2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

Post #1961 » by **mpharris36** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:08 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:
NYF13 wrote:
Do you think Obi being 22 yrs old already is a concern? Any star you see with that kind of age when drafted?

Jimmy Butler first that comes to mind. Also, players back in the days were drafted close to that age.

I don’t buy the age thing. I play ball and 22 was not even close to my best years. Just not a fan of Toppin.

Jimmy Butler? Not even close IMO. I like the Amare comp for Toppin.

John Collins is a pretty good today comp...I do think John Collins moves better around the court than Obi though. But overall offensive they do some simlar things if what he did in college translates to the NBA.

newyorker4ever · Post #1962 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:10 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:
Jimmy Butler first that comes to mind. Also, players back in the days were drafted close to that age.

I don’t buy the age thing. I play ball and 22 was not even close to my best years. Just not a fan of Toppin.

Jimmy Butler? Not even close IMO. I like the Amare comp for Toppin.

John Collins is a pretty good today comp...I do think John Collins moves better around the court than Obi though. But overall offensive they do some simlar things if what he did in college translates to the NBA.

I'm a J.Collins fan so if Obi could turn into him then that's not a bad pick in a not so great draft.

knickstape21 · Post #1963 » by **knickstape21** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:10 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:
NYF13 wrote:
Do you think Obi being 22 yrs old already is a concern? Any star you see with that kind of age when drafted?

Jimmy Butler first that comes to mind. Also, players back in the days were drafted close to that age.

I don’t buy the age thing. I play ball and 22 was not even close to my best years. Just not a fan of Toppin.

Jimmy Butler? Not even close IMO. I like the Amare comp for Toppin.

Haha dude, I was asked if I knew of any star drafted at that age and referred to Butler being an older player like Toppin is and blossoming into a star.

Reading comprehension, guys. It’s easy.

knickstape21 · Post #1964 » by **knickstape21** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:15 pm

Watch on YouTube

The pass at 8:48 is incredible.

robillionaire · Post #1965 » by **robillionaire** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:19 pm

knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The pass at 8:48 is incredible.

Looks like he’s used to playing in empty arenas so it may help if they are forced to do that next season

HarthorneWingo · Post #1966 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:20 pm

robillionaire wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The pass at 8:48 is incredible.

Looks like he’s used to playing in empty arenas so it may help if they are forced to do that next season

Yes, we need to look at the little things that each potential draftee brings to the table. Details, details!

When I grew up, my favorite Euro player was Kresimir Cosic of Yugoslavia. He was the kinda like the Pistol Pete of Europe except he was a big. I don't recall if he ever played in the NBA but he is the basketball HOF. This kid reminds me a smaller version of Cosic. I actually didn't recall that Cosic was really more of a center.

Watch on YouTube

smw6230 · Post #1967 » by **smw6230** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:26 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
I'm a J.Collins fan so if Obi could turn into him then that's not a bad pick in a not so great draft.

And thus the logical question. Where would you select/slot J. Collins in this draft?

HEZI · Post #1968 » by **HEZI** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:29 pm

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Post #1969 » by **mpharris36** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:34 pm

HEZI wrote:

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he is for sure a great roller to the basket. Both in the pick and pop scenario and running to the rim. That is without question.

HEZI · Post #1970 » by **HEZI** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:36 pm

:19 second mark he blocks a shot, ignites a fastbreak, give and go to a guard and finishes at the rim in 5 seconds

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Not many bigs in the league have this type of talent

Extremely stiff though :lol:

HEZI · Post #1971 » by **HEZI** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:39 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote:

Read on Twitter

he is for sure a great roller to the basket. Both in the pick and pop scenario and running to the rim. That is without question.

That was actually highlighting him as a passer and how his versatility has helped make Dayton the best and most potent NCAA team ever in the history of the game. Yes, they were the best and most efficient team ever and Obi's versatility was the biggest key. They also had a bunch of lethal shooters which also helped.

Post #1972 » by **mpharris36** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:41 pm

HEZI wrote::19 second mark he blocks a shot, ignites a fastbreak, give and go to a guard and finishes at the rim in 5 seconds

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Not many bigs in the league have this type of talent

Extremely stiff though

I mean you can quote me?

Watch on YouTube

flip to 1:55 nearly every scouting report has him as top heavy with with stiff hips and poor lateral movemnt. You are acting like I am just pulling this out of nowhere.

