2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[mpharris36]

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[knickstape21]

Leon Rose’s first player he ever signed as an agent came from Australia.

LaMelo Ball is coming.

[3toheadmelo]

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We need some polls like old days. Maybe who should we pick at #6

[Thugger HBC]

Still would draft Wiseman if we had the pick, but we need a pg so bad. I can totally see why some are hedging the Knicks would draft LaMelo.

[mpharris36]

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We need some polls like old days. Maybe who should we pick at #6

thats an option but probably makes more sense on when we know how the lottery eventually shakes out. If we are picking in the top 3 we can be discussing Lamelo. If we are picking in 7 or 8...that options up pandora's box for available options

[mpharris36]

The good about today's NBA is that a players weakness individually isnt necessarily a weakness in actual nba games, where he'd be deemed unplayable.

As bad as Trae's defense is for example, I'd easily take him over anything the Knicks have had since Ewing, and that includes drafted players free agent signing etc.

I would still take Melo. He made the playoffs in his first 10 years (3 years including the knicks as well). For some of his faults and the negative sh*t he took here...he was still an amazing player. He nearly could have been the MVP of the league in the 2012-13 season.

But you aren't too far off with the above assessment because there probably isn't another player that I would either but that is also a knock of our horrible franchise for the past 20 years.

[HEZI]

I mean you can quote me?

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flip to 1:55 nearly every scouting report has him as top heavy with with stiff hips and poor lateral movemnt. You are acting like I am just pulling this out of nowhere.

Tim Hardaway is also a great straight line athlete with very good leaping ability. He also can't move laterally either. They are seperate movements and muscles.

Did you even watch the video? Paid attention to it? It took me 10 seconds to realize this was nonsense. Him faking a handoff and going into a drive has nothing to do with poor lateral movement. In fact he's had success doing that play countless times, there's plenty evidence of it. The few times the defender didn't bite isn't an example of poor lateral movement. This is terrible assessment whoever created that video. If you go to Obi's strengths you will find examples of that very same play working when the defender bites on the fake.

Watch on YouTube

weaknesses here start at 5:30

Him not being strong enough to defend Azibuike on the inside has nothing to do with being stiff. Azibuike is strong as a bull and a force inside and he would foul out a guy like Mitchell Robinson by halftime. Nobody at the 4 is going to be giving Obi those type of problems in the NBA. If you play him full time at the 5 he can run into those issues but if you play him along side a shotblocker he wont struggle in those situation. The other part of his weakness was he gambles for steals. Ok? And? Like I said before, when you go watch his success in those situations when he's grabbing pick 6 type of steals in transition it's looked at as a positive. Again, none of what you are talking about has been highlighted though.

[3toheadmelo]

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We need some polls like old days. Maybe who should we pick at #6

thats an option but probably makes more sense on when we know how the lottery eventually shakes out. If we are picking in the top 3 we can be discussing Lamelo. If we are picking in 7 or 8...that options up pandora's box for available options

Lottery not gonna happen until at least August. Put something up lol polls were one of my favorites in the draft threads. **** you can even make one that says Wiseman or Mitch

[moocow007]

Maybe we should have a mock draft where we vote for who each team would take with each pick assuming the draft order remains the same as the standings?

We do a 1st pick thread with a poll of the top however players max allowed in a poll based on tankathon. Have that open for 3 days then close it. Create a 2nd overall pick thread following the same format. Then we keep going through all 60 picks. 2 days for 2nd round.

[mpharris36]

Did you even watch the video? Paid attention to it? It took me 10 seconds to realize this was nonsense. Him faking a handoff and going into a drive has nothing to do with poor lateral movement. In fact he's had success doing that play countless times, there's plenty evidence of it. The few times the defender didn't bite isn't an example of poor lateral movement. This is terrible assessment whoever created that video. If you go to Obi's strengths you will find examples of that very same play working when the defender bites on the fake.

Watch on YouTube

weaknesses here start at 5:30

Him not being strong enough to defend Azibuike on the inside has nothing to do with being stiff. Azibuike is strong as a bull and a force inside and he would foul out a guy like Mitchell Robinson by halftime. Nobody at the 4 is going to be giving Obi those type of problems in the NBA. If you play him full time at the 5 he can run into those issues but if you play him along side a shotblocker he wont struggle in those situation. The other part of his weakness was he gambles for steals. Ok? And? Like I said before, when you go watch his success in those situations when he's grabbing pick 6 type of steals in transition it's looked at as a positive. Again, none of what you are talking about has been highlighted though.

we clearly aren't seeing the same thing. His close outs are out of control, he losses balance pretty easily because he is top heavy and doesn't have a good base (skinny legs). He also doesn't guard P&R well because he struggles with lateral movemnt. Those are obvious areas of weaknesses.

I have highlighted I think he can score (probably at all 3 levels)...plays above the rim. And he isn't a black hole with the ball. He moves the bal well and can make the extra pass pretty nicely for a big.

From what you are suggesting he is a can't miss prospect if you think he has no weaknesses. That we aren't aligned with.

[moocow007]

Not a fan of Toppin. Agree with mp. He is definitely not a can't miss prospect. I would take either Okongwu or Wiseman ahead of Toppin if I was looking for a front court player.

