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ORL in: Booker, Oubre.
ORL out: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
Fultz/Booker/Oubre/Isaac/Vucevic
MLE/Ross/Ennis/Okeke/Birch
PHO in: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
PHO out: Booker, Oubre.
Rubio/Fournier/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton
K. Lewis (15)/D. Vassell (10)/MLE/Johnson/Bamba
ORL pairs Booker with a future DPOY, and gives Booker a good team on paper to make noise in the post-season. PHO enters a mini-rebuild, gets younger while still maintaining a respectable squad and think long-term in the West (develop core while other teams try to compete with LBJ/Kawhi). I'm inclined to include Okeke to PHO, but don't know how that works.
ORL out: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
Fultz/Booker/Oubre/Isaac/Vucevic
MLE/Ross/Ennis/Okeke/Birch
PHO in: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
PHO out: Booker, Oubre.
Rubio/Fournier/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton
K. Lewis (15)/D. Vassell (10)/MLE/Johnson/Bamba
ORL pairs Booker with a future DPOY, and gives Booker a good team on paper to make noise in the post-season. PHO enters a mini-rebuild, gets younger while still maintaining a respectable squad and think long-term in the West (develop core while other teams try to compete with LBJ/Kawhi). I'm inclined to include Okeke to PHO, but don't know how that works.
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Some will probably balk at this, but I actually really like this.
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It seems there is a risk of the Suns becoming Orlando in the desert.
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If Phoenix was going to trade Booker the best asset coming back shouldn't be a center to backup Ayton.
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aguiar95 wrote:ORL in: Booker, Oubre.
ORL out: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
Fultz/Booker/Oubre/Isaac/Vucevic
MLE/Ross/Ennis/Okeke/Birch
PHO in: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
PHO out: Booker, Oubre.
Rubio/Fournier/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton
K. Lewis (15)/D. Vassell (10)/MLE/Johnson/Bamba
ORL pairs Booker with a future DPOY, and gives Booker a good team on paper to make noise in the post-season. PHO enters a mini-rebuild, gets younger while still maintaining a respectable squad and think long-term in the West (develop core while other teams try to compete with LBJ/Kawhi). I'm inclined to include Okeke to PHO, but don't know how that works.
There have been many Oubre for Gordon threads. I think most had Oubres value slightly greater then Gordon.. let’s say Gordon = Oubre
You think the suns would actually consider trading Booker for?
Bamba (likely bust)
Fourniers expiring (assuming he opts in, otherwise can’t be traded)
#15 in a poor draft
Unknown future first
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Wow this is bad value for Booker.
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This feels more like a trade package for a secondary star forcing his way out, as opposed to a trade package for a secondary star who's 'fine with his current team.
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To GSW: Bamba + Fournier (via TPE) + #15
To Magic: Booker + Oubre + Looney
To Suns: Isaac + Ross + 2020 GSW FRP (GOF) + 2022
Magic FRP (unprotected) + 23Mil Cap Space
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Warriors:
C: Bamba
F: Green
F: Fournier
G: Klay
G: Curry
6: Wiggins
Magic:
C: Vooch
F: Gordon
F: Oubre
G: Booker
G: Fultz
Suns:
C: Ayton
F: Isaac
F: Bridges
G: Ross | GOF 2020 GSW FRP
G: Rubio
Plus #10 probably another guard.
To Magic: Booker + Oubre + Looney
To Suns: Isaac + Ross + 2020 GSW FRP (GOF) + 2022
Magic FRP (unprotected) + 23Mil Cap Space
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Warriors:
C: Bamba
F: Green
F: Fournier
G: Klay
G: Curry
6: Wiggins
Magic:
C: Vooch
F: Gordon
F: Oubre
G: Booker
G: Fultz
Suns:
C: Ayton
F: Isaac
F: Bridges
G: Ross | GOF 2020 GSW FRP
G: Rubio
Plus #10 probably another guard.
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Without Isaac being included, Phoenix doesn't even speak before hanging up the phone.
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This is not good. Like, really bad. Isaac is the guy to include but Magic want to pair him with Book. If Gordon and Bamba were better, maybe.getrichordie wrote:Some will probably balk at this, but I actually really like this.
Isaac, Fournier, 2020 1st, 2022 1st is closer to what would be required.
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Someone enlighten me as to why Booker is a superstar while Zach LaVine is “gettable”...nearly identical physical profiles (Zach is a jumping jack tho) and stats. LaVine is a chucker getting empty stats on a losing team while Book is a young star...not hating at all but what makes their (apparent) trade value so different? Is LaVine disruptive or was his coach actually a clown? I’d love either for Orl
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I thought about swaping Gordon for Isaac, but then I don't see a future for ORL with Booker and role players. PHO could try and move Bamba/assets to a 3rd team to move up in the draft (GOTF) or to get a young player that fits. The GSW idea was a good one, with Bamba + Fournier for the 2020 GSW 1st.
Rubio/Edwards/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton
Lewis/Vassell/Johnson/Okeke/MLE
Rubio/Edwards/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton
Lewis/Vassell/Johnson/Okeke/MLE
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Crives wrote:aguiar95 wrote:ORL in: Booker, Oubre.
ORL out: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
Fultz/Booker/Oubre/Isaac/Vucevic
MLE/Ross/Ennis/Okeke/Birch
PHO in: Gordon, Bamba, Fournier, 2020 ORL 1st (15), ORL 2022 1st (unprotected).
PHO out: Booker, Oubre.
