BBallInSight wrote:I made a comment in the other thread that the numbers weren't much worse that a bad flu season. Someone said that you couldn't compare because it would have been much worse if we didn't lock down. To that I say this thing was around in December or January and was spreading for months before the lockdown. If it was really that dangerous, the hospitals would have been filled. They claimed they were, but they weren't. Their published numbers confirm this fact. The CDC admitted today that they were combining serology and PCR test numbers, which would have made the virus appear to be spreading, when in fact it had already gone through the population.
99% of confirmed cases in Sweden have mild symptoms. That means the percentage of people in the population with serious symptoms is much lower, as they're not factoring in unidentified, largely asymptomatic cases. This is true for other areas - many of which have reversed the lockdown and have not seen the apocalypse.
Even now as they claim the virus is spreading exponentially because of mother's day, the truth is that the number of people in the hospital with covid has held steady. In fact, the number of people in the hospital went down yesterday by 23 from the day before.
In Ontario's daily reporting, a death of a confirmed case is labelled a Covid death regardless of the cause of death. As in, if you had stage 4 cancer and acquired it the day before you died, it's a Covid death. In long term care facilities a death is a covid death even if there's no test performed, as long as the patient had a single symptom. An outbreak at a long term care facility is considered a single patient with a confirmed test. It's these sorts of misrepresentations of the facts that's striking fear in the population. You can look up these facts in their documentation.
This was discussed pages ago...why does this keep getting rehashed?
IF you test positve develop symptoms of covid and it causes you have shortness of breath/heart attack/stroke/pulmonary embolism/pneumonia (because covid has been known to cause ALL of the above) and die whereas you might not have had those and otherwise would have lived a few months longer...of course it's **** covid death.
The only one trying to misread the numbers is YOU. There is no documentation that indicates that covid deaths in long term care facilities weren't confirmed by test. Of all places...those would be easy to tell. That said....what do you think caused the mass deaths of thousands of nursing home residents within 2 months during a pandemic? You think it was coinicidence? Do you think it was the flu? You think that isn't suspicious for something? This amount of death in these facilities isn't just an every day occurence and it while there are flu outbreaks during flu season...IT DOESN'T RESULT IN THIS AMOUNT OF DEATH. And it isn't even just the residents that died...it's the staff: nursings, personal support workers, military personnel who are there helping...how the **** do you think 28 military personnel got covid (just reported in the last 2 days...my source is CP24) while working in nursing homes?
There are nursing homes in which 30-40 of 60 residents died...is that not considered an outbreak?
Tell me...which nursing homes have a single case and is misrepresented as an outbreak...otherwise stop spreading BS.
And....Sweden has 7000 more cases than Ontario does, despite Ontario as a province having almost 5 million more people than the population of Sweden. And as of right now...Ontario has 2157 deaths...Sweden has 3992 deaths...just about twice the number of deaths as Ontario. Tell me you wouldn't sacrifice 2000 more lives (one of those could be yours) just so that you can have a beer on a patio or pretend this doesn't exist. And yet...Sweden isn't doing better than any of their Scandinavian neighbours...Norway and Denmark all have lower numbers...so maybe telling us how great Sweden's doing isn't such a good idea.
You are SPECULATING that this thing has been around in December. You have no idea...and so I don't care about your speculation.
And our hospital system could have been as bad as NYC, Italy and Spain...but lockdown measures helped to prevent that. Do you want the hospital systems to be overwhelmed before you decide that this is real? Would that prove it to you? I'm happy we haven't filled our hospital up until now...but any degree of increased stupidity going forward can tip the balance. What makes you think that we can't end up like NYC, Italy and Spain?
Proof is out there in a world...this is not a good time to be a covid-denier. I suggest you head over to your nearest nursing home or long term care facility...ask a resident or nurse to cough on you. Maybe you'd rather visit one of the many covid testing centres and ask anyone in line to cough on you. If it's not as bad as you think it is...the numbers and facts are on your side...right? Are you brave enough to put your money where your mouth is (which is with distance of a sick person's cough)?