Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

FAH1223 · Post #1221 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:12 am

Hillary's favorables on June 18, 2016?

38% favorable
56% unfavorable

Biden is in net positive with favorability and voters over 65 have swung to him. Completely different race from 2016.

Wizardspride · Post #1222 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:28 am

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Hillary's favorables on June 18, 2016?

38% favorable
56% unfavorable

Biden is in net positive with favorability and voters over 65 have swung to him. Completely different race from 2016.

And this is why Trump feared Biden...

FAH1223 · Post #1223 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:40 am

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And this is why Trump feared Biden...

I obviously backed Bernie in the primary but I don't think he'd be leading like this... but maybe he would be considering Trump is a dumpster fire and Biden has only needed to provide the stark contrast

It'll be interesting to see if Biden now goes on the attack.

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Post #1224 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:25 am

12% isn't near good enough. We need to dominate him and keep our collective knees on his throat.

pancakes3 · Post #1225 » by **pancakes3** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:32 pm

JWizmentality wrote:I think Roberts is more concerned about his legacy going forward.

i scrolled through the comments of the Trump tweet and the MAGA crowd either think that Roberts is a traitor to the party, or that there's a dem conspiracy where he's getting blackmailed by the deep state/soros.

trump brain is full out brainwashing where your mental anchor isn't tied to what is objectively right and reasonable but to what Trump says, so you have to constantly reverse engineer reasons so as to reorient yourself to what you've mistakenly set as the false true north.

Post #1226 » by **Zonkerbl** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:08 pm

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Zonkerbl wrote:Nevertheless that is what it was designed for back in the 19th century. And I stand by my statement, that that role is still valuable.

There's absolutely no reason for there to be as many universities and colleges as there are today. 80% of them are supplying zero value to the people going there. Well, to be precise, 80% of the students are getting zero value out of it. Some colleges have better percentages than others, like Harvard.

I mean, given the political climate and where children from established wealth generally seem to be falling politically, I'd suggest that this is an overly expensive program for extremely underwhelming results.

Beyond that, I'm not so sure we're disagreeing at all. If you're suggesting that 80% of universities and colleges are supplying zero value to the people going there, then it's definitely time for a major rethink.

As for Harvard, it's a solid education but I'm not convinced it's a particularly great example, either because it's simply not scalable and it's designed that way as a means of excluding poorer people from a large segment of the better paying jobs. If we need all of our colleges to have $41 billion hedge funds to be successful... well... let's rethink that a bit. And I believe Harvard just got almost $10 million in stimulus money? I suppose having $1.6 million per student stockpiled isn't on the same level of Princeton's $3.1 million. It's a money wall designed to prevent access to education.

That said, I'm fine letting those institutions be as they do the teaching (and especially the networking) parts just fine. Completely reorganize all those other 80% of colleges or whatever that you're talking about. In changing what those colleges are and how they operate, you're going to indirectly change what the likes of Harvard and Princeton are, too.

Yeah I realized halfway through this that we were basically agreeing.

Harvard is a really good example of what I'm talking about - force rich kids to compete with the best and brightest of the rest of the world. I'm sure it's humbling for them and teaches them that helping facilitate connections among people smarter but poorer than them is one of the biggest contributions they can make. Seriously I think it's a good model. But we don't need a third of our population doing that.

Post #1227 » by **Zonkerbl** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:12% isn't near good enough. We need to dominate him and keep our collective knees on his throat.

If that were feasible it would've happened in 2016 - the Fox News propaganda machine has a stranglehold on about 40% of our population. Unless we somehow destroy Fox News, there's never going to be a margin greater than 12% or so.

The extreme right has billions and billions of dollars and they know how to use it. Democrats are a bunch of amateurs in comparison. You can't just assume that, because the average Democrat voter is smarter than the average Republican voter, the campaign advisors working for the Republicans are also stupid. They're not - they are *orders of magnitude* smarter than the advisors working on the Democrat side. And Republicans have no scruples against using hate and fear to drive turnout, something Dems refuse to do.

