2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[robillionaire]

I love how that someone from the media tweets that the Knicks have L.Ball as their top PG or top player that people actually believe this like it's a fact. Do people really think anyone from any professional organization is gonna tell anyone in the media who their top player on their board is before the draft even gets started? It's just so ridiculous to think that anyone would be the dumb even anyone in the Knicks organization. We're most likely gonna be picking right around the 6 spot and you think the Knicks are gonna lose any leverage they would have to get Ball if he is actually their top ranked player? The NY media is a joke.

This is like when Durant was coming

Screamin Stephen said it was a 95% chance that KD and Kyrie end up with the Knicks.

I actually encountered him after that at my job and brought it up and he snapped back “I SAID FIFTY”

[newyorker4ever]

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It’s going to happen folks one way or another.

I love how that someone from the media tweets that the Knicks have L.Ball as their top PG or top player that people actually believe this like it's a fact. Do people really think anyone from any professional organization is gonna tell anyone in the media who their top player on their board is before the draft even gets started? It's just so ridiculous to think that anyone would be the dumb even anyone in the Knicks organization. We're most likely gonna be picking right around the 6 spot and you think the Knicks are gonna lose any leverage they would have to get Ball if he is actually their top ranked player? The NY media is a joke.

It’s complicated. There have always been leaks because there have always been politics and disgruntled Knicks employees. This isn’t like Mills Or Walsh where we are open with the plan, but I believe it.

The real question are 1) is this actionable news like the knicks have plan to move up for LaMelo 2) is this a smokescreen because while LaMelo might be the best talent they identified nearly as talentEd PG’s they can grab later.

What disgruntled Knicks employees that would even know what the GM's white board looks like? Not everyone in the front office knows what the Knicks draft plans are. Nobody would leak info like that to the media. The media just took the most logical choice which is that L.Ball is their top PG and everyone knows the Knicks need a PG and they ran with it. It's really just common sense but nobody would need a disgruntled employee to put that together. Even us fans could figure that out.

[newyorker4ever]

Facts. That’s why I won’t be mad if the Knicks take Toppin if he’s available. He has more star potential than a lot of the guards in this draft.

My worry with Toppin is that he's just an athletic player but not any great skills like shooting or defense or vision/passing or rebounding. I don't know if he won't have any of those skills but sometimes players with his athleticism get too rapped up into just throwing down big dunks but forgets about making players around him better.

Excellent footwork in the post, soft touch around the rim, underrated as a passer and he's made plenty of high IQ passes nothing flashy but little tip passes to his teammates or zip passes cross court he has really nice understanding of the game. The guy is very skilled, we aren't talking about just a leaper here, he is a very talented all around player with star potential.

He still worries me and his age and the level of competition he played against also worries me. I'm no draft expert at all (even though i wanted SGA in his draft and D.Mitchell in his draft) so i could be totally wrong about him and he could be a really good NBA player but he does have some things to worry about IMO.

[newyorker4ever]

We have all the leverage because LaVar is speaking it into existence and utilizing the methods of “the source” via the law of attraction and collective positive thoughts to get him to the Knicks with the first pick. All we have to do is visualize lamelo on the knicks crossing people over and throwing crazy behind the back passes and lobs to Mitch and holding up the Larry O’Brien trophy on the knicks logo and it will manifest itself into reality

This must by why RAP (Rose, Aller, Perrin) must already know it’s a done deal. We don’t have to worry about how it happens just the end result and as GreenArrow said it’s going to happen one way or another

(and you will like it)

Can we also visualize him being able to shoot and play defense?

[HEZI]

We have all the leverage because LaVar is speaking it into existence and utilizing the methods of “the source” via the law of attraction and collective positive thoughts to get him to the Knicks with the first pick. All we have to do is visualize lamelo on the knicks crossing people over and throwing crazy behind the back passes and lobs to Mitch and holding up the Larry O’Brien trophy on the knicks logo and it will manifest itself into reality

This must by why RAP (Rose, Aller, Perrin) must already know it’s a done deal. We don’t have to worry about how it happens just the end result and as GreenArrow said it’s going to happen one way or another

(and you will like it)

Can we also visualize him being able to shoot and play defense?

29-2 and best record in program history is still impressive. He was unstoppable against Anthony Edwards' Georgia team and they blew them out. He was unstoppable against Virginia Tech and they destroyed them. Top ranked Kansas barely squeezed out a win against his team despite Azubuike dominating Toppin inside but Azubuike is a brute and his size and strength will give NBA veteran bigs issues and Toppin was also giving his issues on the other end and almost carried Dayton to victory. Kansas needed overtime to beat them.

