Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch

Fencer reregistered · Post #481 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jun 7, 2020 10:35 pm

Smitty731 wrote:
floyd wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
That is correct. How it will work is 1-8 are locked into their spots. 9-14 will obviously be determined by who makes the playoffs. Once that is determined, for lottery odds, those terms revert back to their records at the time of the suspended season. If Memphis or Orlando or Brooklyn (or I guess Dallas in that extremely unlikely scenario) drop out, they slot into the lottery wherever their record as as of the pause would have landed them. So, 13 or 14 depending on who all gets in.

If Memphis were to jump up in the lotto then we get their pick next year - no protections right?

Not the lotto. Into the top-6. Then fully unprotected in 2021.

Right. But if they jump up in the lotto it has to be all the way to top 3 (or did that change to top 4) -- i.e., into the protected range.

So yes -- if a decent Memphis team gets very lucky and adds another high draft pick, we could wind up with their unprotected pick next season instead of a mid-round pick this year.

Post #482 » by **Smitty731** » Mon Jun 8, 2020 12:29 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
floyd wrote:
If Memphis were to jump up in the lotto then we get their pick next year - no protections right?

Not the lotto. Into the top-6. Then fully unprotected in 2021.

Right. But if they jump up in the lotto it has to be all the way to top 3 (or did that change to top 4) -- i.e., into the protected range.

So yes -- if a decent Memphis team gets very lucky and adds another high draft pick, we could wind up with their unprotected pick next season instead of a mid-round pick this year.

Top-4 for lotto now. I phrased that poorly. The protections are 1-6. But Grizzlies will draft at 1-4 or 14 will go to the Celtics.

captain green · Post #483 » by **captain green** » Mon Jun 8, 2020 2:30 am

So nbadraft.net has us taking 2 more pg'so lol

Post #484 » by **Parliament10** » Mon Jun 8, 2020 2:41 am

Smitty731 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
Not the lotto. Into the top-6. Then fully unprotected in 2021.

Right. But if they jump up in the lotto it has to be all the way to top 3 (or did that change to top 4) -- i.e., into the protected range.

So yes -- if a decent Memphis team gets very lucky and adds another high draft pick, we could wind up with their unprotected pick next season instead of a mid-round pick this year.

Top-4 for lotto now. I phrased that poorly. The protections are 1-6. But Grizzlies will draft at 1-4 or 14 will go to the Celtics.

It's pick #14. That's the highest we'll get this year, right?
But, there's still a chance that we drift back down, as far as #17?

Post #485 » by **Smitty731** » Mon Jun 8, 2020 1:40 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Right. But if they jump up in the lotto it has to be all the way to top 3 (or did that change to top 4) -- i.e., into the protected range.

So yes -- if a decent Memphis team gets very lucky and adds another high draft pick, we could wind up with their unprotected pick next season instead of a mid-round pick this year.

Top-4 for lotto now. I phrased that poorly. The protections are 1-6. But Grizzlies will draft at 1-4 or 14 will go to the Celtics.

It's pick #14. That's the highest we'll get this year, right?
But, there's still a chance that we drift back down, as far as #17?

That is correct. You could even say the odds favor that pick landing at #17 by a good margin.

ConstableGeneva · Post #486 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:19 am

Read on Twitter

Pelicans have easiest sched in terms of opponent winning %. Grizz, 6th hardest sched, could still make the lottery. NBA wants Zion in the playoffs.

31to6 · Post #487 » by **31to6** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:50 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:

Read on Twitter

Pelicans have easiest sched in terms of opponent winning %. Grizz, 6th hardest sched, could still make the lottery. NBA wants Zion in the playoffs.

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

themoneyteam2 · Post #488 » by **themoneyteam2** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:33 am

31to6 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

Read on Twitter

Pelicans have easiest sched in terms of opponent winning %. Grizz, 6th hardest sched, could still make the lottery. NBA wants Zion in the playoffs.

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

I mean it was the next 8 games on their schedule...

ConstableGeneva · Post #489 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:27 am

themoneyteam2 wrote:
31to6 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

Read on Twitter

Pelicans have easiest sched in terms of opponent winning %. Grizz, 6th hardest sched, could still make the lottery. NBA wants Zion in the playoffs.

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

I mean it was the next 8 games on their schedule...

Yeah apparently, Pelicans' opponents' winning % got even higher. They would've had an even easier schedule if they played all 82. Grizz sched would've always been tough to finish the season.

ConstableGeneva · Post #490 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:02 pm

Read on Twitter

Fencer reregistered · Post #491 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:17 pm

I've lost track. How will or won't the last 8 games affect draft order?