Dems have a *permanent* disadvantage against the Republican machine. If you want to have more than a two year temporary victory, you have to organize much, much better, nationally, all the way down to the local level.

If Dems were as smart as Republicans, we'd have a black female VP by now. We'd have instructed Joe Biden that the era of needing to compromise with Dixiecrats is over - there are no more conservatives in the Democrat party, there are no more moderates in the Republican party. Elections are won in the 21st century by appealing to your base, not flailing around trying to convince people who have been *literally* brainwashed by the opponent's propaganda machine.

Wizardspride · Post #1228 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:30 pm

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Post #1230 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:15 pm

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He's literally trying to ruin the lives of people who are far better than him.

It's hard to say that without cussing.

Post #1231 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:31 pm

The US flags with Trump's picture on it are desecrating the flag and showing farrr less respect to the flag than any football player kneeling during the National Anthem before a football game.

Wizardspride · Post #1232 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:07 pm

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Post #1233 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:03 pm

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I give her the benefit of the doubt in this case and assume she's a moron instead of a liar.

Pointgod · Post #1234 » by **Pointgod** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:43 pm

Ruzious wrote:
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He's literally trying to ruin the lives of people who are far better than him.

It's hard to say that without cussing.

No profanity is appropriate. He’s a soulless, morally bankrupt goon who has zero empathy for his own children even.

Literally NOBODY asked to get rid of DACA! This is just out of spite and is going to backfire spectacularly.

Pointgod · Post #1235 » by **Pointgod** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:52 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
And this is why Trump feared Biden...

I obviously backed Bernie in the primary but I don't think he'd be leading like this... but maybe he would be considering Trump is a dumpster fire and Biden has only needed to provide the stark contrast

It'll be interesting to see if Biden now goes on the attack.

Read on Twitter

Watch on YouTube

Biden saying its not about me, its about you, its about us... channeling some Bernie there

Trump has been so spectacular lighting himself on fire during this election that Bernie would also be leading him but probably not by this much. I always said and the data backed it up, the path was narrower for Bernie. A 12 point lead (which is not safe btw) is not just Democrats but a healthy dose of independents and a small amount of Republicans.

Post #1236 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:01 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:

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He's literally trying to ruin the lives of people who are far better than him.

It's hard to say that without cussing.

No profanity is appropriate. He’s a soulless, morally bankrupt goon who has zero empathy for his own children even.

Literally NOBODY asked to get rid of DACA! This is just out of spite and is going to backfire spectacularly.

You're right on all points, but it's not just that it'll backfire as a strategy; it's hard to take the depth of pure evil it takes to do what he does while seeing there's still people who will vote for him. Him losing isn't enough.

Wizardspride · Post #1237 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:25 pm

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Wizardspride · Post #1238 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:56 pm

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Wizardspride · Post #1239 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:10 pm

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dobrojim · Post #1240 » by **dobrojim** » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:49 pm

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One might wonder whether the WH has been told they're about to
lose the income tax case(s) as well so they better get some more syncophants.
But now that I think about it, he won't be able to stop the state of NY
from continuing.

On a completely unrelated note, I spent a few hours yesterday downtown
(with my daughter, woot-woot)
participating in the Juneteenth rallies. While that was happening this
story broke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/girls-king-chalk-message-erased/2020/06/19/68d5dbca-b26d-11ea-856d-5054296735e5_story.html?fbclid=IwAR1GgAAVHPgoBoM6UJnslF6CewMh7WzXJ-RIHABJJa3KlpZUYm7s4-CaZ_U

I had mixed feelings in response wondering who would call in a complaint about a child's
sidewalk art/expression that was completely unlike hate speech graffiti. But I loved the
community response to this.

By afternoon, after residents learned that the messages had been washed away, dozens gathered to support the family — and to cover the street anew with chalk messages, including one in red and blue that read: “Wash it . . . We’ll do it again.”