NBA is Officially Back (Official Thread)

[beanbag]

Players are start to push back as to not going back to play......

Maybe this return to play isn’t such a sure thing after all.....

The NBA (and NHL for that matter) seem to have spent all their time and energy on a return to play format and little to no time at all conveying what the safety measures would be to the players. The "bubble" the league has just outlined isn't a bubble at all.

[mintsa]

Players are start to push back as to not going back to play......

Maybe this return to play isn’t such a sure thing after all.....

The NBA (and NHL for that matter) seem to have spent all their time and energy on a return to play format and little to no time at all conveying what the safety measures would be to the players. The "bubble" the league has just outlined isn't a bubble at all.

Yup. I think the nba is just feeding the “return” to
Drive up interest but in reality it’s not close to being real with all the good and bad and safety etc etc....

Yes I’m a glass half empty kinda guy.

[Logicbro]

NBA is better off playing in Canada, Vancouver and Toronto

[Psubs]

Setup up UV or whatever to filter the HVAC system.

Read on Twitter

aka telling the wives that if they don't satisfy the tv contract then cap will go way down and new contracts may be $1 million less per year. So $4 million on a 4 year deal. For example, perhaps $2 million per year on those around $25-30 million, so $8 million on the life of a new contract.

[Psubs]

NBA is better off playing in Canada, Vancouver and Toronto

Not Toronto, as still not doing that great (GTA and Quebec are still not great but the rest of Canada would be a good idea). Vancouver sure.

[Logicbro]

Ontario has really dropped in the last few days as of today only 182 new cases on 28000 tests. So much better compared to Florida who are headed in the wrong direction with 1900 positives per day.

NBA is better off playing in Canada, Vancouver and Toronto

Not Toronto, as still not doing that great (GTA and Quebec are still not great but the rest of Canada would be a good idea). Vancouver sure.

[beanbag]

Setup up UV or whatever to filter the HVAC system.

Read on Twitter

aka telling the wives that if they don't satisfy the tv contract then cap will go way down and new contracts may be $1 million less per year. So $4 million on a 4 year deal. For example, perhaps $2 million per year on those around $25-30 million, so $8 million on the life of a new contract.

Ah yes, invoking the "women be shopping" clause.

[right between the eyes]

Kyrie is quickly becoming one of my least favorite players...of course he's leading the charge against players returning and he's injured FFS

[Wo1verine]

Who cares about the players who don't want to play they can stay home - I'm ready for some NBA!

[ash_k]

I dont understand what the problem is..Bundesliga is in his 4th week...Spain has just restarted ...England starting next week..same with Italy...and all those leagues are NOT using the bubble city concept (which is the safest).
We know LeBron wants to play...
I hope that thing about injury-prone Kyrie pushing the "revolt" is just a rumor..I really hope so.

[TheAlchemist]

The one thing that PISSED the hell out of me is the fact that Carmello OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE NBA, is the one speaking out about not playing.

Like Biszh puh lease.

This is why nobody wanted to even sign the guy. Toxic, selfish and only looks out for himself. The average NBA player would lose so much money.

[beanbag]

The one thing that PISSED the hell out of me is the fact that Carmello OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE NBA, is the one speaking out about not playing.

Like Biszh puh lease.

This is why nobody wanted to even sign the guy. Toxic, selfish and only looks out for himself. The average NBA player would lose so much money.

Speaking out against playing is literally the opposite of selfish. It is being willing to take less (or no) money because of what is going on. It's putting safety and/or principles over economics.

[redraptor77]

The one thing that PISSED the hell out of me is the fact that Carmello OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE NBA, is the one speaking out about not playing.

Like Biszh puh lease.

This is why nobody wanted to even sign the guy. Toxic, selfish and only looks out for himself. The average NBA player would lose so much money.

Speaking out against playing is literally the opposite of selfish. It is being willing to take less (or no) money because of what is going on. It's putting safety and/or principles over economics.