This was cold blooded also

Watch on YouTube

Obi gave no fuqs that this was top ranked Kansas

[robillionaire]

I wonder if we should take a look at Azubuike 38th

[knickstape21]

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It’s going to happen folks one way or another.

I love how that someone from the media tweets that the Knicks have L.Ball as their top PG or top player that people actually believe this like it's a fact. Do people really think anyone from any professional organization is gonna tell anyone in the media who their top player on their board is before the draft even gets started? It's just so ridiculous to think that anyone would be the dumb even anyone in the Knicks organization. We're most likely gonna be picking right around the 6 spot and you think the Knicks are gonna lose any leverage they would have to get Ball if he is actually their top ranked player? The NY media is a joke.

Spot on. It’s an educated guess. They don’t know anything. I would write the same article.

[knickstape21]

I wonder if we should take a look at Azubuike 38th

UDFA if he makes it there.

[knickstape21]

We have all the leverage because LaVar is speaking it into existence and utilizing the methods of “the source” via the law of attraction and collective positive thoughts to get him to the Knicks with the first pick. All we have to do is visualize lamelo on the knicks crossing people over and throwing crazy behind the back passes and lobs to Mitch and holding up the Larry O’Brien trophy on the knicks logo and it will manifest itself into reality

This must by why RAP (Rose, Aller, Perrin) must already know it’s a done deal. We don’t have to worry about how it happens just the end result and as GreenArrow said it’s going to happen one way or another

(and you will like it)

Can we also visualize him being able to shoot and play defense?

29-2 and best record in program history is still impressive. He was unstoppable against Anthony Edwards' Georgia team and they blew them out. He was unstoppable against Virginia Tech and they destroyed them. Top ranked Kansas barely squeezed out a win against his team despite Azubuike dominating Toppin inside but Azubuike is a brute and his size and strength will give NBA veteran bigs issues and Toppin was also giving his issues on the other end and almost carried Dayton to victory. Kansas needed overtime to beat them.

This was cold blooded also

Watch on YouTube

Obi gave no fuqs that this was top ranked Kansas

Remember when Knox hit that huge 3 at West Virginia and did the nut grab celebration? Cold blooded.

[HEZI]

Can we also visualize him being able to shoot and play defense?

29-2 and best record in program history is still impressive. He was unstoppable against Anthony Edwards' Georgia team and they blew them out. He was unstoppable against Virginia Tech and they destroyed them. Top ranked Kansas barely squeezed out a win against his team despite Azubuike dominating Toppin inside but Azubuike is a brute and his size and strength will give NBA veteran bigs issues and Toppin was also giving his issues on the other end and almost carried Dayton to victory. Kansas needed overtime to beat them.

This was cold blooded also

Watch on YouTube

Obi gave no fuqs that this was top ranked Kansas

Remember when Knox hit that huge 3 at West Virginia and did the nut grab celebration? Cold blooded.

Lazy comp?

[knickstape21]

29-2 and best record in program history is still impressive. He was unstoppable against Anthony Edwards' Georgia team and they blew them out. He was unstoppable against Virginia Tech and they destroyed them. Top ranked Kansas barely squeezed out a win against his team despite Azubuike dominating Toppin inside but Azubuike is a brute and his size and strength will give NBA veteran bigs issues and Toppin was also giving his issues on the other end and almost carried Dayton to victory. Kansas needed overtime to beat them.

This was cold blooded also

Watch on YouTube

Obi gave no fuqs that this was top ranked Kansas

Remember when Knox hit that huge 3 at West Virginia and did the nut grab celebration? Cold blooded.

Lazy comp?

Considering Toppin and Knox lack of defense, I’d say it’s pretty spot on

[robillionaire]

Pretty lazy comp seeing as how toppin is old enough to be Kevin Knox’s father even today

[NYF13]

Remember when Knox hit that huge 3 at West Virginia and did the nut grab celebration? Cold blooded.

Lazy comp?

Considering Toppin and Knox lack of defense, I’d say it’s pretty spot on

Do you think Obi being 22 yrs old already is a concern? Any star you see with that kind of age when drafted?

[knickstape21]

Pretty lazy comp seeing as how toppin is old enough to be Kevin Knox’s father even today

I’m not comparing them as players. Was pointing out that Knox did the same thing and he’s soft as hell.

