interesting to see whether the FO values facilitating or scoring in a PG. need another scorer to pair with RJ.

I'm still holding out hope we land top-2 and get 1 of Ball or Edwards

Why not a blend of both?

That would be Ball, maybe Hayes (tho he doesn't project to be a big-time scorer)

Haliburton is a facilitator/spot-shooter rather than a scorer

Cole is a scorer but not an advanced facilitator

That is correct. The player that would address the most needs for the Knicks is LaMelo Ball.

Yes, yes, he doesn't shoot 3's. That's not the end-all-be-all of everything. A lot of guys in this draft that can shoot can't do most of anything that Ball can.

[Fat]

My concerns w/ Haliburton are:
1) he doesn't get to the rim much
2) has a very low release on his 3PT shot (FT's and mid-range are fine, much higher release, just the 3PTer); against bigger, faster NBA players, it'll be harder to get the shot off
3) limited ability to create his own shot (most of his 3's were spotting up)

Valid concerns but I wouldn’t expect him to be a scorer for the Knicks especially playing next to RJ. he will probably play more of an off ball role as a shooter but also be a facilitator

It’s like Having Pablo prigioni reborn in a more athletic body with enhanced features

It'll be interesting to see whether the FO values facilitating or scoring in a PG. need another scorer to pair with RJ.

I'm still holding out hope we land top-2 and get 1 of Ball or Edwards

They need to be valuing all things. We were trash at three point shooting, trash at free throw shooting, still trash at defense but better than other years, trash creating efficient shots.. The only thing we actually looked good at was crashing the boards and paint scoring.

Hailburtons 3 point shooting, defense, passing the Knicks could use

Cole Anthony’s scoring and shot making ability the Knicks could use

Lamelos shot creating & elite playmaking The Knicks could use

Hayes gives you a mixture of everything with playmaking probably being his strongest strength right now.

They all have areas they excel at the Knicks could use it’s not that deep to me I’m comfortable with them all I’m just waiting for the draft lol.

[Fat]

Why not a blend of both?

That would be Ball, maybe Hayes (tho he doesn't project to be a big-time scorer)

Haliburton is a facilitator/spot-shooter rather than a scorer

Cole is a scorer but not an advanced facilitator

That is correct. The player that would address the most needs for the Knicks is LaMelo Ball.

Yes, yes, he doesn't shoot 3's. That's not the end-all-be-all of everything. A lot of guys in this draft that can shoot can't do most of anything that Ball can.

I agree with that lamelo is the one that changes the dynamic of the Knicks the most or at least has the most potential too even if he’s not the shooter we are looking for right now. That ability to Effortlessly shot create for himself as Well as others and size at point guard is what separates him from the pack. Once the shot starts falling at a more efficient % your looking at a potential star

[robillionaire]

Why not a blend of both?

That would be Ball, maybe Hayes (tho he doesn't project to be a big-time scorer)

Haliburton is a facilitator/spot-shooter rather than a scorer

Cole is a scorer but not an advanced facilitator

That is correct. The player that would address the most needs for the Knicks is LaMelo Ball.

Yes, yes, he doesn't shoot 3's. That's not the end-all-be-all of everything. A lot of guys in this draft that can shoot can't do most of anything that Ball can.

he actually shoots a metric phuckton of 3s, the issue people have is the rate at which he was making them

he will be fine and gunning like crazy once our mystery coach reels him in a little bit and has him working on his shot selection, his percentages were already starting to come up before the injury

Watch on YouTube

[moocow007]

That would be Ball, maybe Hayes (tho he doesn't project to be a big-time scorer)

Haliburton is a facilitator/spot-shooter rather than a scorer

Cole is a scorer but not an advanced facilitator

That is correct. The player that would address the most needs for the Knicks is LaMelo Ball.

Yes, yes, he doesn't shoot 3's. That's not the end-all-be-all of everything. A lot of guys in this draft that can shoot can't do most of anything that Ball can.

he actually shoots a metric phuckton of 3s, the issue people have is the rate at which he was making them

he will be fine and gunning like crazy once our mystery coach reels him in a little bit and has him working on his shot selection, his percentages were already starting to come up before the injury

Watch on YouTube

Yeah I think he'll be fine. He may never be Steph Curry with the 3 but I'm pretty confident that he'll improve enough so that at least it's something that he can do well enough to not be a detriment. If Lonzo can fix his odd shot, I strongly believe that LaMelo can as well. These guys may be cocky and arrogant, but they aren't stupid. They know what they have to do to keep talking the talk and walking the walk that they want. And shooting better will obviously be a big part of that once they hit the NBA.

