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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#61 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:08 pm

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boomershadow wrote:Offense is more important than defense, but I'm not sure that Kemba is so good offensively that you would pick him over a more two-way player.

Some Pacers fans were super gung ho about picking him up awhile back, and that's one aspect that worried me about the idea.

Lowry can guard the 1- 3. Let's make that very clear when we're discussing his defense

But he also plays post defence on 4's and 5's when they get switched on him. He always holds his own and even locks them down once in a while.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#62 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:11 pm

HeartDonor wrote:ones coming off leading his team to a championship ... the other's been to the playoffs once.

This is what people underrate about Lowry. He has lead his team to a top 3 seed for like 7 straight seasons now. Even if Lebron always destroyed us Lowry was contently in the playoffs every year for almost a whole decade. Something, not a lot of players can do.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#63 » by GiannisAnte34 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:13 pm

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HeartDonor wrote:ones coming off leading his team to a championship ... the other's been to the playoffs once.

This is what people underrate about Lowry. He has lead his team to a top 3 seed for like 7 straight seasons now. Even if Lebron always destroyed us Lowry was contently in the playoffs every year for almost this past decade. Something, not a lot of players can do.


Raptors far better organization than the Hornets, not all things were equal in this comparison quite clearly
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#64 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:13 pm

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Oh you must be confused. I edited my post to include threads that in fact do not have anything to do with the Raptors but inevitably become Raptors topics


Ooph, losing 4 in a row really took its toll eh?


Ah I see, so as a moderator it's okay for you to devolve into antagonizing

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1972287
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Well if you're going to regularly troll....

Neither of those threads means anything, in fact I don't even know why you bothered to post the 2nd one.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#65 » by nikster » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:15 pm

bisme37 wrote:All you Raps fans talking smack about Kemba... you guys realize dude is about to drop a 50 piece on your heads right?

Seriously KW and KL are apples and oranges at the PG position so I guess it's fair to take your pick of whomever you like better. But I do feel like Kemba is pretty underrated at this point. He was banged up earlier in the year and simply doesn't have to score a ton for this Celtics team because there are 3 other guys who can go off on a given night.

But there aren't many players who are All-NBA and All-Star starters even when they're on teams with crappy records (Charlotte), and Kemba is that guy. Dude is legit and I'm looking forward to him reminding everyone.

nobody was talking smack, they just think Lowrys a more impactful player
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#66 » by LAKESHOW » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:15 pm

bisme37 wrote:All you Raps fans talking smack about Kemba... you guys realize dude is about to drop a 50 piece on your heads right?
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C'mon, Now this is what Playoff basketball is all about. Let's get at it and start the games!
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#67 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:16 pm

The difference between the two is super close.

I've always held a soft spot for Kemba after his NCAA run. Was happy he went to Boston and replaced Kyrie, allowed me to like the Celtics again.

I still think Lowry has more impact on winning. So I'd take him.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#68 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:18 pm

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HeartDonor wrote:ones coming off leading his team to a championship ... the other's been to the playoffs once.

This is what people underrate about Lowry. He has lead his team to a top 3 seed for like 7 straight seasons now. Even if Lebron always destroyed us Lowry was contently in the playoffs every year for almost this past decade. Something, not a lot of players can do.


Raptors far better organization than the Hornets, not all things were equal in this comparison quite clearly

How great was the organization when Lowry got here? We were like the Hornets before all this. That one Rudy Gay traded started this amazing run we have right now. Kyle helped build the winning culture. Kyle and DeMar they both were nobodys in the league. Never were hyped up always ignored and silently they have steadily helped to improve the culture every year. Along with helping our young guys become solid players guys like Fred, Pascal, Norman.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#69 » by GiannisAnte34 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:18 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:
Ooph, losing 4 in a row really took its toll eh?


Ah I see, so as a moderator it's okay for you to devolve into antagonizing

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1972287
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1972362


Well if you're going to regularly troll....