Yeah depends on your perspective.
It’s easy for an established, older player that made millions upon millions to influence others not to play. He is set. He loses nothing but is risking the lively good of others for what reason? Principle?
What is the risk they are facing?
Easy to have principles when you have 100M in you account and expect the guy that makes 750K to lose earnings of a short lived career

Does that sound unselfish or selfish? perhaps hurting the future of his younger less talent teammates?
Perhaps hurting the league for years to come?
Again what is the actual risk they face? Age, health and health services are in their favour.
I don’t care one way or another it’s their lively hood and

[beanbag]

The one thing that PISSED the hell out of me is the fact that Carmello OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE NBA, is the one speaking out about not playing.

Like Biszh puh lease.

This is why nobody wanted to even sign the guy. Toxic, selfish and only looks out for himself. The average NBA player would lose so much money.

Speaking out against playing is literally the opposite of selfish. It is being willing to take less (or no) money because of what is going on. It's putting safety and/or principles over economics.

Yeah depends on your perspective.
It’s easy for an established, older player that made millions upon millions to influence others not to play. He is set. He loses nothing but is risking the lively good of others for what reason? Principle?
What is the risk they are facing?
Easy to have principles when you have 100M in you account and expect the guy that makes 750K to lose earnings of a short lived career

Does that sound unselfish or selfish? perhaps hurting the future of his younger less talent teammates?
Perhaps hurting the league for years to come?
Again what is the actual risk they face? Age, health and health services are in their favour.
I don’t care one way or another it’s their lively hood and

Uh, did you want to finish your thought or....

[redraptor77]

Speaking out against playing is literally the opposite of selfish. It is being willing to take less (or no) money because of what is going on. It's putting safety and/or principles over economics.

Yeah depends on your perspective.
It’s easy for an established, older player that made millions upon millions to influence others not to play. He is set. He loses nothing but is risking the lively good of others for what reason? Principle?
What is the risk they are facing?
Easy to have principles when you have 100M in you account and expect the guy that makes 750K to lose earnings of a short lived career

Does that sound unselfish or selfish? perhaps hurting the future of his younger less talent teammates?
Perhaps hurting the league for years to come?
Again what is the actual risk they face? Age, health and health services are in their favour.
I don’t care one way or another it’s their lively hood and

Uh, did you want to finish your thought or....

Haha on the iPhone thought I was finished it.
The last part was that it’s their decision and their lively hood they are risking. I just hope they are doing this based on facts with proper intent.
I understand some of the reasoning is not based on COVID but I don’t understand the correlation or the end game. It could diminish such a great world wide league.
Personally I rather the NBA and NHL punt it till next season with fans and when medical practitioners have a better grasp on how to handle it.

[beanbag]

Yeah depends on your perspective.
It’s easy for an established, older player that made millions upon millions to influence others not to play. He is set. He loses nothing but is risking the lively good of others for what reason? Principle?
What is the risk they are facing?
Easy to have principles when you have 100M in you account and expect the guy that makes 750K to lose earnings of a short lived career

Does that sound unselfish or selfish? perhaps hurting the future of his younger less talent teammates?
Perhaps hurting the league for years to come?
Again what is the actual risk they face? Age, health and health services are in their favour.
I don’t care one way or another it’s their lively hood and

Uh, did you want to finish your thought or....

Haha on the iPhone thought I was finished it.
The last part was that it’s their decision and their lively hood they are risking. I just hope they are doing this based on facts with proper intent.
I understand some of the reasoning is not based on COVID but I don’t understand the correlation or the end game. It could diminish such a great world wide league.
Personally I rather the NBA and NHL punt it till next season with fans and when medical practitioners have a better grasp on how to handle it.

It sounds like it isn't just established players who are sharing this view. It's older players, younger players, players who are concerned about safety, players who are worried a return would take the spotlight away on the politics of black lives.

To me, it doesn't seem fair to paint them as selfish. These are valid reasons. Are players going to lose money if they don't return to play? Yes, but the causes here are not ones I would consider selfish.

[Zeno]

Kyrie is quickly becoming one of my least favorite players...of course he's leading the charge against players returning and he's injured FFS

Yeah, he seems pretty hard to like but at the same time so does Woj. He seems like an absolute slime ball and that article was a complete hatchet job. The NBA, NBAPA and Disney seems to have really back-roomed the whole plan. Irving being part of that backroom and then complaining makes him look like an **** for sure but it is really besides the point. I'd be pissed to not have been properly informed and consulted if I were an average NBA player.

