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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#661 » by beanbag » Fri May 22, 2020 4:15 am

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A 15 year old HSer receiving 2k is never justified.


A family of 4 receiving a living wage is easily justifiable.


You do realize that the median household income in Canada is $59,800, right? $96K is waaay past living wage territory.


59,800 is the median after tax income. What do you think 96K turns into after tax? Here's a hint, it's not waaaaay more.
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Post#662 » by beanbag » Fri May 22, 2020 4:17 am

Courtside wrote:
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A 15 year old HSer receiving 2k is never justified.


A family of 4 receiving a living wage is easily justifiable.


You do realize that the median household income in Canada is $59,800, right? $96K is waaay past living wage territory.


59,800 is the median after tax income. What do you think 96K turns into after tax? Here's a hint, it's not waaaaay more. I'm also speaking on what a family in Toronto needs. Maybe 59,800 for a family of 4 works in some places, but certainly not here.
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Post#663 » by Kevin Willis » Fri May 22, 2020 12:39 pm

These are the requirements for CESB. 15 year olds should not get it unless they are a genious.

-high school students who graduated in 2020, have applied for enrollment in a post-secondary program that is scheduled to begin before February 1, 2021 and who plan to enroll in the program if their application is accepted;
-current post-secondary students who were enrolled in a degree, diploma, or certificate program at any time, between December 1, 2019 and August 2020;
-recent post-secondary graduates who graduated no earlier than December 2019;

Supporting Documents

The CRA has announced that it will be verifying applicant’s eligibility to receive the CESB after the student has applied. If you apply to receive the CESB, you may be asked to provide supporting documents. We encourage you to collect and keep documents that support your eligibility including, but not limited to, proof enrollment or graduation date, records of income or invoices of supplemental income earned during the eligibility period and, if applicable, documentation regarding your disability and/or your dependants.

So if you're in school keep your T22022 and how much you make. My guess is if you file your taxes already they won't ask becaue they already know.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#664 » by Fairview4Life » Fri May 22, 2020 1:16 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:These are the requirements for CESB. 15 year olds should not get it unless they are a genious.

-high school students who graduated in 2020, have applied for enrollment in a post-secondary program that is scheduled to begin before February 1, 2021 and who plan to enroll in the program if their application is accepted;
-current post-secondary students who were enrolled in a degree, diploma, or certificate program at any time, between December 1, 2019 and August 2020;
-recent post-secondary graduates who graduated no earlier than December 2019;

Supporting Documents

The CRA has announced that it will be verifying applicant’s eligibility to receive the CESB after the student has applied. If you apply to receive the CESB, you may be asked to provide supporting documents. We encourage you to collect and keep documents that support your eligibility including, but not limited to, proof enrollment or graduation date, records of income or invoices of supplemental income earned during the eligibility period and, if applicable, documentation regarding your disability and/or your dependants.

So if you're in school keep your T22022 and how much you make. My guess is if you file your taxes already they won't ask becaue they already know.


Pretty sure it's not automatic and you have to apply, and it isn't just money for students, you also have to show you haven't been able to find work or lost a job due to the virus. It isn't just free money if you have a T2202 in the last year.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#665 » by Kevin Willis » Fri May 22, 2020 1:28 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:These are the requirements for CESB. 15 year olds should not get it unless they are a genious.

-high school students who graduated in 2020, have applied for enrollment in a post-secondary program that is scheduled to begin before February 1, 2021 and who plan to enroll in the program if their application is accepted;
-current post-secondary students who were enrolled in a degree, diploma, or certificate program at any time, between December 1, 2019 and August 2020;
-recent post-secondary graduates who graduated no earlier than December 2019;

Supporting Documents

The CRA has announced that it will be verifying applicant’s eligibility to receive the CESB after the student has applied. If you apply to receive the CESB, you may be asked to provide supporting documents. We encourage you to collect and keep documents that support your eligibility including, but not limited to, proof enrollment or graduation date, records of income or invoices of supplemental income earned during the eligibility period and, if applicable, documentation regarding your disability and/or your dependants.

So if you're in school keep your T22022 and how much you make. My guess is if you file your taxes already they won't ask becaue they already know.


