Summer Trades...never too early

[Bakomagic]

Modified trade proposal from the T and T board.

I have said in the past that I’d only trade Isaac for a no doubt star scorer “enter Devin Booker”

Let’s say Booker is fed up with missing playoffs and demands a trade !

Magic Trade 2020 1st, 2022 1st (unprotected) Isaac, Fournier, Birch for D. Booker

Fultz | MCW (Resigned)
Booker | TRoss
Okeke | Ennis
AG | Aminu
Vuc | Bamba

If Fultz can develop into our 2nd scoring option, pushing Vuc to 3rd and AG (4th)can play the rim finisher role our offense will be way more consistent as Okeke will just need to floor space and defend while Coach Cliff has enough good to great defenders in AG, Okeke, Fultz, MCW, Bamba to keep us a top 10 NBA defense imo.

I think this would immediately have us battling for home court in the playoffs next year (seeds 4,5,6) and if Fultz, Bamba, or Okeke take a big leap we could be contention to win the Eastern Conference.

What do y’all think? Too optimistic?

Toooooo expensive for booker, we need winners not someone who enjoy losing

That many oooooo’s huh ? Haha.

I don’t think it’s that far off. I’d love to substitute AG and keep Isaac but I don’t think PHX would go for it.
Booker’s weakness is defense but I believe Coach Cliff can make him a Solid defender like he has done with Vuc and Fournier. Plus he would have guys like AG, Okeke, Bamba, MCW, Amina around him on the court to pick up the slack.

The whole winner thing is important but the Suns have not helped him a whole lot picking guys like Alex Len, Dragon Bender, and Josh Jackson high in the draft added with their inability to find a good stable coach. I don’t believe he is a lost cause. Besides how often are you able to get a young star scorer coming from a winning team ?

We can’t just wait around for a Kawhi situation. We need to try andtake advantage of an Oladipo situation!

[Skybox]

Modified trade proposal from the T and T board.

I have said in the past that I’d only trade Isaac for a no doubt star scorer “enter Devin Booker”

Let’s say Booker is fed up with missing playoffs and demands a trade !

Magic Trade 2020 1st, 2022 1st (unprotected) Isaac, Fournier, Birch for D. Booker

Fultz | MCW (Resigned)
Booker | TRoss
Okeke | Ennis
AG | Aminu
Vuc | Bamba

If Fultz can develop into our 2nd scoring option, pushing Vuc to 3rd and AG (4th)can play the rim finisher role our offense will be way more consistent as Okeke will just need to floor space and defend while Coach Cliff has enough good to great defenders in AG, Okeke, Fultz, MCW, Bamba to keep us a top 10 NBA defense imo.

I think this would immediately have us battling for home court in the playoffs next year (seeds 4,5,6) and if Fultz, Bamba, or Okeke take a big leap we could be contention to win the Eastern Conference.

What do y’all think? Too optimistic?

Isn't that undervaluing Isaac? I would like to get into an Isaac + for Booker discussion but the "+" seems pretty heavy with the proposals I've seen...why 2 picks along with Evan? Is Booker that far ahead of Isaac in value? I think Isaac, Fournier + '22 unprotected makes them a better team than just Booker. Including Birch is fine if needed for math. I see Isaac as a DPOY candidate in the very near future adn Fournier could avg. 20 ppg with Rubio feeding him and Ayton down low. PHO has some nice wings too. I'm not critical of Booker but I'm just not seeing him demanding a disgruntled superstar deal like this.

[Bakomagic]

Modified trade proposal from the T and T board.

I have said in the past that I’d only trade Isaac for a no doubt star scorer “enter Devin Booker”

Let’s say Booker is fed up with missing playoffs and demands a trade !

Magic Trade 2020 1st, 2022 1st (unprotected) Isaac, Fournier, Birch for D. Booker

Fultz | MCW (Resigned)
Booker | TRoss
Okeke | Ennis
AG | Aminu
Vuc | Bamba

If Fultz can develop into our 2nd scoring option, pushing Vuc to 3rd and AG (4th)can play the rim finisher role our offense will be way more consistent as Okeke will just need to floor space and defend while Coach Cliff has enough good to great defenders in AG, Okeke, Fultz, MCW, Bamba to keep us a top 10 NBA defense imo.

