OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

So the big bombshell that McAuliffe was "caught" admitting is that the Biden team is completely fine letting Trump self-immolate while Biden can give strategically targeted speeches instead of full-scale campaigning?

Looking at the polling numbers, the only thing McAuliffe is admitting to in that clip is intelligence.

That's why the whole "mainstream media manufactures consent against Bernie" stuff is kind of nonsense. The progressive media puts out red meat like that, and that also manufactures consent into accepting the premise that Biden is failing right now when all evidence in the actual world says differently.

Krystal and Sagar and Cristo Avalis, etc... are no different than Fox News and Glen Beck just because you like the direction of their slant more.

Nice Joy Reid spin job. They’re hiding Biden because he’s a horrible candidate. Period. But if it makes you feel better to believe all that, be my guest. Clearly, they don’t believe that Biden is capable of handling this.

You keep complaining about the news sources I post because they upset and challenge your Neoliberal POV. Those views are no longer relevant. No one believes in that anymore. From M4A to GND to Major Police Reform and DEFUNDING them to all of it. And please don’t come back and tell me how “progressive” Biden is. The guy is practically a breathing corpse.

All I’m doing is fighting to convince others of the need for a progressive agenda to address the problems we face today. Nothing I’ve said in any way can be construed as not supporting Biden. I’ve said time and time again that if you live in a swing state you have to vote for Biden. What more do you want?

Edit: one more thing! What news sources Do you rely on to get “the truth”? I’ll wait.

[Clyde_Style]

So the big bombshell that McAuliffe was "caught" admitting is that the Biden team is completely fine letting Trump self-immolate while Biden can give strategically targeted speeches instead of full-scale campaigning?

Looking at the polling numbers, the only thing McAuliffe is admitting to in that clip is intelligence.

That's why the whole "mainstream media manufactures consent against Bernie" stuff is kind of nonsense. The progressive media puts out red meat like that, and that also manufactures consent into accepting the premise that Biden is failing right now when all evidence in the actual world says differently.

Krystal and Sagar and Cristo Avalis, etc... are no different than Fox News and Glen Beck just because you like the direction of their slant more.

Nice Joy Reid spin job. They’re hiding Biden because he’s a horrible candidate. Period. But if it makes you feel better to believe all that, be my guest. Clearly, they don’t believe that Biden is capable of handling this.

You keep complaining about the news sources I post because they upset and challenge your Neoliberal POV. Those views are no longer relevant. No one believes in that anymore. From M4A to GND to Major Police Reform and DEFUNDING them to all of it. And please don’t come back and tell me how “progressive” Biden is. The guy is practically a breathing corpse.

All I’m doing is fighting to convince others of the need for a progressive agenda to address the problems we face today. Nothing I’ve said in any way can be construed as not supporting Biden. I’ve said time and time again that if you live in a swing state you have to vote for Biden. What more do you want?

You're too lazy to watch that speech in Philly which clearly shows he is nothing of the sort, because it would undermine your willful ignorance, but go ahead and keep lying if that's what makes you tick

[HarthorneWingo]

So the big bombshell that McAuliffe was "caught" admitting is that the Biden team is completely fine letting Trump self-immolate while Biden can give strategically targeted speeches instead of full-scale campaigning?

Looking at the polling numbers, the only thing McAuliffe is admitting to in that clip is intelligence.

That's why the whole "mainstream media manufactures consent against Bernie" stuff is kind of nonsense. The progressive media puts out red meat like that, and that also manufactures consent into accepting the premise that Biden is failing right now when all evidence in the actual world says differently.

Krystal and Sagar and Cristo Avalis, etc... are no different than Fox News and Glen Beck just because you like the direction of their slant more.

Nice Joy Reid spin job. They’re hiding Biden because he’s a horrible candidate. Period. But if it makes you feel better to believe all that, be my guest. Clearly, they don’t believe that Biden is capable of handling this.

You keep complaining about the news sources I post because they upset and challenge your Neoliberal POV. Those views are no longer relevant. No one believes in that anymore. From M4A to GND to Major Police Reform and DEFUNDING them to all of it. And please don’t come back and tell me how “progressive” Biden is. The guy is practically a breathing corpse.

All I’m doing is fighting to convince others of the need for a progressive agenda to address the problems we face today. Nothing I’ve said in any way can be construed as not supporting Biden. I’ve said time and time again that if you live in a swing state you have to vote for Biden. What more do you want?

You're too lazy to watch that speech in Philly which clearly shows he is nothing of the sort, because it would undermine your willful ignorance, but go ahead and keep lying if that's what makes you tick

Greenie’s hacked Clyde_Style’s account.

If you post it, then I’ll gladly watch and then give you my review.

[Clyde_Style]

Nice Joy Reid spin job. They’re hiding Biden because he’s a horrible candidate. Period. But if it makes you feel better to believe all that, be my guest. Clearly, they don’t believe that Biden is capable of handling this.

You keep complaining about the news sources I post because they upset and challenge your Neoliberal POV. Those views are no longer relevant. No one believes in that anymore. From M4A to GND to Major Police Reform and DEFUNDING them to all of it. And please don’t come back and tell me how “progressive” Biden is. The guy is practically a breathing corpse.