Neither of those threads means anything, in fact I don't even know why you bothered to post the 2nd one.


In other words, concede that the 1st thread went off into a Raptors tangent when it had nothing to do with the Raptors

though it is alright with you because of your bias
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#70 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:20 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Ah I see, so as a moderator it's okay for you to devolve into antagonizing

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1972287
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1972362


Well if you're going to regularly troll....

Neither of those threads means anything, in fact I don't even know why you bothered to post the 2nd one.


In other words, concede that the 1st thread went off into a Raptors tangent when it had nothing to do with the Raptors

though it is alright with you because of your bias


1st thread definitely goes Raptors, but considering Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis, sure it's probably going to end.

What's the second thread suppose to show?
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#71 » by GiannisAnte34 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:22 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Well if you're going to regularly troll....

Neither of those threads means anything, in fact I don't even know why you bothered to post the 2nd one.


In other words, concede that the 1st thread went off into a Raptors tangent when it had nothing to do with the Raptors

though it is alright with you because of your bias


1st thread definitely goes Raptors, but considering Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis, sure it's probably going to end.

What's the second thread suppose to show?


Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis - in what context? Is this in regards to the media or are you referencing posters on the General Board? If it's the latter, then by your definition every thread can go off into a Raptors tangent and be okay with you.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#72 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:23 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:Biggest argument is that Kemba is a better scorer but honestly... is he? Lowry scores 1.5 less points on significantly better efficiency (58.9TS vs 56.9) plus is better facilitator, defender, and pretty much every other aspect of basketball.

Kemba hasn't played with these many weapons in his career. I'm sure he was just adjusting to that this season.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#73 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:23 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
In other words, concede that the 1st thread went off into a Raptors tangent when it had nothing to do with the Raptors

though it is alright with you because of your bias


1st thread definitely goes Raptors, but considering Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis, sure it's probably going to end.

What's the second thread suppose to show?


Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis - in what context? Is this in regards to the media or are you referencing posters on the General Board? If it's the latter, then by your definition every thread can go off into a Raptors tangent and be okay with you.


https://www.google.com/search?q=giannis+to+toronto&rlz=1C5CHFA_enCA873CA875&oq=giannis+to+toronto&aqs=chrome.0.0l5j69i61l3.5991j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

There ya go. So it makes sense.

Again, what was the 2nd thread you posted? Or did you not expect for me to read it?

This thread is literally ABOUT a Raptor, a PC of two players, and you came in to complain anyways?
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#74 » by Roco14 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:24 pm

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Roco14 wrote:How is this a question. Put Kyle on the Celtics and they're probably the favorites in the East.


Let’s not get carried away. Giannis, by far the best player in the conference, still resides in Milwaukee.

I’m biased, Lowry is my guy so I’m going with him, but Walker has improved so much since his first 2-3 years in the league that I’d love having him on my team as well. It’s incredible that Boston is so much better this season without Kyrie poisoning the atmosphere (and other key players missing) and Walker being a great teammate with a great attitude is a huge part of that.


Yeah it's pretty absurd to think the Celtics with Lowry would be challenging MIL.

And while the lack of having the biggest poison in the NBA of Irving has helped. I think part of the reason that the Celtics team is doing well is because no one can play well with Irving and Walker plays a conventional game instead of a dribble, grab 3 defenders, shoot a shot over 3 people.

Walker instead does the traditional drive and kick game to get others open shots along with getting in the top 5 or 10 or so in charges taken every season on defense right with Lowry. And that just helps the entire team and it's no surprise with his complementary and more PG type game that suddenly Tatum and Brown have gone off. Neither Brown nor Tatum are yet at an offensive ball in his hands every play lead person and benefit from having an actual PG setting up players with his drive and kick game and running plays. As well as forcing the opposition to guard him with that 37% from 3 on 8 attempts per game (also just like Lowry).