I think this would immediately have us battling for home court in the playoffs next year (seeds 4,5,6) and if Fultz, Bamba, or Okeke take a big leap we could be contention to win the Eastern Conference.

What do y’all think? Too optimistic?

Isn't that undervaluing Isaac? I would like to get into an Isaac + for Booker discussion but the "+" seems pretty heavy with the proposals I've seen...why 2 picks along with Evan? Is Booker that far ahead of Isaac in value? I think Isaac, Fournier + '22 unprotected makes them a better team than just Booker. Including Birch is fine if needed for math. I see Isaac as a DPOY candidate in the very near future adn Fournier could avg. 20 ppg with Rubio feeding him and Ayton down low. PHO has some nice wings too. I'm not critical of Booker but I'm just not seeing him demanding a disgruntled superstar deal like this.

You may be right. I agree that Isaac will be a DPOY soon and for the foreseeable future. I just have a hard time valuing him with his injury history.

I also “baked in” the fact that I am a Magic Homer and err on the side of the other team in the transaction. I could see the point of view that I may have gone to far. I would love to keep this years pick and use it to supplement the post Booker acquisition roster!

Isaac and Booker are both Elite at what they do, I just feel that the league values great perimeter scoring more than great defense. So I went with Isaac + for Booker. Fournier is part of the plus for salary purposes and an enticing suns replacement for Booker. If we did TRoss salary matching becomes tougher because our lack of players salaried in the 4 to 5 million range (only Bamba and he’s no salary filler!) After some forum feedback I’d keep this years pick and maybe even haggle for some protection on the 2022 1st rounder.

So Isaac, Fournier, Birch and a top 10 protected 2022 for Booker as a starting point, the only negotiable I’d offer is sliding the 2022 protection down some.

[Skybox]

Modified trade proposal from the T and T board.

I have said in the past that I’d only trade Isaac for a no doubt star scorer “enter Devin Booker”

Let’s say Booker is fed up with missing playoffs and demands a trade !

Magic Trade 2020 1st, 2022 1st (unprotected) Isaac, Fournier, Birch for D. Booker

Fultz | MCW (Resigned)
Booker | TRoss
Okeke | Ennis
AG | Aminu
Vuc | Bamba

If Fultz can develop into our 2nd scoring option, pushing Vuc to 3rd and AG (4th)can play the rim finisher role our offense will be way more consistent as Okeke will just need to floor space and defend while Coach Cliff has enough good to great defenders in AG, Okeke, Fultz, MCW, Bamba to keep us a top 10 NBA defense imo.

I think this would immediately have us battling for home court in the playoffs next year (seeds 4,5,6) and if Fultz, Bamba, or Okeke take a big leap we could be contention to win the Eastern Conference.

What do y’all think? Too optimistic?

Isn't that undervaluing Isaac? I would like to get into an Isaac + for Booker discussion but the "+" seems pretty heavy with the proposals I've seen...why 2 picks along with Evan? Is Booker that far ahead of Isaac in value? I think Isaac, Fournier + '22 unprotected makes them a better team than just Booker. Including Birch is fine if needed for math. I see Isaac as a DPOY candidate in the very near future adn Fournier could avg. 20 ppg with Rubio feeding him and Ayton down low. PHO has some nice wings too. I'm not critical of Booker but I'm just not seeing him demanding a disgruntled superstar deal like this.

You may be right. I agree that Isaac will be a DPOY soon and for the foreseeable future. I just have a hard time valuing him with his injury history.

I also “baked in” the fact that I am a Magic Homer and err on the side of the other team in the transaction. I could see the point of view that I may have gone to far. I would love to keep this years pick and use it to supplement the post Booker acquisition roster!