Pretty sure it's not automatic and you have to apply, and it isn't just money for students, you also have to show you haven't been able to find work or lost a job due to the virus. It isn't just free money if you have a T2202 in the last year.


Yes you have to apply. Supporting documents is for audits in the future.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#666 » by Wo1verine » Fri May 22, 2020 4:21 pm

jaymeister15 wrote:The May 12th report had 361 cases, May 13th report had 329 cases. Today had 413, yesterday 390, when you are looking at a 50-70 positive test difference in a province of 13 million, I think it’s tough to attribute too much to that. Particularly now that they are testing anyone that has any symptom, and starting to test more people that don’t have symptoms. I believe they announced late last week that they were expanding the testing criteria, and there doesn’t seem to be any backlog, so that would be affecting current numbers.

Imo, a more important number to keep any eye on as restrictions loosen would be the number of people in hospital or icu. Both of those numbers seem to be dropping. On May 12th, there were 1,025 people hospitalized and 192 in the icu. As of today, those two numbers are at 984 and 155....again talking relatively small differences, but there doesn’t seem to be anything to suggest hospitals are on the way to being overloaded as the province opens up.

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Post#667 » by Fairview4Life » Fri May 22, 2020 4:44 pm

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Post#668 » by Wo1verine » Fri May 22, 2020 5:20 pm

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Post#669 » by Basketball_Jones » Sat May 23, 2020 3:33 pm

I think it’s pretty clear we are going to have to live with covid for the next year or so. Ontario rates are really not progressing much. So, do we really keep everything closed until all businesses are basically bankrupt? Seems unrealistic. But that’s the way things are going.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#670 » by BigLeagueChew » Sat May 23, 2020 5:18 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:I think it’s pretty clear we are going to have to live with covid for the next year or so. Ontario rates are really not progressing much. So, do we really keep everything closed until all businesses are basically bankrupt? Seems unrealistic. But that’s the way things are going.


My main thought is if you're not bankrupt now you will be on wave 2 or 3.
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Post#671 » by BBallInSight » Sun May 24, 2020 3:42 am

I made a comment in the other thread that the numbers weren't much worse that a bad flu season. Someone said that you couldn't compare because it would have been much worse if we didn't lock down. To that I say this thing was around in December or January and was spreading for months before the lockdown. If it was really that dangerous, the hospitals would have been filled. They claimed they were, but they weren't. Their published numbers confirm this fact. The CDC admitted today that they were combining serology and PCR test numbers, which would have made the virus appear to be spreading, when in fact it had already gone through the population.

99% of confirmed cases in Sweden have mild symptoms. That means the percentage of people in the population with serious symptoms is much lower, as they're not factoring in unidentified, largely asymptomatic cases. This is true for other areas - many of which have reversed the lockdown and have not seen the apocalypse.

Even now as they claim the virus is spreading exponentially because of mother's day, the truth is that the number of people in the hospital with covid has held steady. In fact, the number of people in the hospital went down yesterday by 23 from the day before.

In Ontario's daily reporting, a death of a confirmed case is labelled a Covid death regardless of the cause of death. As in, if you had stage 4 cancer and acquired it the day before you died, it's a Covid death. In long term care facilities a death is a covid death even if there's no test performed, as long as the patient had a single symptom. An outbreak at a long term care facility is considered a single patient with a confirmed test. It's these sorts of misrepresentations of the facts that's striking fear in the population. You can look up these facts in their documentation.
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Post#672 » by TdotRap4Lyfe » Sun May 24, 2020 3:52 am

The people piling into the parks is horrific to watch on the news. It's as if people think because the park is open, we are ok...
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Post#673 » by EJ1024 » Sun May 24, 2020 4:30 am

I know 8 people (co-worker) that got it!
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Post#674 » by Jcity08 » Sun May 24, 2020 6:21 am

My aunt in her fifties has been in an induced coma for several weeks now, we're hoping she pulls through. My uncle in his late forties got it but is recovering.

I feel for the people who lost loved ones over this.
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Post#675 » by bballsparkin » Sun May 24, 2020 6:42 am

^Damn that's too young. Hope she pulls through!
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Post#676 » by The Warrior » Sun May 24, 2020 7:14 am

Jcity08 wrote:My aunt in her fifties has been in an induced coma for several weeks now, we're hoping she pulls through. My uncle in his late forties got it but is recovering.

