2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[3toheadmelo]

Gonna be a big steal to whichever team he goes to

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Give me Achiuwa over Toppin. Just a better fit in what I would envision the team looking like.

High volume players in Barrett, your point guard, and lets say Kuminga in next draft or a Booker trade - supported by high energy, high versatility in Achiuwa and Robinson. Just makes more sense unless you want Toppin to be one of your go to guys.

I like Toppin but I can see the argument for Achiuwa over him for this team. If we can get other scorers on this team like Kuminga or Jalen Green then Achiuwa would a great glue guy. I doubt the Knicks will take him though. They prob will go after someone who can be more than a glue guy.

I actually want to see him on the Suns where he’s surrounded by scorers and good defenders. Think he fits the best there and they do need a better 4 next to Ayton.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't know. See for. yourself. In any event is that a bad thing?

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Obi can dunk, but Amare was just on another level athletically and way more skilled at 22.

My Dude, at 22 Amare was playing with HOF Steve Nash com'on. But Obi is still rising offensively and has a 3pt shot that Amare wouldn't be able to buy with a vintage case of wine.

Amare was playing like a hall of famer too. He had crazy moves in the paint and a mid range game that Obi doesn't have. He was one of the best players in the NBA at that time, and was on his way to a hall of fame career without injuries, etc.

Obi dominating the A-10 at 22 is nowhere close to Amare dominating the NBA at 22. You can put a lot of NBA bigs at 22 in the A-10 and they would probably dominate. Obi can be alright, I just dont see him dominating the NBA like that.

[mpharris36]

Gonna be a big steal to whichever team he goes to

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Give me Achiuwa over Toppin. Just a better fit in what I would envision the team looking like.

High volume players in Barrett, your point guard, and lets say Kuminga in next draft or a Booker trade - supported by high energy, high versatility in Achiuwa and Robinson. Just makes more sense unless you want Toppin to be one of your go to guys.

I like Toppin but I can see the argument for Achiuwa over him for this team. If we can get other scorers on this team like Kuminga or Jalen Green then Achiuwa would a great glue guy. I doubt the Knicks will take him though. They prob will go after someone who can be more than a glue guy.

I actually want to see him on the Suns where he’s surrounded by scorers and good defenders. Think he fits the best there and they do need a better 4 next to Ayton.

[3toheadmelo]

Give me Achiuwa over Toppin. Just a better fit in what I would envision the team looking like.

High volume players in Barrett, your point guard, and lets say Kuminga in next draft or a Booker trade - supported by high energy, high versatility in Achiuwa and Robinson. Just makes more sense unless you want Toppin to be one of your go to guys.

I like Toppin but I can see the argument for Achiuwa over him for this team. If we can get other scorers on this team like Kuminga or Jalen Green then Achiuwa would a great glue guy. I doubt the Knicks will take him though. They prob will go after someone who can be more than a glue guy.

I actually want to see him on the Suns where he’s surrounded by scorers and good defenders. Think he fits the best there and they do need a better 4 next to Ayton.

[moocow007]

Achiuwa has a very stiff and mechanical offensive game. He's also more of a small PF than a powerful SF. He has terrific straight line speed, is a fierce competitor but he doesn't possess the fluidity/agility to guard wings and doesn't really have an offensive game (he's very mechanical on that end). As a collegiate power player that works. I'm not sure how effective he'd be at the NBA level though with teams wanting their 4's to be able to play on the perimeter. Hard to come up with a comp.

[HEZI]

Obi is just as athletic as Amare was and he might even be more skilled than Amare was. The biggest difference is Amare had power and strength to go through guys and play through contact. Obi doesn't have that type of power but athleticism and skills he's there for sure.

Amare was never very skilled, he was always a tier below Duncan and KG and even a guy like Pau Gasol had more "skill" but when it came to speed, quickness and power, there were very few that could match Amare.

[mpharris36]

I like Toppin but I can see the argument for Achiuwa over him for this team. If we can get other scorers on this team like Kuminga or Jalen Green then Achiuwa would a great glue guy. I doubt the Knicks will take him though. They prob will go after someone who can be more than a glue guy.

I actually want to see him on the Suns where he’s surrounded by scorers and good defenders. Think he fits the best there and they do need a better 4 next to Ayton.

I think its either one of two guys for you...

[Zenzibar]

Obi can dunk, but Amare was just on another level athletically and way more skilled at 22.