Honestly I think the best way to describe Kemba is he's Lowry but instead of the high aspg he's got the Irving ISO and scoring ability. Similar level players in a different flavor but I 100% doubt Tatum or Siakam would have had the success they've had without those critical team players skills (top 10 in charges on defense every year, 7+ 3PA on high %s every year, running the offense either drive and kick with Walker or tremendous passing to undress the defense in Lowry).

Again let's just hope they can keep it up for next year and we get to enjoy it. For each player every year could be their last year as a solid borderline all-star level player.



When I said I think the Celtics would be favored in the East with Lowry, I didn't mean it as to say that Lowry is a significantly better individual player than Kemba; he's not. Kemba is clearly one of the best scoring guards in the league and better at a lot of things than Lowry.

However, I really do believe that Lowry is one of the best in the league strictly at getting the most out of his teammates, which I would think would be more valuable to the Celtics right now. It's a massive part of why the raptors have had so many winning seasons since he got here. Guys like JV, Delon, Bismack Biyombo, CJ Miles were really great for us and have seemingly fallen off a bit since leaving.

I just feel like if you paired Lowry with a true closer like Tatum and other key pieces like Brown, Smart, Hayward - they'd have a fantastic shot to win the East, even against Giannis. If they had a great interior defender I would definitely bet on them to do so.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#75 » by GiannisAnte34 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:32 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
1st thread definitely goes Raptors, but considering Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis, sure it's probably going to end.

What's the second thread suppose to show?


Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis - in what context? Is this in regards to the media or are you referencing posters on the General Board? If it's the latter, then by your definition every thread can go off into a Raptors tangent and be okay with you.


https://www.google.com/search?q=giannis+to+toronto&rlz=1C5CHFA_enCA873CA875&oq=giannis+to+toronto&aqs=chrome.0.0l5j69i61l3.5991j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

There ya go. So it makes sense.

Again, what was the 2nd thread you posted? Or did you not expect for me to read it?

This thread is literally ABOUT a Raptor, a PC of two players, and you came in to complain anyways?


Do you always type in your bias verbatim to confirm it and then say "well there ya go see!"

Ooph, winning 4 in a row must have really conflated your sense of importance
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Post#76 » by NinjaBro » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:34 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
In other words, concede that the 1st thread went off into a Raptors tangent when it had nothing to do with the Raptors

though it is alright with you because of your bias


1st thread definitely goes Raptors, but considering Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis, sure it's probably going to end.

What's the second thread suppose to show?


Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis - in what context? Is this in regards to the media or are you referencing posters on the General Board? If it's the latter, then by your definition every thread can go off into a Raptors tangent and be okay with you.



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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#77 » by RaptorPride » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:34 pm

Roco14 wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:
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Let’s not get carried away. Giannis, by far the best player in the conference, still resides in Milwaukee.

I’m biased, Lowry is my guy so I’m going with him, but Walker has improved so much since his first 2-3 years in the league that I’d love having him on my team as well. It’s incredible that Boston is so much better this season without Kyrie poisoning the atmosphere (and other key players missing) and Walker being a great teammate with a great attitude is a huge part of that.


Yeah it's pretty absurd to think the Celtics with Lowry would be challenging MIL.

And while the lack of having the biggest poison in the NBA of Irving has helped. I think part of the reason that the Celtics team is doing well is because no one can play well with Irving and Walker plays a conventional game instead of a dribble, grab 3 defenders, shoot a shot over 3 people.

Walker instead does the traditional drive and kick game to get others open shots along with getting in the top 5 or 10 or so in charges taken every season on defense right with Lowry. And that just helps the entire team and it's no surprise with his complementary and more PG type game that suddenly Tatum and Brown have gone off. Neither Brown nor Tatum are yet at an offensive ball in his hands every play lead person and benefit from having an actual PG setting up players with his drive and kick game and running plays. As well as forcing the opposition to guard him with that 37% from 3 on 8 attempts per game (also just like Lowry).

