What are examples of coaches ruining a team through bad behaviors or awful coaching decisions?

[Cactus Jack]

George Karl

Blew so many chances in Seattle. Not putting GP on Jordan to start the Finals.

Trading Ray Allen in his prime for Payton.

Not listening to his own players was a flaw George Karl had. It was always what he said or nothing and it hurt his chance at having success too. I remember watching him Coaching and you just knew the guy was his own enemy.

Speaking of Karl:

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Whitsitt, then Trail Blazers GM, said he called Sonics GM and president Wally Walker and proposed a deal knowing Kendall didn't "really fit for George," and Clyde was "salivating to win it." That same year, Michael Jordan left the Bulls to play baseball, giving the Sonics a clear path to the championship and Drexler could have been the missing piece.

But Walker instead questioned Whitsitt's motives, thinking it must be a bad deal for Seattle and a deal never came to fruition between the archnemeses.

[hippesthippo]

Interesting take considering that he took both of those squads further than they had ever gone. Minnesota went from lottery team to playoff team, back to lottery team in the blink of an eye with essentially the same core.

Never said he didn't make them good. Doesn't mean he didn't also ruin them.

Nah. Can't speak for Minnesota but here with the Bulls he didn't. It's pretty well documented that the old F.O. undermines their coaches. Everybody knew well in advance of Thibs last season that Gar wanted him out and Hoiberg in. Much like Krause did with Jackson/Floyd.

He ran his players into the ground. We all saw it.

[Dominator83]

Never said he didn't make them good. Doesn't mean he didn't also ruin them.

Nah. Can't speak for Minnesota but here with the Bulls he didn't. It's pretty well documented that the old F.O. undermines their coaches. Everybody knew well in advance of Thibs last season that Gar wanted him out and Hoiberg in. Much like Krause did with Jackson/Floyd.

He ran his players into the ground. We all saw it.

That's overrated. Lots of guys get hurt and lots of good young players played a lot of minutes. Even the original load management poster, Tim Duncan, played huge minutes when he was south of 30.

The 48 minutes is arbitrary too. If games were only 40 minutes, suddenly 33 minutes would be " running a guy into the ground" if games were 36 minutes, 30 minutes would be "running a guy into the ground". If games were 1 hour like hockey and football, suddenly 40-45 minutes would seem about right

[ShazamDaShiznt]

definitely george karl, one of the most overrated coaches of all time who coaches the team how he feels. They may still lose to bulls in 96 if done right rotations, but 94 and 95 they don't choke that badly with a better coach. That sonics squad was STACKED.

thibbs ruined the bulls with his lack of minutes restriction, after 2012 it was over for them. Ruined wolves too by trading away young players for one year rental of Jimmy + other guys Thibbs coached in Chicago. If Knicks sign him up they gon see the same ol story.

[Ben-N1ce]

Brad Stevens couldn't tell Kyrie what government meant to him so he lost him.

[hippesthippo]

Nah. Can't speak for Minnesota but here with the Bulls he didn't. It's pretty well documented that the old F.O. undermines their coaches. Everybody knew well in advance of Thibs last season that Gar wanted him out and Hoiberg in. Much like Krause did with Jackson/Floyd.

He ran his players into the ground. We all saw it.

That's overrated. Lots of guys get hurt and lots of good young players played a lot of minutes. Even the original load management poster, Tim Duncan, played huge minutes when he was south of 30.

The 48 minutes is arbitrary too. If games were only 40 minutes, suddenly 33 minutes would be " running a guy into the ground" if games were 36 minutes, 30 minutes would be "running a guy into the ground". If games were 1 hour like hockey and football, suddenly 40-45 minutes would seem about right

I may have agreed with you before he went to Minnesota.

Fool me once..

[Sedale Threatt]

Certainly coaching Wilt Chamberlain was no joy, but you'd be hard-pressed to top Butch Van Breda Kolff. Waged a year-long feud with Chamberlain, starting before he'd even arrived in L.A., culminating in his refusal to put him back in Game 7 of the 1969 Finals for the final 5:45 after Wilt tweaked his knee and asked to come out. L.A. loses the game and series and Van Breda Kolff was fired, never to coach in another NBA playoff game again.