My Dude, at 22 Amare was playing with HOF Steve Nash com'on. But Obi is still rising offensively and has a 3pt shot that Amare wouldn't be able to buy with a vintage case of wine.

Amare was playing like a hall of famer too. He had crazy moves in the paint and a mid range game that Obi doesn't have. He was one of the best players in the NBA at that time, and was on his way to a hall of fame career without injuries, etc.

Obi dominating the A-10 at 22 is nowhere close to Amare dominating the NBA at 22. You can put a lot of NBA bigs at 22 in the A-10 and they would probably dominate. Obi can be alright, I just dont see him dominating the NBA like that.

Absolutely. During one McDonald's high school game held at the garden, I got to see Amare and Anthony go at it. In one sequence Amare stole the ball and dunked in on the break. A young Melo came back and jab-stepped Amare on the block and finger-rolled it like nothing.
Both have had potentially HOF careers.

With this draft and what my point is, is that picking after 6 and Obi is there you need to jump on it. Either with a guard or not, that 1st pick has to add and be a big threat on offense in order to move this team a notch.

On another note and the good thing is that the 3 names being reported on are all good defensive coaches. The best outcome is to at least have Mike Miller around to continue his work on Mitch (Mitch returned to his dominating self after Miller became coach) and could help Toppin.

Lastly, most if not all of the later lottery picks have low scoring/offensive grades, whereas Obi will be an instant fan favorite due to his scoring.

[3toheadmelo]

I think its either one of two guys for you...

I hope we can somehow move the draft up. Or perhaps maybe only do the top 10 for now since all the guys that are projected to go in the top 10 has declared for the draft. What do you think

[3toheadmelo]

July 31 is target day to return season and Knicks won’t be playing

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[mpharris36]

I think its either one of two guys for you...

I hope we can somehow move the draft up. Or perhaps maybe only do the top 10 for now since all the guys that are projected to go in the top 10 has declared for the draft. What do you think

nah as much as I want to go right into the draft...I think we have to wait for all players to declare. Could get too tricky otherwise.

Im not very patient either but gotta have the draft when we know who has declared and when we can have it all at once.

[mpharris36]

July 31 is target day to return season and Knicks won’t be playing

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we can also start our coaching interviews right away too which is beneficial in the process

just call the season for the knicks

[Zenzibar]

But if you had a chance to draft a 22 year old Stat, you wouldn't? Some of you guys are buggin. If we drop past 7 and Obi is there you grab him and keep it moving, no question.

Agreed. People are acting like stat wasn't tearing up the league, to include Duncan in his prime, when he was healthy. Any resemblance of a young amare would be a gem drafting at 8.

If he's every bit as athletic as Stat I snatch him up in a hurry - defensive woes or no. But he' seems to be more on a John Collins level in terms of size and athleticism /explosion... or am I wrong on that?

Two things on John Collins. You know he plays with Trae and gets these nice lobs. John Collins going to the basket reminds me of Mitch.
Whereas Collins' handle is weak, Obi can create for himslef from the arc and edges. Obi's handle reminds me of Zion's taking it to the rim. Obi doesn't compete there with the quick hops, but Obi is already a threat from 3, 22 years old or not. Oh and BTW, you know who busts Collins ass regularly? Our very own Julius.

[mpharris36]

I think John Collins is a bit more nimble of an athlete then Obi. Obi moves well for his size don't get me wrong and is a crazy leaper.

But movement in traffic and lateral movement go to Collins for me....he just more fluid in his movements.

They do have very similar offensive games though.

[robillionaire]

That’s still 2 months away. They should have just cancelled the season. But at least the knicks are done. I’ll take it.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Obi is just as athletic as Amare was and he might even be more skilled than Amare was. The biggest difference is Amare had power and strength to go through guys and play through contact. Obi doesn't have that type of power but athleticism and skills he's there for sure.

Amare was never very skilled, he was always a tier below Duncan and KG and even a guy like Pau Gasol had more "skill" but when it came to speed, quickness and power, there were very few that could match Amare.

Amare was a very skilled scorer....one of the best in the NBA> You don't avg 37ppg against the Spurs in the playoffs at 22 without skills. Prime Amare was not that far below KG/Duncan. Offensively, he was on their level, maybe even better. Those guys were much better defensively so I would give them an edge overall. Amare made all NBA first or 2nd team basically during his prime when he was healthy. He was up there with the elite players.