Isaac and Booker are both Elite at what they do, I just feel that the league values great perimeter scoring more than great defense. So I went with Isaac + for Booker. Fournier is part of the plus for salary purposes and an enticing suns replacement for Booker. If we did TRoss salary matching becomes tougher because our lack of players salaried in the 4 to 5 million range (only Bamba and he’s no salary filler!) After some forum feedback I’d keep this years pick and maybe even haggle for some protection on the 2022 1st rounder.

So Isaac, Fournier, Birch and a top 10 protected 2022 for Booker as a starting point, the only negotiable I’d offer is sliding the 2022 protection down some.

I'd do that deal=with both sides obviously aware that the 22 frp isn't likely to be better than mid-round.

[Knightro]

My preference would 100% be to trade Gordon before Isaac, but Isaac certainly isn't untouchable.

There's only a handful of true untouchables in the entire NBA and as much as I like Isaac, he's not one of those players.

[MagicFan101]

My preference would 100% be to trade Gordon before Isaac, but Isaac certainly isn't untouchable.

There's only a handful of true untouchables in the entire NBA and as much as I like Isaac, he's not one of those players.

I label Isaac “realistically untouchable” since everything you said is true yet pretty much anyone / anything in this league good enough to get me interested in parting with Isaac isn’t realistic for Orlando.

Players of that caliber are not demanding trades to Orlando. The only other scenario is that they are on the final year of a contract and known to be interested in a new home. If that is the case do we want to give up Isaac with little to no assurance of a resign?

— hence I go with “realistically untouchable” for the time being.

Gordon on the other hand can be traded for very solid starters who fit our roster better and that is fine enough for me.

[PrimeThyme]

Yeah, I mean of course he's technically not "untouchable" because if we are playing that game there are maybe only 5 players who are, but when you consider the value we would get for a guy like Isaac who has missed significant time 2/3 years since he has gotten to the league and who has yet to fully put it all together versus what he can still become it makes very little sense for a team in our position to trade him atm.

Essentially, there is a strong chance that any trade we would be likely to make at this point in time would be selling low on him imo. Maybe there is a team that is all-in on his potential and would give us market value, but I think the injuries would still have teams looking to buy low.

Next year is a monumental year for him. If he puts together a fully healthy season, makes a bit of a jump offensively, and maintains his play as a top-five defender he is going to have top 25 value in this league and the ball is back in our court. I'd wait it out.

[cedric76]

Modified trade proposal from the T and T board.

I have said in the past that I’d only trade Isaac for a no doubt star scorer “enter Devin Booker”

Let’s say Booker is fed up with missing playoffs and demands a trade !

Magic Trade 2020 1st, 2022 1st (unprotected) Isaac, Fournier, Birch for D. Booker

Fultz | MCW (Resigned)
Booker | TRoss
Okeke | Ennis
AG | Aminu
Vuc | Bamba

If Fultz can develop into our 2nd scoring option, pushing Vuc to 3rd and AG (4th)can play the rim finisher role our offense will be way more consistent as Okeke will just need to floor space and defend while Coach Cliff has enough good to great defenders in AG, Okeke, Fultz, MCW, Bamba to keep us a top 10 NBA defense imo.

I think this would immediately have us battling for home court in the playoffs next year (seeds 4,5,6) and if Fultz, Bamba, or Okeke take a big leap we could be contention to win the Eastern Conference.

What do y’all think? Too optimistic?

Toooooo expensive for booker, we need winners not someone who enjoy losing

That many oooooo’s huh ? Haha.

I don’t think it’s that far off. I’d love to substitute AG and keep Isaac but I don’t think PHX would go for it.
Booker’s weakness is defense but I believe Coach Cliff can make him a Solid defender like he has done with Vuc and Fournier. Plus he would have guys like AG, Okeke, Bamba, MCW, Amina around him on the court to pick up the slack.

The whole winner thing is important but the Suns have not helped him a whole lot picking guys like Alex Len, Dragon Bender, and Josh Jackson high in the draft added with their inability to find a good stable coach. I don’t believe he is a lost cause. Besides how often are you able to get a young star scorer coming from a winning team ?