[blueNorange]

lamelo's biggest issue isn't that he's trash in the mold of the brandon jennings, it's that his father is lavar ball and lamelo isn't good enough to take the risk.

last thing we need is lavar saying "if lamelo had the ball in his hands instead of rj, knicks win" quotes.

[moocow007]

lamelo's biggest issue isn't that he's trash in the mold of the brandon jennings, it's that his father is lavar ball and lamelo isn't good enough to take the risk.

last thing we need is lavar saying "if lamelo had the ball in his hands instead of rj, knicks win" quotes.

LaMelo Ball is clearly the best PG in this draft and is the one player that has the skills to make this team better. So not sure what 'isn't good enough to take the risk' you're talking about. Every single player has risk. What magical player should the Knicks be taking instead? Tyrese Haliburton? Should they go after another 'good guy' like a Frank Ntilikina type?

[bleedblue3303]

lamelo's biggest issue isn't that he's trash in the mold of the brandon jennings, it's that his father is lavar ball and lamelo isn't good enough to take the risk.

last thing we need is lavar saying "if lamelo had the ball in his hands instead of rj, knicks win" quotes.

I actually think Brandon Jennings should have been drafted by us. He would have thrived in the Dantoni offense. To this day, I do not understand for the life of me why we took Jordan Hill over him.

And before you say Jennings is trash. He had a trillion times more potential than Jeremy Lin. And look how good Lin looked in the offense.

[aggo]

#1 pgs in any draft dont have broken shots.





Markelle Fultz with a broken shoulder and mental block has a better shot than Ball.

Have you seen Lonzo Ball's shot? He was the #1 PG in his draft.

Watch on YouTube

In case anyone is curious about what exactly was "wrong" with Lonzo's shot

Watch on YouTube

yeah

and it took Lonzo 4 years to fix his shot. in addition to being traded to a small market and basically being threatened with being out of the league after his rookie contract.

I honestly dont think people realize had Lonzo not fixed his 3pt shot how close this guy was to getting kicked to the curb by the league.

[aggo]

#1 pgs in any draft dont have broken shots.





Markelle Fultz with a broken shoulder and mental block has a better shot than Ball.

ben simmons
derrick rose

big difference between guys that can't shoot

and

guys that have broken shots


rose and Simmons can't shoot. but they also had other massive insane skills the tmade them elite players. Simmons has size and ability to finish. Rose has electric speed.


Lamelo's massive insane skill is his commitment to defense LMFAO.

[aggo]

How many games do you think any NBA team can win when

3 of 5 starting positions

play 30mpg (C, RJ, Ball) and shoot less than 30% from three ???

[WargamesX]

How many games do you think any NBA team can win when

3 of 5 starting positions

play 30mpg (C, RJ, Ball) and shoot less than 30% from three ???

Cade Cunningham here we come

[HEZI]

Lonzo had a weird looking jumper but he was still a better and more accurate shooter than Lamelo. Lonzo shot 41% on over 5 attempts a game at UCLA and the dude had some deep range too.

Problem with Lamelo isn't just his shot mechanics but he shoots a lot of bricks in the process

[HarthorneWingo]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2892693-nba-exec-knicks-on-the-right-track-if-they-draft-tyrese-haliburton-in-round-1

The New York Knicks need a long-term solution at point guard, and Iowa State's Tyrese Haliburton could be the answer, an unnamed NBA executive told Marc Berman of the New York Post.

"I think the Knicks are on the right track if they take him at six," the executive told Berman.

The Knicks' final first-round spot won't be decided until after the draft lottery, but they currently have the NBA's sixth-worst record.

Haliburton checks off a lot of boxes.

The 6'5" floor general fills out the stat sheet as evidenced by his 15.2 points, 6.5 assists and 5.9 assists per game as a sophomore.

Berman also spoke with an unnamed scout who provided the following report:

"I'm a fan of Haliburton. I thought he really knew how to play. He has great height for the position and exceptional length. However, he is very thin. He also has to fix his shot because of a low release point. But he has touch and can shoot from distance.