All I’m doing is fighting to convince others of the need for a progressive agenda to address the problems we face today. Nothing I’ve said in any way can be construed as not supporting Biden. I’ve said time and time again that if you live in a swing state you have to vote for Biden. What more do you want?

You're too lazy to watch that speech in Philly which clearly shows he is nothing of the sort, because it would undermine your willful ignorance, but go ahead and keep lying if that's what makes you tick

Greenie’s hacked Clyde_Style’s account.

If you post it, then I’ll gladly watch and then give you my review.

I just posted it

[robillionaire]

I'm probably the only person who watched that thing a week ago when you posted it originally and I found it to be very boring and uninspiring, you apparently see it differently and that's okay. I want action, his refusal to stand with those calling to defund the police and instead plan to expand the police state by giving them 300 million was another disappointment.

[HarthorneWingo]

You're too lazy to watch that speech in Philly which clearly shows he is nothing of the sort, because it would undermine your willful ignorance, but go ahead and keep lying if that's what makes you tick

Greenie’s hacked Clyde_Style’s account.

If you post it, then I’ll gladly watch and then give you my review.

I just posted it

You did?

Spoiler:

[robillionaire]

Greenie’s hacked Clyde_Style’s account.

If you post it, then I’ll gladly watch and then give you my review.

I just posted it

You did?

Spoiler:

It's on the prior page, good luck

[HarthorneWingo]

I just posted it

You did?

Spoiler:

It's on the prior page, good luck

Yo, I was waiting for backup!

[GONYK]

So the big bombshell that McAuliffe was "caught" admitting is that the Biden team is completely fine letting Trump self-immolate while Biden can give strategically targeted speeches instead of full-scale campaigning?

Looking at the polling numbers, the only thing McAuliffe is admitting to in that clip is intelligence.

That's why the whole "mainstream media manufactures consent against Bernie" stuff is kind of nonsense. The progressive media puts out red meat like that, and that also manufactures consent into accepting the premise that Biden is failing right now when all evidence in the actual world says differently.

Krystal and Sagar and Cristo Avalis, etc... are no different than Fox News and Glen Beck just because you like the direction of their slant more.

Nice Joy Reid spin job. They’re hiding Biden because he’s a horrible candidate. Period. But if it makes you feel better to believe all that, be my guest. Clearly, they don’t believe that Biden is capable of handling this.

And yet he kicked Bernie's teeth in and is performing pretty well by any objective measurement now. Interesting.

You keep complaining about the news sources I post because they upset and challenge your Neoliberal POV.

I don't complain. I just point out that they are biased nonsense. Is your definition of Neoliberal anyone who doesn't like the Fox News of the left and is interested in actually winning elections?

Those views are no longer relevant. No one believes in that anymore. From M4A to GND to Major Police Reform and DEFUNDING them to all of it. And please don’t come back and tell me how “progressive” Biden is. The guy is practically a breathing corpse.

Those views are no longer relevant to anyone accept the 14M people who actually voted for Biden instead of Bernie when given the choice, I guess.

How progressive Biden is or is not is irrelevant. He's who the people chose. What people on Twitter who don't vote say they want doesn't really matter.

All I’m doing is fighting to convince others of the need for a progressive agenda to address the problems we face today. Nothing I’ve said in any way can be construed as not supporting Biden. I’ve said time and time again that if you live in a swing state you have to vote for Biden. What more do you want?

You can extol the virtues of the progressive agenda without constantly throwing a tantrum about Biden being the nominee and posting news that doesn't acknowledge reality or act like 16 year olds going through their first election. Pretty much every other poster in this thread has accomplished that task

Edit: one more thing! What news sources Do you rely on to get “the truth”? I’ll wait.

We had this conversation already where I told you. I also already told you that if you want anything else from me, you need to lay out why Nate Silver is an illegitimate source of info.

I'll wait.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm probably the only person who watched that thing a week ago when you posted it originally and I found it to be very boring and uninspiring, you apparently see it differently and that's okay. I want action, his refusal to stand with those calling to defund the police and instead plan to expand the police state by giving them 300 million was another disappointment.

Well, I'm glad you took the time.

Whether he is not fully on brand for you is a different matter though.

I was trying to defuse the toxic lies spread by leftists who claim he's senile or hiding. It's just trashy nonsense.

I don't even disagree with you about wanting action. Nothing is concrete yet, but you do have to wait for him to gain the office to be able to back up his words.

So even if you're not confident enough to say you believe everything, it is also fair to say he's talking about the right things at the right time contrary to the disinfo propogated by other people who should know better.

[HarthorneWingo]

I suppose this is “bogus news”?

Watch on YouTube

[GONYK]

I suppose this is “bogus news”?

Watch on YouTube

It's not news at all. The only facts that were relayed was that Mckayla Wilkes is challenging Steny Hoyer and Hoyer has taken out ads.

The rest is that guy's opinion. Opinions aren't news.

Now, that doesn't mean it's not interesting. Hoyer changing up his reelection campaign strategy is worth watching.