We can’t just wait around for a Kawhi situation. We need to try andtake advantage of an Oladipo situation!

They r not O they are 0 , like the number of time Booker will make it past the 1st round.

He reminds me Tmac, his team lose by 20 pts but he is happy to have scored 60Pts +

don't want losers like that in our team

[Knightro]

Yeah, I mean of course he's technically not "untouchable" because if we are playing that game there are maybe only 5 players who are, but when you consider the value we would get for a guy like Isaac who has missed significant time 2/3 years since he has gotten to the league and who has yet to fully put it all together versus what he can still become it makes very little sense for a team in our position to trade him atm.

Essentially, there is a strong chance that any trade we would be likely to make at this point in time would be selling low on him imo. Maybe there is a team that is all-in on his potential and would give us market value, but I think the injuries would still have teams looking to buy low.

Next year is a monumental year for him. If he puts together a fully healthy season, makes a bit of a jump offensively, and maintains his play as a top-five defender he is going to have top 25 value in this league and the ball is back in our court. I'd wait it out.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you and MagicFan101 wholeheartedly.

Isaac isn't untouchable, but he's untouchable in a practical sense for a variety of reasons.

I have no interest in trading him for the kind of players or picks the Magic would likely be offered for Isaac right now.

The caliber of players who I would be interested in trading Isaac for are presumably not available for trade.

Health is the only question mark for me. His improvement from Year 1 to Year 3 has been supremely encouraging.

[basketballRob]

Golden State has a 17.1 million dollar trade exception, Fournier if he opts in, makes 17. They could also add 3 more years starting at 17. Not sure if they'd give up their first pick for him.

How about Vuc and Fournier if he opts in, for Wiggins and the TPE.




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[Bensational]

Ok, looking at Utah, I can see the possibility of them looking to move Gobert with him becoming an UFA in 2021. But at that point, I don't know what the best offers they could get for a season/half season rental on him.

Maybe, in that case, a Vuc/Gobert swap helps both teams?

For Utah, they get a decent C who will accomodate their other scoring options, whilst knowing how to be part of a good defensive system, and he'll be locked in for another 2-3 seasons.

For us, we get to see what Clifford can do with multiple DPOTY candidates on the one team.

In 2021, we would have:

(Gobert)/Bamba
(Isaac)/Aminu
Gordon/Okeke
(Fournier)/Ross
(Fultz)/2020 FRP/2021 FRP

That's a lot of cap holds and free agents amongst our starting 5, but that gives us room to chase big name FAs. There are some exciting pieces to offer someone to plug and play with. You add Giannis/Kawhi/George/Paul to 2/4 of those free agents and you'll be a contender in the East for sure. Then there's the potential unhappy marquee player market. You never know how life goes, with the right conditions those kinds of names might consider us.

[Skybox]

Golden State has a 17.1 million dollar trade exception, Fournier if he opts in, makes 17. They could also add 3 more years starting at 17. Not sure if they'd give up their first pick for him.

How about Vuc and Fournier if he opts in, for Wiggins and the TPE.




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I'm higher on Wiggins than most, but he is universally considered a negative contract...Why do this? I'd suggest adding a 2020 pick swap to these names...GSW instantly becomes way more complete and ORL becomes way more interesting.

[basketballRob]

Golden State has a 17.1 million dollar trade exception, Fournier if he opts in, makes 17. They could also add 3 more years starting at 17. Not sure if they'd give up their first pick for him.

How about Vuc and Fournier if he opts in, for Wiggins and the TPE.




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I'm higher on Wiggins than most, but he is universally considered a negative contract...Why do this? I'd suggest adding a 2020 pick swap to these names...GSW instantly becomes way more complete and ORL becomes way more interesting.

That would be a win now lineup for them. Maybe Wiggins could play some shooting guard for us. Then if we swapped picks, draft Edwards, Hayes, or Haliburton. Okoro might be a reach at the 4 or 5 pick, but he could be a Jimmy Butler type player.

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