Rubio/Fournier/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton
K. Lewis (15)/D. Vassell (10)/MLE/Johnson/Bamba
ORL pairs Booker with a future DPOY, and gives Booker a good team on paper to make noise in the post-season. PHO enters a mini-rebuild, gets younger while still maintaining a respectable squad and think long-term in the West (develop core while other teams try to compete with LBJ/Kawhi). I'm inclined to include Okeke to PHO, but don't know how that works.
There have been many Oubre for Gordon threads. I think most had Oubres value slightly greater then Gordon.. let’s say Gordon = Oubre
You think the suns would actually consider trading Booker for?
Bamba (likely bust)
Fourniers expiring (assuming he opts in, otherwise can’t be traded)
#15 in a poor draft
Unknown future first
I agree with you. This deal feels pretty weak. I know of alot of teams who can offer better.
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Skybox wrote:Someone enlighten me as to why Booker is a superstar while Zach LaVine is “gettable”...nearly identical physical profiles (Zach is a jumping jack tho) and stats. LaVine is a chucker getting empty stats on a losing team while Book is a young star...not hating at all but what makes their (apparent) trade value so different? Is LaVine disruptive or was his coach actually a clown? I’d love either for Orl
I actually think that Lavine is being underrated by many, but I'll answer your question about why I value Booker higher non the less.
- Booker puts up more points on higher efficiency: 26 ppg on 62%ts is elite.
- Booker is a better passer.
- Booker plays better off the ball.
- Booker is two years younger. Not a huge difference, but considering his progression - Booker has gotten better every year he's been in the league so far and is still years away from hitting his prime - 23 is more valuable than 25.
- Overall taking these factors into consideration, Booker has more upside.
Booker is also highly polarizing, and I'm not sure anyone really considers him a "superstar" as you put it. Even Suns most Suns fans consider him to be a great second option - but don't think he has the upside to become a guy you build a championship team around.
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Skybox wrote:Someone enlighten me as to why Booker is a superstar while Zach LaVine is “gettable”...nearly identical physical profiles (Zach is a jumping jack tho) and stats. LaVine is a chucker getting empty stats on a losing team while Book is a young star...not hating at all but what makes their (apparent) trade value so different? Is LaVine disruptive or was his coach actually a clown? I’d love either for Orl
Exactly. I concede Booker is a much better offensive guy but Lavine is way more athletic and shoots like Klay Thompson while being a much better defender. I think its only in RGM that Bookers value is inflated despite both being in the same category by most gms as rising stars/guards with most potential.
Its not an outrageous offer if your basically offering 4 mid-late lottery picks worth for Booker who is not yet a superstar. He may be Harden, he might not be bc of his ego. Basically I have Booker as Lavine plus our own lottery pick (#7) worth and Lavine can be had for 1 mid lottery or 2 late lottos.
Lamelo will be a future superstar Bull. Book it. Lavar for president!
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Showtime23 wrote:Skybox wrote:Someone enlighten me as to why Booker is a superstar while Zach LaVine is “gettable”...nearly identical physical profiles (Zach is a jumping jack tho) and stats. LaVine is a chucker getting empty stats on a losing team while Book is a young star...not hating at all but what makes their (apparent) trade value so different? Is LaVine disruptive or was his coach actually a clown? I’d love either for Orl
Exactly. I concede Booker is a much better offensive guy but Lavine is way more athletic and shoots like Klay Thompson while being a much better defender. I think its only in RGM that Bookers value is inflated despite both being in the same category by most gms as rising stars/guards with most potential.
Its not an outrageous offer if your basically offering 4 mid-late lottery picks worth for Booker who is not yet a superstar. He may be Harden, he might not be bc of his ego. Basically I have Booker as Lavine plus our own lottery pick (#7) worth and Lavine can be had for 1 mid lottery or 2 late lottos.
I think Beal can be put into the conversation too. Not sure why LaVine doesn’t have same to even more value than both — his contract is much friendlier — on RGM that usually is a huge value inflator.
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To me Booker is equal to a J. Brown/D. Mitchell, while Lavine is more like a D. Russell/B. Hield.
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aguiar95 wrote:To me Booker is equal to a J. Brown/D. Mitchell, while Lavine is more like a D. Russell/B. Hield.
Based on what? Brown is a very physical and willing defender. Russell isn't a great defender (or elite shooter like Book/Hield) and Hield is an elite shooter with nothing else. I honestly only know what I've seen of each and I don't disagree with your rankings, just wondering if your reasoning is the same. Hield, to me, is the biggest question mark...amazing 3pt shooter, the times I've seen him play-he absolutely avoided defense (granted, a few years ago), got a big deal and BENCHED soon after. Puzzling.
Jaylen Brown scores similar numbers, but I wonder what he'd do in a leading man position, like Booker?
Lavine, also a bundle of questions for me...mostly BBIQ, as he has all of the tools. Why is his value questioned by Chicago fans?
I love Booker's ferocity but I can't say I've seen enough to really evaluate. I suspect I'd value him like I value CJ...trade him to ORL and let him be Harden in front of a defensive wall and he'll put up 30/10.
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Same questions and projections with Beal...people proposing AD-level packages? then I read that he's bottom 5 defensive players in the league? I saw somebody here suggest Beal can't shoot, so I changed channels quickly
ORL needs that kind of single-focus scoring savage to balance out their team...I guess who doesn't?
ORL needs that kind of single-focus scoring savage to balance out their team...I guess who doesn't?
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