Honestly I think the best way to describe Kemba is he's Lowry but instead of the high aspg he's got the Irving ISO and scoring ability. Similar level players in a different flavor but I 100% doubt Tatum or Siakam would have had the success they've had without those critical team players skills (top 10 in charges on defense every year, 7+ 3PA on high %s every year, running the offense either drive and kick with Walker or tremendous passing to undress the defense in Lowry).

Again let's just hope they can keep it up for next year and we get to enjoy it. For each player every year could be their last year as a solid borderline all-star level player.



When I said I think the Celtics would be favored in the East with Lowry, I didn't mean it as to say that Lowry is a significantly better individual player than Kemba; he's not. Kemba is clearly one of the best scoring guards in the league and better at a lot of things than Lowry.

However, I really do believe that Lowry is one of the best in the league strictly at getting the most out of his teammates, which I would think would be more valuable to the Celtics right now. It's a massive part of why the raptors have had so many winning seasons since he got here. Guys like JV, Delon, Bismack Biyombo, CJ Miles were really great for us and have seemingly fallen off a bit since leaving.

I just feel like if you paired Lowry with a true closer like Tatum and other key pieces like Brown, Smart, Hayward - they'd have a fantastic shot to win the East, even against Giannis. If they had a great interior defender I would definitely bet on them to do so.


I feel like Lowry can fit on any team with any playstyle and he will still be productive. Playing with someone like young DeRozan really helped him out when Kawhi got here. He knew exactly how to play with a ball dominate iso player while still impacting the game.
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#78 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:34 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Toronto is a highly talked about landing spot for Giannis - in what context? Is this in regards to the media or are you referencing posters on the General Board? If it's the latter, then by your definition every thread can go off into a Raptors tangent and be okay with you.


https://www.google.com/search?q=giannis+to+toronto&rlz=1C5CHFA_enCA873CA875&oq=giannis+to+toronto&aqs=chrome.0.0l5j69i61l3.5991j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

There ya go. So it makes sense.

Again, what was the 2nd thread you posted? Or did you not expect for me to read it?

This thread is literally ABOUT a Raptor, a PC of two players, and you came in to complain anyways?


Do you always type in your bias verbatim to confirm it and then say "well there ya go see!"

Ooph, winning 4 in a row must have really conflated your sense of importance


:lol: you troll on page 1. Realized you haven't actually contributed to the topic, so you post something small on page 4.

But yeah, keep complaining about other people. It's clearly not you at all.
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Post#79 » by GiannisAnte34 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:40 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=giannis+to+toronto&rlz=1C5CHFA_enCA873CA875&oq=giannis+to+toronto&aqs=chrome.0.0l5j69i61l3.5991j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

There ya go. So it makes sense.

Again, what was the 2nd thread you posted? Or did you not expect for me to read it?

This thread is literally ABOUT a Raptor, a PC of two players, and you came in to complain anyways?


Do you always type in your bias verbatim to confirm it and then say "well there ya go see!"

Ooph, winning 4 in a row must have really conflated your sense of importance


:lol: you troll on page 1. Realized you haven't actually contributed to the topic, so you post something small on page 4.

But yeah, keep complaining about other people. It's clearly not you at all.


you do realize the first article to support your claim is by AllRaptors, where they propose that Giannis wins a title with Siakam in 2021. so essentially the claim is that the Raptors will force Milwaukee to trade Giannis and somehow not include Siakam. though nowhere in the article are trade proposal ideas even offered, but yet somehow this corroborates your notion that "it makes sense"

want to keep going down the line from your google search? nah you'll just deflect and pivot to something else
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Re: Kemba Walker or Kyle Lowry 

Post#80 » by KIRAG » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:41 pm

HeartDonor wrote:ones coming off leading his team to a championship ... the other's been to the playoffs once.


Kemba never played with Kawhi.

Put Lowry on the Hornets team Kemba played with, I doubt they will even sniff the playoffs

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