"He has knowledge and ability to defend but needs to add strength. He leads and competes. He's a very good prospect. Physicality is a question but otherwise one of the better and more mature guards in a weak draft."

For his part, Haliburton would appear to be up for the challenge of playing in Madison Square Garden, speaking with ESPN's Rachel Nichols about it on The Jump:

“Being in New York, they always talk about the pressure of being a Knick," Haliburton said (h/t Berman). "I feel like no matter where I go, the pressure I put on myself is more than I'll get from anywhere. No matter where I'm at, that pressure is prominent and it will be more from me. I'm ready to play anywhere."

[robillionaire]

How many games do you think any NBA team can win when

3 of 5 starting positions

play 30mpg (C, RJ, Ball) and shoot less than 30% from three ???

RJ shot 32% as a rookie and we hope he will put in the work to get that number up a little more, LaMelo shot 31.2% in his last 6 games on an insanely high volume. I do agree though that stretch 4 and an elite 3pt SG/SF should be our primary targets in FA

tankathon projected nba 3pt% for lamelo based on 3ptA 3pt% and FT% is 35.3% which would make him a deadly threat

Luka shot 31.8% from 3 last year and 32.2% for his career and 28% his last year at real madrid, but attempted 9.1 3s a game

people didn't want to draft ja morant last year because he had double elbow flares

lamelo's height at PG position with his elite passing is a massive insane skill, he is going to be one of the best playmakers and shot creators in the league the moment he steps on the court as a rookie

[Deeeez Knicks]

How many games do you think any NBA team can win when

3 of 5 starting positions

play 30mpg (C, RJ, Ball) and shoot less than 30% from three ???

RJ shot 32% as a rookie and we hope he will put in the work to get that number up a little more, LaMelo shot 31.2% in his last 6 games on an insanely high volume

tankathon projected nba 3pt% for lamelo based on 3ptA 3pt% and FT% is 35.3% which would make him a deadly threat

Luka shot 31.8% from 3 last year and 32.2% for his career and 28% his last year at real madrid, but attempted 9.1 3s a game

people didn't want to draft ja morant last year because he had double elbow flares

lamelo's height at PG position with his elite passing is a massive insane skill, he is going to be one of the best playmakers and shot creators in the league the moment he steps on the court as a rookie

Yea, 32% isn't that bad for a rookie. His jumper looks like it's getting better. Don't think it's a stretch for RJ to get to a respectable 35% or so. He's not that far away from there.

If LaMelo pans out as a great playmaker/pg, then it more then makes up for the shaky jumper. He will get guys better looks from 3...having a good PG will do much more of us then a good shooter. Plus, he still has potential to at least get to a respectable level. He is def worth the risk.

Overall, you need spacing and shooting, but talent is more important for the draft. We need some top tier playmakers/facilitators. The best team in the league has some shaky/inconsistent shooters starting (Giannis/Brook/Bledsoe). They make up for it with volume and other good shooters, while all those guys are still good/great players.

[robillionaire]

would you take a shot at pokusevski 27th if he falls there

[mpharris36]

would you take a shot at pokusevski 27th if he falls there

I think he has a better shot of going in the lottery than falling to 27. Someone is going to take a chance on him way before our 27th pick.

[Deeeez Knicks]

would you take a shot at pokusevski 27th if he falls there

I think he has a better shot of going in the lottery than falling to 27. Someone is going to take a chance on him way before our 27th pick.

Yea, someone will probably take a shot at him. Seems like a ton of upside, but will need some time. I know KT likes him a lot.

Would love to find a way to move up from #27 and grab him with our 2nd pick.

[robillionaire]

would you take a shot at pokusevski 27th if he falls there

I think he has a better shot of going in the lottery than falling to 27. Someone is going to take a chance on him way before our 27th pick.

Yea, someone will probably take a shot at him. Seems like a ton of upside, but will need some time. I know KT likes him a lot.

Would love to find a way to move up from #27 and grab him with our 2nd pick.

I don't think he'll be there either, but just wondering on the off chance he was still on the board. Sometimes players fall unexpectedly ans like Perrin was saying it's a weird draft, I wouldn't move up for him though, there's a couple other players I like if we trade up