I feel for the people who lost loved ones over this.

Hopefully your aunt will recover from this too. My mother in her mid 60s finally tested negative a few days back after having it for almost a month. Luckily my father didn’t contract it from her especially considering he’s immune compromised. For her she suffered all the well known symptoms minus pneumonia but overall she has had excellent health and she’s very active so I was mostly concerned for my dad.

I see a lot of these “truthers” claiming all sorts of nonsense. One example just a few posts down. It’s these same people that don’t take the severity serious until it hits home. For my mom it hit home when she saw 8 people from her ward succumb to the virus in one day. She’s seen people die in the past so it’s not new to her but not multiple people all in one day. I guess all these people just happened to coincidentally die all on the same day and all for completely separate reasons since covid is labeled to anyone that dies of any illness right!?


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Post#677 » by Jcity08 » Sun May 24, 2020 8:20 am

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Jcity08 wrote:My aunt in her fifties has been in an induced coma for several weeks now, we're hoping she pulls through. My uncle in his late forties got it but is recovering.

I feel for the people who lost loved ones over this.

Hopefully your aunt will recover from this too. My mother in her mid 60s finally tested negative a few days back after having it for almost a month. Luckily my father didn’t contract it from her especially considering he’s immune compromised. For her she suffered all the well known symptoms minus pneumonia but overall she has had excellent health and she’s very active so I was mostly concerned for my dad.

I see a lot of these “truthers” claiming all sorts of nonsense. One example just a few posts down. It’s these same people that don’t take the severity serious until it hits home. For my mom it hit home when she saw 8 people from her ward succumb to the virus in one day. She’s seen people die in the past so it’s not new to her but not multiple people all in one day. I guess all these people just happened to coincidentally die all on the same day and all for completely separate reasons since covid is labeled to anyone that dies of any illness right!?


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I'm glad your family is doing well, and you're right, the virus is no joke for many. My Aunt was a personal support worker at a Nursing home in Ottawa where one of the resident died from CoVid and shortly after that she started showing signs like troubled breathing and her symptoms accelerated.

The messed up thing was my cousin and my aunts siblings (my mother included) were begging her to stop working at the nursing home before the incident but she was headstrong & stubborn about.

My aunt was a heavy, life-long smoker so her lungs were already damaged and weak, as far as I can tell(I'm no doctor).

My Uncle lives overseas in Somalia where CoVid ripped through the country there. But he also never drank or smoked in his life and lived a pretty active lifestyle. Ironically, I watched my first bball game with him back in the 95 when I was right around 5 -6 years old, he was a big fan of the Bulls(not surprising).

My Mom is also in her mid sixties which is why I'm taking this virus as serious as I can. I already lost my Pops to cancer two years ago, I'm not risking it with my Mom. Call me paranoid. We all die someday but I dont want my carelessness to accelerate the time I have with my loved ones on this earth.
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Post#678 » by mtcan » Sun May 24, 2020 10:02 am

BBallInSight wrote:I made a comment in the other thread that the numbers weren't much worse that a bad flu season. Someone said that you couldn't compare because it would have been much worse if we didn't lock down. To that I say this thing was around in December or January and was spreading for months before the lockdown. If it was really that dangerous, the hospitals would have been filled. They claimed they were, but they weren't. Their published numbers confirm this fact. The CDC admitted today that they were combining serology and PCR test numbers, which would have made the virus appear to be spreading, when in fact it had already gone through the population.

99% of confirmed cases in Sweden have mild symptoms. That means the percentage of people in the population with serious symptoms is much lower, as they're not factoring in unidentified, largely asymptomatic cases. This is true for other areas - many of which have reversed the lockdown and have not seen the apocalypse.

Even now as they claim the virus is spreading exponentially because of mother's day, the truth is that the number of people in the hospital with covid has held steady. In fact, the number of people in the hospital went down yesterday by 23 from the day before.

In Ontario's daily reporting, a death of a confirmed case is labelled a Covid death regardless of the cause of death. As in, if you had stage 4 cancer and acquired it the day before you died, it's a Covid death. In long term care facilities a death is a covid death even if there's no test performed, as long as the patient had a single symptom. An outbreak at a long term care facility is considered a single patient with a confirmed test. It's these sorts of misrepresentations of the facts that's striking fear in the population. You can look up these facts in their documentation.

