OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[Dresden]

Hopefully they'll be smart about how they do it, and have some events outdoors. But I doubt they will.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243452186.html

But the number of new cases is only part of the statewide picture when it comes to determining whether we’re experiencing a second wave of COVID-19 infections. While the overall number of positive cases has spiked in the past two days, the percentage of positive COVID-19 tests — out of all the results reported in a day — has declined over the same time period, as the state provides testing to more people.

Miami/Dade also had a big backlog of thousands of tests due to equipment failures at a couple of labs in Miami, which was resolved recently.

I think statewide were over 30k tests a day on average and its running much more smoothly now according to local news. We had a couple of sites with ridiculously long delays to get results as the labs got their act together. Much of that has improved.

That's good news. I see the same thing here in the the Bay Area- the results have to be interpreted to account for increase in testing. I guess the important numbers are the increase in hospitalizations, and the increase in % testing positive. Still, the idea of thousands of people gathering together at a political convention, not wearing masks or social distancing doesn't sound like a good idea right now.

[_txchilibowl_]

It's hard to take any of the numbers coming out of Florida very seriously considering their "leadership" continues to hide information from the public...

[Dresden]

Wear those masks, people:

"A new study from UK researchers found that requiring individuals to wear face masks all the time could be enough to contain an outbreak on its own with no lockdown — even if the masks were only 50% effective at trapping infectious particles when a person exhales.

"These results are striking in that the benefits accrue to the face mask wearer as well as to the population as a whole," the researchers wrote. "There is, therefore, a clear incentive for people to adopt face mask wearing."

The researchers found that face masks can decrease transmission even if just 25% of the population wears them, though not by much. If half of the population wore them, however, that might slow an outbreak (but not prevent it), according to the study. The more people wore face masks, the researchers determined, the closer a community could get to containing its outbreak.

This aligns with research from Arizona State University, which found that "broad adoption of even relatively ineffective face masks may meaningfully reduce community transmission of COVID-19."

The university's models determined that near-universal adoption of face masks in New York state could prevent up to 45% of projected deaths over two months — even if face masks were only 50% effective. In Washington state, face masks that were only 20% effective but worn by most of the population could still reduce mortality by up to 65%, the researchers found."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-health-official-got-many-225600314.html

[dice]

-70% of epidemiologists expect to be comfortable sending their children back to school/day care/camp by the fall

-china is spreading COVID-19 misinformation on fake twitter accounts

-most states not reporting probable but untested cases to CDC

[Dresden]

A little personal note- I got tested for Covid today at the recommendation of my doctor- results were negative. I had had an intermittent fever for about a week with some sinus congestion. The test was not nearly as bad as I expected- the throat swab was worse than the nose swab actually. I got it done at a drive up facility- fast and easy and got the results in about 12 hours.

[Dresden]

The US is not done with the coronavirus pandemic, and a Harvard expert says we need to shift the blame game from reopening to fixing our testing and contact tracing system


Business InsiderJune 13, 2020, 12:25 AM PDT

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-not-done-coronavirus-pandemic-072551438.html

Article basically saying that re-opening is not the problem- the problem is we aren't doing enough testing/tracing, which is what the successful countries like Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, and South Korea have done. And says it's a myth that we don't have the capacity to do that.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

Wear those masks, people:

"A new study from UK researchers found that requiring individuals to wear face masks all the time could be enough to contain an outbreak on its own with no lockdown — even if the masks were only 50% effective at trapping infectious particles when a person exhales.

"These results are striking in that the benefits accrue to the face mask wearer as well as to the population as a whole," the researchers wrote. "There is, therefore, a clear incentive for people to adopt face mask wearing."

The researchers found that face masks can decrease transmission even if just 25% of the population wears them, though not by much. If half of the population wore them, however, that might slow an outbreak (but not prevent it), according to the study. The more people wore face masks, the researchers determined, the closer a community could get to containing its outbreak.

This aligns with research from Arizona State University, which found that "broad adoption of even relatively ineffective face masks may meaningfully reduce community transmission of COVID-19."

The university's models determined that near-universal adoption of face masks in New York state could prevent up to 45% of projected deaths over two months — even if face masks were only 50% effective. In Washington state, face masks that were only 20% effective but worn by most of the population could still reduce mortality by up to 65%, the researchers found."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-health-official-got-many-225600314.html

This is the kind of thing I wish I could share with the handful of co-workers at the office who have questioned why I even bother with a mask.

About 25-35% have been wearing masks in my office that can normally house about 200-250 employees and now houses about 60 with most teleworking. No one I know has gotten sick so far, though I notice an uptick in sneezing whenever they bring more new people on.

[johnnyvann840]

A little personal note- I got tested for Covid today at the recommendation of my doctor- results were negative. I had had an intermittent fever for about a week with some sinus congestion. The test was not nearly as bad as I expected- the throat swab was worse than the nose swab actually. I got it done at a drive up facility- fast and easy and got the results in about 12 hours.

Good to hear you're negative. Stay safe.

[Dresden]

A little personal note- I got tested for Covid today at the recommendation of my doctor- results were negative. I had had an intermittent fever for about a week with some sinus congestion. The test was not nearly as bad as I expected- the throat swab was worse than the nose swab actually. I got it done at a drive up facility- fast and easy and got the results in about 12 hours.

Good to hear you're negative. Stay safe.

Thanks.

[dice]

Wear those masks, people:

"A new study from UK researchers found that requiring individuals to wear face masks all the time could be enough to contain an outbreak on its own with no lockdown — even if the masks were only 50% effective at trapping infectious particles when a person exhales.