[sol537]

I wonder if it could make sense to grab Toppin with our pick (if we deem him BPA at that point) and pair him next to Mitch as the front court of the future. Toppin would have to develop his outside shot further and work on his defense, of course, but Mitch could cover for him a bit on that end so the pairing could be interesting.

Then we could move up into the mid-1st round by taking on salary from Boston or the like and grab a PG there (Kira or Maxey?). Toppin is giving me Amare vibes.

[mpharris36]

Facts. That’s why I won’t be mad if the Knicks take Toppin if he’s available. He has more star potential than a lot of the guards in this draft.

I just dont see it with Toppin. 22, dominated a lower league in the post/paint, horrible defender. He will probably score, but might end up being an overall liability...Pass on him.

He is young and athletic enough to work on his defense. He looks like he can be a scoring machine. I would take a shot at him. His upside is huge

can't improve slow feet and stiff hips...

[mpharris36]

Facts. That’s why I won’t be mad if the Knicks take Toppin if he’s available. He has more star potential than a lot of the guards in this draft.

My worry with Toppin is that he's just an athletic player but not any great skills like shooting or defense or vision/passing or rebounding. I don't know if he won't have any of those skills but sometimes players with his athleticism get too rapped up into just throwing down big dunks but forgets about making players around him better.

Excellent footwork in the post, soft touch around the rim, underrated as a passer and he's made plenty of high IQ passes nothing flashy but little tip passes to his teammates or zip passes cross court he has really nice understanding of the game. The guy is very skilled, we aren't talking about just a leaper here, he is a very talented all around player with star potential.

Pros: I buy the shot translating maybe even out to the 3 pt line consitently...he's a really good passer and I like that. He is an above the rim player.

Cons: He has virtually no post up game. He is top heavy and couldn't back down players that were smaller then him. He won't be able to bully people that are his same size (he will get bullied). While being a great virtical athlete he has some of the worst lateral movemnt I have seen in a while. Super stiff hips and his change in direction will make him a complete liability on the defensive end.

He won't kill you on the glass but also provides you zero rim protection and instincts to play small ball 5. So he's kinda stuck at the 4 and he really doesn't guard in space well either.

I honestly would rather take a chance at Poku who I believe he is a more traditional 4 in todays NBA.

[mpharris36]

I wonder if it could make sense to grab Toppin with our pick (if we deem him BPA at that point) and pair him next to Mitch as the front court of the future. Toppin would have to develop his outside shot further and work on his defense, of course, but Mitch could cover for him a bit on that end so the pairing could be interesting.

Then we could move up into the mid-1st round by taking on salary from Boston or the like and grab a PG there (Kira or Maxey?). Toppin is giving me Amare vibes.

[knickstape21]

Lazy comp?

Considering Toppin and Knox lack of defense, I’d say it’s pretty spot on

Do you think Obi being 22 yrs old already is a concern? Any star you see with that kind of age when drafted?

Jimmy Butler first that comes to mind. Also, players back in the days were drafted close to that age.

I don’t buy the age thing. I play ball and 22 was not even close to my best years. Just not a fan of Toppin.

[knickstape21]

My worry with Toppin is that he's just an athletic player but not any great skills like shooting or defense or vision/passing or rebounding. I don't know if he won't have any of those skills but sometimes players with his athleticism get too rapped up into just throwing down big dunks but forgets about making players around him better.

Excellent footwork in the post, soft touch around the rim, underrated as a passer and he's made plenty of high IQ passes nothing flashy but little tip passes to his teammates or zip passes cross court he has really nice understanding of the game. The guy is very skilled, we aren't talking about just a leaper here, he is a very talented all around player with star potential.

Pros: I buy the shot translating maybe even out to the 3 pt line consitently...he's a really good passer and I like that. He is an above the rim player.

Cons: He has virtually no post up game. He is top heavy and couldn't back down players that were smaller then him. He won't be able to pully people that are his same size (he will get bullied). While being a great virtical athlete he has some of the worst lateral movemnt I have seen in a while. Super stiff hips and his change in direction will make him a complete liability on the defensive end.

He won't kill you on the glass but also provides you zero rim protection and instincts to play small ball 5. So he's kinda stuck at the 4 and he really doesn't guard in space well either.

I honestly would rather take a chance at Poku who I believe he is a more traditional 4 in todays NBA.

Spot on.