I think I read that they won't, but I'm not sure whether that was definitive and I also would doubt it covers the case that the last 8 games change who is or isn't in the playoffs vs. lottery.

Post #492 » by **Darth Celtic** » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:20 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:I've lost track. How will or won't the last 8 games affect draft order?

I think I read that they won't, but I'm not sure whether that was definitive and I also would doubt it covers the case that the last 8 games change who is or isn't in the playoffs vs. lottery.

From what I remember is only the 8th seed can slide out of playoffs. If they do they would be the 14 lotto pick. I think they changed to only the first three picks lotto drawn this year unlike last.

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hugepatsfan · Post #493 » by **hugepatsfan** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:07 pm

Yeah I think the draft order is set. We will have #26 from our own and #30 from MIL. The only variability left is for if a new team slides into the playoffs as the 8 seed. Then, you'll still have the 14 non playoff teams in the lottery and the 16 playoff teams #15-30. The order would then still be determined by pre-bubble records.

So we're locked in at #26 and #30 I think. Memphis is locked in as either #17 if they stay the 8 seed, or the last lottery spot. They draw for the top 4 spots I believe. So if MEM moved up #1-4 they keep their pick and we get it next year unprotected. If it stays at #14 then we get it just like we do at #17.

Honestly, best case scenario is probably that they move up to #14 by falling out of the playoffs and then move up in the lottery so we get the pick next year. Would help roster management wise to push the pick back and it's a stronger draft class.

themoneyteam2 · Post #494 » by **themoneyteam2** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:41 pm

Is there any way for this pick to roll over to next year?

That'd be the dream scenario. I would be surprised if Memphis makes the playoffs next year. Every non playoff team can talk themselves into making the playoffs next year, except for maybe the Spurs: Pelicans, Blazers, Suns, T Wolves, and obviously Warriors all have legitimate arguments to be playoff teams next year.

We just got shafted again with this year being the year Memphis is good, just like Sacramento last year.

keevsnick1 · Post #495 » by **keevsnick1** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:54 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:Is there any way for this pick to roll over to next year?

That'd be the dream scenario. I would be surprised if Memphis makes the playoffs next year. Every non playoff team can talk themselves into making the playoffs next year, except for maybe the Spurs: Pelicans, Blazers, Suns, T Wolves, and obviously Warriors all have legitimate arguments to be playoff teams next year.

We just got shafted again with this year being the year Memphis is good, just like Sacramento last year.

If a team can force the play in scenario then beat MEM that would send the pick from its current 17 spot to the 14th spot, MEM could then move up via the lottery to somewhere 1-4 and since the pick is top six protected it would roll over to next year. The odds of moving up from 14 to 1-4 is only about 2.5%

jmr07019 · Post #496 » by **jmr07019** » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:03 pm

I get wanting Zion in the playoffs from the NBA's perspective but I think Morant is more fun to watch. Some of these highlights ...

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Post #497 » by **djFan71** » Mon Aug 3, 2020 5:50 pm

I think there is going to have a play-in for the last playoff spot in the West. Spurs & Blazers both within 2.5 games could conceivably leapfrog MEM and knock them out of even the play-in. Or at least one of them could snatch #8 and have the advantage in the play-in. The dream of #14 - or unprotected 2021 - is still alive people!

ConstableGeneva · Post #498 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Aug 3, 2020 6:11 pm

djFan71 wrote:I think there is going to have a play-in for the last playoff spot in the West. Spurs & Blazers both within 2.5 games could conceivably leapfrog MEM and knock them out of even the play-in. Or at least one of them could snatch #8 and have the advantage in the play-in. The dream of #14 - or unprotected 2021 - is still alive people!

ConstableGeneva · Post #499 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:11 am

Grizzlies lose three straight in the bubble. Now tied with Spurs in loss column (pending PHI game). Their schedule gets tougher from here: UTA, OKC, TOR, BOS, MIL (B2B)

The Corey's · Post #500 » by **The Corey's** » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:25 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Grizzlies lose three straight in the bubble. Now tied with Spurs in loss column (pending PHI game). Their schedule gets tougher from here: UTA, OKC, TOR, BOS, MIL (B2B)

Right but if Im reading it correctly the best we can hope for is pick 14 as the teams that were not invited to the bubble are the only teams that participate in the lottery right?

Pick 14 is better than pick 21 which is where it was recently so frankly I'm hoping for 8 straight loses.

Too bad this wasnt the case back in December.