"These results are striking in that the benefits accrue to the face mask wearer as well as to the population as a whole," the researchers wrote. "There is, therefore, a clear incentive for people to adopt face mask wearing."

The researchers found that face masks can decrease transmission even if just 25% of the population wears them, though not by much. If half of the population wore them, however, that might slow an outbreak (but not prevent it), according to the study. The more people wore face masks, the researchers determined, the closer a community could get to containing its outbreak.

This aligns with research from Arizona State University, which found that "broad adoption of even relatively ineffective face masks may meaningfully reduce community transmission of COVID-19."

The university's models determined that near-universal adoption of face masks in New York state could prevent up to 45% of projected deaths over two months — even if face masks were only 50% effective. In Washington state, face masks that were only 20% effective but worn by most of the population could still reduce mortality by up to 65%, the researchers found."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-health-official-got-many-225600314.html

This is the kind of thing I wish I could share with the handful of co-workers at the office who have questioned why I even bother with a mask.

tell them it's mainly to protect the older workers

[Dresden]

Interesting read on why countries lead by women seem to be doing better in handling the pandemic than those lead by men:

What the Pandemic Reveals About the Male Ego
Why are the rates of coronavirus deaths far lower in many female-led countries?

Nicholas Kristof
NYT

...“We often joke that men drivers never ask for directions,” observed Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel of the University of Pennsylvania. “I actually think there’s something to that also in terms of women’s leadership, in terms of recognizing expertise and asking experts for advice, and men sort of barreling ahead like they got it.”

He has a point. Those leaders who handled the virus best were those who humbly consulted public health experts and acted quickly, and many were women; in contrast, male authoritarians who botched the response were suspicious of experts and too full of themselves."


Here in San Francisco, we have a woman mayor, and she did a great job of seeking and following the advice of knowledgeable health officials who could see that SF, with it's large Asian population, stood a good chance of being hit hard, and so took the action of closing down the city before almost anywhere else in the country did. And it saved a lot of lives.

[_txchilibowl_]

The answer you seek is...yes....Melania would have done better.

[The Box Office]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

[dice]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

i would say that if you do you should tell her why. otherwise it doesn't serve any purpose. or you can get a haircut like usual and don't say anything. or you can get the haircut and tell her you didn't like the video she shared as you give her a nice tip

[_txchilibowl_]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

i would say that if you do you should tell her why. otherwise it doesn't serve any purpose. or you can get a haircut like usual and don't say anything. or you can get the haircut and tell her you didn't like the video she shared as you give her a nice tip

Pro-Tip - tell her AFTER the haircut

[dice]

FL governor ordered a million doses of hydroxycloroquine and nobody wants it:

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/11/florida-ordered-1-million-doses-of-a-trump-touted-drug-hospitals-didnt-want-it-1292638

[dice]

in michael lewis's 2018 book 'the fifth risk' he asks the chief risk officer at the department of energy john macwilliams for his top 5 risks. the answer:

1) accidents w/ nukes and climate change
2) attack on our electrical grid (china and n korea have been trying to do so)
3) iran nuclear deal falling apart, which would ratchet up the probability of nuclear war
4) n korea developing nukes
5) project management, such as responding to long-term risks w/ short-term solutions. like trump cutting the budget of managing 200 square miles of nuclear risks at a decommissioned plutonium production factory in hanford, WA. and like his elimination of the pandemic response team in may 2018

https://time.com/5792015/trump-coronavirus-vacancies/

apparently trump fired his entire transition team shortly after the election. another one was not created until a month before taking office, headed by steve bannon. nobody ever got briefings on how the federal agencies run. nobody bothered to call macwilliams, who had been working on trying to mitigate 138 different energy risks for the previous 4 years. the DOA manages our nukes and nuclear material. lewis was the first person macwilliams had briefed, a year after trump took office

[Dresden]

in michael lewis's 2018 book 'the fifth risk' he asks the chief risk officer at the department of energy john macwilliams for his top 5 risks. the answer:

1) accidents w/ nukes and climate change
2) attack on our electrical grid (china and n korea have been trying to do so)
3) iran nuclear deal falling apart, which would ratchet up the probability of nuclear war
4) n korea developing nukes
5) project management, such as responding to long-term risks w/ short-term solutions. like trump cutting the budget of managing 200 square miles of nuclear risks at a decommissioned plutonium production factory in hanford, WA. and like his elimination of the pandemic response team in may 2018

https://time.com/5792015/trump-coronavirus-vacancies/

apparently trump fired his entire transition team shortly after the election. another one was not created until a month before taking office, headed by steve bannon. nobody ever got briefings on how the federal agencies run. nobody bothered to call macwilliams, who had been working on trying to mitigate 138 different energy risks for the previous 4 years. the DOA manages our nukes and nuclear material. lewis was the first person macwilliams had briefed, a year after trump took office

Trump probably felt that since he understood viruses so well (that he could have become a scientist), he didn't need a whole pandemic team to advice him on this.

[GetBuLLish]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

Not only should you cancel your appointment, you should also try to get her fired!

[Red8911]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

Why does that matter? If you have some kind of relationship with a republican or trump supporter and then he finds out you’re a Democrat would you like it if he just stops talking to you because of that? That’s ridiculous, why is everything about politics?

At the end of the day we are Americans and don’t need to agree on everything. We all can have our own opinions but what you’re saying now is you only want to talk to people that share your opinion. That’s not right. There’s a lot of trump supporters, can’t act like that.

Besides why do you even have to talk to your barber about politics? If you like the barbers service then go get your cut and thats it. Doesn’t matter who he supports.