[redraptor77]

Uh, did you want to finish your thought or....

Haha on the iPhone thought I was finished it.
The last part was that it’s their decision and their lively hood they are risking. I just hope they are doing this based on facts with proper intent.
I understand some of the reasoning is not based on COVID but I don’t understand the correlation or the end game. It could diminish such a great world wide league.
Personally I rather the NBA and NHL punt it till next season with fans and when medical practitioners have a better grasp on how to handle it.

It sounds like it isn't just established players who are sharing this view. It's older players, younger players, players who are concerned about safety, players who are worried a return would take the spotlight away on the politics of black lives.

To me, it doesn't seem fair to paint them as selfish. These are valid reasons. Are players going to lose money if they don't return to play? Yes, but the causes here are not ones I would consider selfish.

Like I said its their lively hood at stake.
I hope they are doing what they are doing with good intent. I don’t know the conversations behind closed doors. It does seems like it’s stemming from the more well off players based on reports. The main leader is a player that wasnt going to play this year anyway and another that his team wasn’t going to make the playoffs.

The safety issue I can somewhat comprehend but not completely bought in. I cannot believe they are at a greater risk by playing (minus the travel) then most of us daily. Most people are working, going to grab groceries, gas, McDonalds, Timmies, Home Depots. Those places are still running and those people are exposed to the general public daily and run a much higher risk of exposure. Wth precautions it can lower the risk. I haven’t missed one day of work thus far. Again it depends on the definition of safety we are speaking. Illness vs death? In terms of death it would be so small a % for the nba demographic that I cannot see that as a risk. I’m sure players with health concerns would have valid reason not to play. For me as a fan I love watching and going live so this experience isn’t as enjoyable.
Don’t get me wrong Raps win I will love it. Not the same when you cannot attend or see fans.

In terms of politic of black lives I some what understand but not bought in. NBA is probably the most outspoken league for social issues and provides a lot of latitude for their players to speak their minds.
The league is predominantly young black Americans who make millions of dollars playing a sport that most of us would kill to have that chance. Hell most of us pay to play sports.
The revenue they generate could help communities and influence real change. Jordan, Shaq, Magic these guys own corporations globally. The amount of good they can do with their income is crazy.
Create opportunities for communities, influence politics, buy newspapers, TV stations, support education. Heck they could rebuild entire communities if they chose to.
By not playing and cutting the revenue for these players how does that help matters?
By reducing visibility of minorities how does that help?
It would hurt the ability for these opportunities and I don’t see how it’s going to change a thing.
At the end of the day if they don’t want to play there will be a million other guys that would die for that opportunity and the league will continue.
Guys retire, guys get injured, the league will continue. Why hurt a league that provides so much globally, specifically to black Americans and your self?
I just see that it would hurt the black politics more then help long term. They could use that revenue to influence the drive in so any ways.
Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

It seems that the word selfish can only be used if we know the true intent. It just seems weird that the two main influencers are guys not effected by playing.
End of the day it’s up to them. I don’t think anyone should really be upset one way or another. It’s just a game. It’s their decision. It’s been a year unlike any other.

[pilkoids]

I wonder if the players talking about sitting out have really thought through the implications - not just for this season, but for the next few ones.

Not many will be surprised if Covid makes another comeback in a few months and last in shutdown type severity for a another 3 or 4 months, eating into the next NBA season. What if its recurring? With salaries going down as well, I'm not sure some of the more middle of the road players (especially the ones on contract years) risk voluntarily sitting out in case it sends the wrong message to all the other teams

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[Westside Gunn]

Like I said its their lively hood at stake.
I hope they are doing what they are doing with good intent. I don’t know the conversations behind closed doors. It does seems like it’s stemming from the more well off players based on reports. The main leader is a player that wasnt going to play this year anyway and another that his team wasn’t going to make the playoffs.

Not all NBA players come from a lively hood. A lot of them come from good neighborhoods now.