With no polling coming out for the Maryland house races yet though, we don't know if it means anything yet

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm probably the only person who watched that thing a week ago when you posted it originally and I found it to be very boring and uninspiring, you apparently see it differently and that's okay. I want action, his refusal to stand with those calling to defund the police and instead plan to expand the police state by giving them 300 million was another disappointment.

Well, I'm glad you took the time.

Whether he is not fully on brand for you is a different matter though.

I was trying to defuse the toxic lies spread by leftists who claim he's senile or hiding. It's just trashy nonsense.

I don't even disagree with you about wanting action. Nothing is concrete yet, but you do have to wait for him to gain the office to be able to back up his words.

So even if you're not confident enough to say you believe everything, it is also fair to say he's talking about the right things at the right time contrary to the disinfo propogated by other people who should know better.

Are you blind and deaf? McAullife said it point blank. “Keep Biden in the basement.”

[Clyde_Style]

I'm probably the only person who watched that thing a week ago when you posted it originally and I found it to be very boring and uninspiring, you apparently see it differently and that's okay. I want action, his refusal to stand with those calling to defund the police and instead plan to expand the police state by giving them 300 million was another disappointment.

Well, I'm glad you took the time.

Whether he is not fully on brand for you is a different matter though.

I was trying to defuse the toxic lies spread by leftists who claim he's senile or hiding. It's just trashy nonsense.

I don't even disagree with you about wanting action. Nothing is concrete yet, but you do have to wait for him to gain the office to be able to back up his words.

So even if you're not confident enough to say you believe everything, it is also fair to say he's talking about the right things at the right time contrary to the disinfo propogated by other people who should know better.

Are you blind and deaf? McAullife said it point blank. “Keep Biden in the basement.”

yet he has been in public numerous times

As both GONYK and I have made it perfectly clear to you, letting Trump set himself on fire is working brilliantly, but here you are still acting like a 12 year old brat throwing mud

[Stannis]

Read on Twitter

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I got no doubt in my mind if Atlanta had better than usual voter turnout, Georgia would be blue.

But it's almost impossible when they always have issues like this.

This is just a peek into the November election. If it's this bad, it will be 10x worst comes November.

Im hoping dems can bring this to attention and force a fix by November. And keep pushing mail in ballots

[CharlesOakley]

Dems don't give a **** about voter suppression. Every election it gets worse and they do nothing.

[GONYK]

Dems don't give a **** about voter suppression. Every election it gets worse and they do nothing.

They don't win enough local elections, so they are mostly powerless do anything about things like voter suppression.

Dems generally don't vote enough period. They have no one to blame but themselves.

This is a good sign though:

Read on Twitter

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[j4remi]

So the big bombshell that McAuliffe was "caught" admitting is that the Biden team is completely fine letting Trump self-immolate while Biden can give strategically targeted speeches instead of full-scale campaigning?

Looking at the polling numbers, the only thing McAuliffe is admitting to in that clip is intelligence.

That's why the whole "mainstream media manufactures consent against Bernie" stuff is kind of nonsense. The progressive media puts out red meat like that, and that also manufactures consent into accepting the premise that Biden is failing right now when all evidence in the actual world says differently.

Krystal and Sagar and Cristo Avalis, etc... are no different than Fox News and Glen Beck just because you like the direction of their slant more.

It's not just about slant when you reference Chomsky, scope and reach of messaging is key. While I do think social media communities fall into bubbles that kinda apply as microcosms of the concept; you'd have to expand big time on the reach and impact to get to the types of widespread acceptance you need for the idea behind manufactured consent.

You can't really compare the AM radio machine and the most watched news channel in a nation to some Youtube shows because the reach matters. Manufacturing consent isn't Jimmy Dore screaming about "the Dems" with ridiculous half-truths; it's Florida's state government turning the phrase "Climate Change" into the "Voldemort" and refusing to let any official documents use the wording. Both have slants, one just has a helluva lot more impact.

Also, every time someone brings up manufacturing consent, I like to callback to the citations needed podcast. You can find their breakdowns with citations and expert input about all sorts of different media messaging mechanisms. The latest few episodes have covered aspects of media treating the Floyd protests and the last one is all about the cancellations of reality Police shows which we laughed about yesterday. But they show the weight of those shows which is pretty cool.

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/news-brief-the-growing-pushback-to-copaganda

[HarthorneWingo]

How did this not make national news last year?

Victim (black man): I can’t breathe

Cop: I don’t care

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/derrick-scott-oklahoma-city-police_n_5ee21230c5b6b39142ae0332

[j4remi]

I'm probably the only person who watched that thing a week ago when you posted it originally and I found it to be very boring and uninspiring, you apparently see it differently and that's okay. I want action, his refusal to stand with those calling to defund the police and instead plan to expand the police state by giving them 300 million was another disappointment.

It was okay in a "beggars can't be choosers" kinda way, but how Clyde's referencing it you'd think we've got another Obama or Bill Clinton level orator in the mix or some titan of revolution. Biden's always gonna be "meh" by comparison, we're just watching for composure at this point.