This was discussed pages ago...why does this keep getting rehashed?

IF you test positve develop symptoms of covid and it causes you have shortness of breath/heart attack/stroke/pulmonary embolism/pneumonia (because covid has been known to cause ALL of the above) and die whereas you might not have had those and otherwise would have lived a few months longer...of course it's **** covid death.

The only one trying to misread the numbers is YOU. There is no documentation that indicates that covid deaths in long term care facilities weren't confirmed by test. Of all places...those would be easy to tell. That said....what do you think caused the mass deaths of thousands of nursing home residents within 2 months during a pandemic? You think it was coinicidence? Do you think it was the flu? You think that isn't suspicious for something? This amount of death in these facilities isn't just an every day occurence and it while there are flu outbreaks during flu season...IT DOESN'T RESULT IN THIS AMOUNT OF DEATH. And it isn't even just the residents that died...it's the staff: nursings, personal support workers, military personnel who are there helping...how the **** do you think 28 military personnel got covid (just reported in the last 2 days...my source is CP24) while working in nursing homes?

There are nursing homes in which 30-40 of 60 residents died...is that not considered an outbreak?

Tell me...which nursing homes have a single case and is misrepresented as an outbreak...otherwise stop spreading BS.

And....Sweden has 7000 more cases than Ontario does, despite Ontario as a province having almost 5 million more people than the population of Sweden. And as of right now...Ontario has 2157 deaths...Sweden has 3992 deaths...just about twice the number of deaths as Ontario. Tell me you wouldn't sacrifice 2000 more lives (one of those could be yours) just so that you can have a beer on a patio or pretend this doesn't exist. And yet...Sweden isn't doing better than any of their Scandinavian neighbours...Norway and Denmark all have lower numbers...so maybe telling us how great Sweden's doing isn't such a good idea.

You are SPECULATING that this thing has been around in December. You have no idea...and so I don't care about your speculation.

And our hospital system could have been as bad as NYC, Italy and Spain...but lockdown measures helped to prevent that. Do you want the hospital systems to be overwhelmed before you decide that this is real? Would that prove it to you? I'm happy we haven't filled our hospital up until now...but any degree of increased stupidity going forward can tip the balance. What makes you think that we can't end up like NYC, Italy and Spain?

Proof is out there in a world...this is not a good time to be a covid-denier. I suggest you head over to your nearest nursing home or long term care facility...ask a resident or nurse to cough on you. Maybe you'd rather visit one of the many covid testing centres and ask anyone in line to cough on you. If it's not as bad as you think it is...the numbers and facts are on your side...right? Are you brave enough to put your money where your mouth is (which is with distance of a sick person's cough)?
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Post#679 » by Vaclac » Sun May 24, 2020 11:01 am

TdotRap4Lyfe wrote:The people piling into the parks is horrific to watch on the news. It's as if people think because the park is open, we are ok...


Outside is one of the best places to be and there's lots of evidence to back this up. People just don't transmit the virus in outdoor spaces unless they're in very close contact for extended periods of time. If we're going to try to reduce transmission for an extended period of time we're going to have to be rational about it and not just try to prevent everyone from doing anything. Closing down parks was one of the more foolish policies, in terms of negative physical and mental health consequences in exchange for negligible if any gains in reduced virus transmission. At best you might say that initially we didn't know that it was so difficult to transmit outside, but now we certainly do, so let's stop shaming people for going outside, which is actually very important for health.
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Post#680 » by Westside Gunn » Sun May 24, 2020 11:41 am

^ i think we're getting way too cocky here.

im no doctor, but a setting like trinity bellwoods is the perfect recipe for spreading the virus. how did it spread in wuhan? inside? outside? crowds? a mixture of everything.

just look at the countries that have been successful in dealing with this, and their funding situation isnt as great as ours.

countries like greece told everyone to eff off and stay at home and actually enforced it. here in ontario we are approaching 30k and mfers wanna crowd up in a park oh because its awesome for your health. i can only imagine how sensitive people would be if they actually enforced a curfew to keep numbers at minimum.

this was supposed to help us develop some thick skin for future disasters, but oh we so aint ready.
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