[mpharris36]

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Maybe we should have a mock draft where we vote for who each team would take with each pick assuming the draft order remains the same as the standings?

We do a 1st pick thread with a poll of the top however players max allowed in a poll based on tankathon. Have that open for 3 days then close it. Create a 2nd overall pick thread following the same format. Then we keep going through all 60 picks. 2 days for 2nd round.

we could do that for sure...if people would have enough interest doing that before the lottery I see no reason we couldn't do it.

[Thugger HBC]

The good about today's NBA is that a players weakness individually isnt necessarily a weakness in actual nba games, where he'd be deemed unplayable.

As bad as Trae's defense is for example, I'd easily take him over anything the Knicks have had since Ewing, and that includes drafted players free agent signing etc.

I would still take Melo. He made the playoffs in his first 10 years (3 years including the knicks as well). For some of his faults and the negative sh*t he took here...he was still an amazing player. He nearly could have been the MVP of the league in the 2012-13 season.

But you aren't too far off with the above assessment because there probably isn't another player that I would either but that is also a knock of our horrible franchise for the past 20 years.

I agree. I was with intent to knock any player, but rather speaking on the dynamic of todays NBA. The game has changed since those years.

[robillionaire]

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We need some polls like old days. Maybe who should we pick at #6

I figured we’d start those after the lottery but that may never happen at this rate

[TheGreenArrow]

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Can’t wait to see him light up the garden.

[HEZI]

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weaknesses here start at 5:30

Him not being strong enough to defend Azibuike on the inside has nothing to do with being stiff. Azibuike is strong as a bull and a force inside and he would foul out a guy like Mitchell Robinson by halftime. Nobody at the 4 is going to be giving Obi those type of problems in the NBA. If you play him full time at the 5 he can run into those issues but if you play him along side a shotblocker he wont struggle in those situation. The other part of his weakness was he gambles for steals. Ok? And? Like I said before, when you go watch his success in those situations when he's grabbing pick 6 type of steals in transition it's looked at as a positive. Again, none of what you are talking about has been highlighted though.

we clearly aren't seeing the same thing. His close outs are out of control, he losses balance pretty easily because he is top heavy and doesn't have a good base (skinny legs). He also doesn't guard P&R well because he struggles with lateral movemnt. Those are obvious areas of weaknesses.

I have highlighted I think he can score (probably at all 3 levels)...plays above the rim. And he isn't a black hole with the ball. He moves the bal well and can make the extra pass pretty nicely for a big.

From what you are suggesting he is a can't miss prospect if you think he has no weaknesses. That we aren't aligned with.

Never said he has no weaknesses but it's pretty obvious we aren't seeing the same thing

[robillionaire]

Read on Twitter

Can’t wait to see him light up the garden.

Poll:

1. Lamelo
2. Other (I do not want a generational PG talent)

[mpharris36]

The good about today's NBA is that a players weakness individually isnt necessarily a weakness in actual nba games, where he'd be deemed unplayable.

As bad as Trae's defense is for example, I'd easily take him over anything the Knicks have had since Ewing, and that includes drafted players free agent signing etc.

I would still take Melo. He made the playoffs in his first 10 years (3 years including the knicks as well). For some of his faults and the negative sh*t he took here...he was still an amazing player. He nearly could have been the MVP of the league in the 2012-13 season.

But you aren't too far off with the above assessment because there probably isn't another player that I would either but that is also a knock of our horrible franchise for the past 20 years.

I agree. I was with intent to knock any player, but rather speaking on the dynamic of todays NBA. The game has changed since those years.

It is funny if you think about it...the 2012-13 knicks were actually ahead of the times. They played Melo as the small ball 4 (he was nearly unguardable there). They played multiple ball handlers and shot a ton of 3's. We even played Copeland as a small ball 5 in some lineups . Then for some reason we went back to the stone ages with playing lineups with zero spacing/shooting.

[mpharris36]

Him not being strong enough to defend Azibuike on the inside has nothing to do with being stiff. Azibuike is strong as a bull and a force inside and he would foul out a guy like Mitchell Robinson by halftime. Nobody at the 4 is going to be giving Obi those type of problems in the NBA. If you play him full time at the 5 he can run into those issues but if you play him along side a shotblocker he wont struggle in those situation. The other part of his weakness was he gambles for steals. Ok? And? Like I said before, when you go watch his success in those situations when he's grabbing pick 6 type of steals in transition it's looked at as a positive. Again, none of what you are talking about has been highlighted though.

we clearly aren't seeing the same thing. His close outs are out of control, he losses balance pretty easily because he is top heavy and doesn't have a good base (skinny legs). He also doesn't guard P&R well because he struggles with lateral movemnt. Those are obvious areas of weaknesses.

I have highlighted I think he can score (probably at all 3 levels)...plays above the rim. And he isn't a black hole with the ball. He moves the bal well and can make the extra pass pretty nicely for a big.

From what you are suggesting he is a can't miss prospect if you think he has no weaknesses. That we aren't aligned with.

Never said he has no weaknesses but it's pretty obvious we aren't seeing the same thing

curious, what do you think his weakness are?

[Thugger HBC]

Obi is primarily looked down upon due to his age, but I do feel he's stepping on the court and contributing immediately wherever he goes.