At 22 he was dominating in the playoffs while avg 30 and 11 including avg 37 against the Spurs in the series. This performance was crazy. He was scoring from everywhere around the paint in multiple ways. Obi doesn't have that type of game. He is basically scoring around the rim or shooting 3's. Doesn't have anywhere close the type of midrange game or skills Amare had as a scorer at 22. Not many players do so it's more so how good Amare was then anything else.

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[Fury]

Obi is just as athletic as Amare was and he might even be more skilled than Amare was. The biggest difference is Amare had power and strength to go through guys and play through contact. Obi doesn't have that type of power but athleticism and skills he's there for sure.

Amare was never very skilled, he was always a tier below Duncan and KG and even a guy like Pau Gasol had more "skill" but when it came to speed, quickness and power, there were very few that could match Amare.

Amare was a very skilled scorer....one of the best in the NBA> You don't avg 37ppg against the Spurs in the playoffs at 22 without skills. Prime Amare was not that far below KG/Duncan. Offensively, he was on their level, maybe even better. Those guys were much better defensively so I would give them an edge overall. Amare made all NBA first or 2nd team basically during his prime when he was healthy. He was up there with the elite players.

At 22 he was dominating in the playoffs while avg 30 and 11 including avg 37 against the Spurs in the series. This performance was crazy. He was scoring from everywhere around the paint in multiple ways. Obi doesn't have that type of game. He is basically scoring around the rim or shooting 3's. Doesn't have anywhere close the type of midrange game or skills Amare had as a scorer at 22. Not many players do so it's more so how good Amare was then anything else.

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You can compare the dominance of his performance in that entire series to LeBron's game vs the Pistons. He was just so dominant and it felt like he scored on every play. He wasn't the same guy after surgery

[Zenzibar]

I think John Collins is a bit more nimble of an athlete then Obi. Obi moves well for his size don't get me wrong and is a crazy leaper.

But movement in traffic and lateral movement go to Collins for me....he just more fluid in his movements.

They do have very similar offensive games though.

Bro don't tell me you haven't seen how much of a quick reaction Obi has? It's rather elite. John Collins nimblesness offensively reminds more of Kenny Sky Walker

[RHODEY]

Agreed. People are acting like stat wasn't tearing up the league, to include Duncan in his prime, when he was healthy. Any resemblance of a young amare would be a gem drafting at 8.

If he's every bit as athletic as Stat I snatch him up in a hurry - defensive woes or no. But he' seems to be more on a John Collins level in terms of size and athleticism /explosion... or am I wrong on that?

Two things on John Collins. You know he plays with Trae and gets these nice lobs. John Collins going to the basket reminds me of Mitch.
Whereas Collins' handle is weak, Obi can create for himslef from the arc and edges. Obi's handle reminds me of Zion's taking it to the rim. Obi doesn't compete there with the quick hops, but Obi is already a threat from 3, 22 years old or not. Oh and BTW, you know who busts Collins ass regularly? Our very own Julius.

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OBi was a favorite of mine early on. Extremely exciting to watch him play...but Im not sure how well he would translate offensively against the grown men of the NBA. We do know he was getting pushed around on the college level...

I do like that he can pass and has a 3 ball...

[Zenzibar]

Obi is just as athletic as Amare was and he might even be more skilled than Amare was. The biggest difference is Amare had power and strength to go through guys and play through contact. Obi doesn't have that type of power but athleticism and skills he's there for sure.

Amare was never very skilled, he was always a tier below Duncan and KG and even a guy like Pau Gasol had more "skill" but when it came to speed, quickness and power, there were very few that could match Amare.

Amare was a very skilled scorer....one of the best in the NBA> You don't avg 37ppg against the Spurs in the playoffs at 22 without skills. Prime Amare was not that far below KG/Duncan. Offensively, he was on their level, maybe even better. Those guys were much better defensively so I would give them an edge overall. Amare made all NBA first or 2nd team basically during his prime when he was healthy. He was up there with the elite players.

At 22 he was dominating in the playoffs while avg 30 and 11 including avg 37 against the Spurs in the series. This performance was crazy. He was scoring from everywhere around the paint in multiple ways. Obi doesn't have that type of game. He is basically scoring around the rim or shooting 3's. Doesn't have anywhere close the type of midrange game or skills Amare had as a scorer at 22. Not many players do so it's more so how good Amare was then anything else.

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But Bro, Steve Nash unlessed Amare on the NBA. Put a lower salaried CP3 to unleash Obi and it'll help alot. Not comparing Stat's young dominance, but moreso, equally lucky to have a HOF point guard in Nash.