Tim Hardaway is also a great straight line athlete with very good leaping ability. He also can't move laterally either. They are seperate movements and muscles.

newyorker4ever · Post #1973 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:42 pm

knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The pass at 8:48 is incredible.

He had multiple really good passes in this video and pretty damn good vision. I'm good with drafting the kid late lottery or after but not at 6.

Post #1974 » by **mpharris36** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:46 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The pass at 8:48 is incredible.

He had multiple really good passes in this video and pretty damn good vision. I'm good with drafting the kid late lottery or after but not at 6.

he is very skilled, you can easily question his competition and that is 100% accurate. But if you are a believer that skill is skill. Then he has a lot of potential.

newyorker4ever · Post #1975 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:46 pm

smw6230 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

And thus the logical question. Where would you select/slot J. Collins in this draft?

Kinda hard to say since he's already proven he can play in the NBA, which obviously Toppin hasn't done yet, and he's not only proven he can play but proven he can play very well in the NBA.

HEZI · Post #1976 » by **HEZI** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:47 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote::19 second mark he blocks a shot, ignites a fastbreak, give and go to a guard and finishes at the rim in 5 seconds

Read on Twitter

Not many bigs in the league have this type of talent

Extremely stiff though

I mean you can quote me?

Watch on YouTube

flip to 1:55 nearly every scouting report has him as top heavy with with stiff hips and poor lateral movemnt. You are acting like I am just pulling this out of nowhere.

Tim Hardaway is also a great straight line athlete with very good leaping ability. He also can't move laterally either. They are seperate movements and muscles.

Did you even watch the video? Paid attention to it? It took me 10 seconds to realize this was nonsense. Him faking a handoff and going into a drive has nothing to do with poor lateral movement. In fact he's had success doing that play countless times, there's plenty evidence of it. The few times the defender didn't bite isn't an example of poor lateral movement. This is terrible assessment whoever created that video. If you go to Obi's strengths you will find examples of that very same play working when the defender bites on the fake.

newyorker4ever · Post #1977 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:48 pm

HEZI wrote:

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Well if Jordan Sperber believes in him then.............well i don't know who Jordan Sperber is so i guess i still don't know.

Obviously you guys can go back and forth with people who believe in him and people who don't but none of those people or any of us will ever know if he can or can't translate his game to play well in the NBA until we see it.

robillionaire · Post #1978 » by **robillionaire** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:49 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The pass at 8:48 is incredible.

He had multiple really good passes in this video and pretty damn good vision. I'm good with drafting the kid late lottery or after but not at 6.

Anorexic Jokic

newyorker4ever · Post #1979 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:52 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The pass at 8:48 is incredible.

He had multiple really good passes in this video and pretty damn good vision. I'm good with drafting the kid late lottery or after but not at 6.

he is very skilled, you can easily question his competition and that is 100% accurate. But if you are a believer that skill is skill. Then he has a lot of potential.

I agree and nobody ever has to convince me on any of the euro kids that have skills cause i'm a fan of the euro kids, or at least most of them and i like this kids skills for sure. I'm all about using the Clippers and Charlotte pick to get into the mid 1st round and taking a shot with this kid for sure.

Post #1980 » by **mpharris36** » Mon May 25, 2020 11:56 pm

HEZI wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote::19 second mark he blocks a shot, ignites a fastbreak, give and go to a guard and finishes at the rim in 5 seconds

Read on Twitter

Not many bigs in the league have this type of talent

Extremely stiff though

I mean you can quote me?

Watch on YouTube

flip to 1:55 nearly every scouting report has him as top heavy with with stiff hips and poor lateral movemnt. You are acting like I am just pulling this out of nowhere.

Tim Hardaway is also a great straight line athlete with very good leaping ability. He also can't move laterally either. They are seperate movements and muscles.

Did you even watch the video? Paid attention to it? It took me 10 seconds to realize this was nonsense. Him faking a handoff and going into a drive has nothing to do with poor lateral movement. In fact he's had success doing that play countless times, there's plenty evidence of it. The few times the defender didn't bite isn't an example of poor lateral movement. This is terrible assessment whoever created that video. If you go to Obi's strengths you will find examples of that very same play working when the defender bites on the fake.

Watch on YouTube

weaknesses here start at 5:30