2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[3toheadmelo]

oh well "source" said it so it's true

who wanted to play for the knicks and took the steps to make it happen? RJ. and lo and behold we drafted him

"After working out for the Knicks on Monday, R.J. Barrett told reporters that he will not meet with any other teams and declared that he hopes New York will select him with the third overall pick in the NBA draft on June 20."This is the place I want to be, I hope they draft me"

Yes just like how your "sources" say that Lamelo is at the top of our board

Steph refused to work out for every team besides us so your point is still pretty moot

my source is lavar

And Lavar has no knowledge of who's at the top of our board

[robillionaire]

ur right about steph but that was what 11 years ago, steph didn't have the clout at the time to choose his destination but maybe lamelo does

[HEZI]

[3toheadmelo]

Facts on facts. Wiseman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Onyeka

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[3toheadmelo]

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[HEZI]

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[robillionaire]

sad ppl gonna dig themselves a hole so they have to hate on our pg for the next 15 years on our rise back to greatness

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You taking mad notes tryna figure out who ima pick

[3toheadmelo]

sad ppl gonna dig themselves a hole so they have to hate on our pg for the next 15 years on our rise back to greatness

I dont hate him but I dont think he's a sure fire prospect like the way you think he is. But then again, not much people see Wiseman the same way as me. So each to their own lol

[mpharris36]

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You taking mad notes tryna figure out who ima pick

got over 3 more moths to find out...or a couple days

[ibraheim718]

Hoping the pick isn't going to be Ball. I know we probably don't have a shot at Edwards so we better think outside of the box with this pick and shoot for upside.

[mpharris36]

Hoping the pick isn't going to be Ball. I know we probably don't have a shot at Edwards so we better think outside of the box with this pick and shoot for upside.

kinda how like thibs seems to be pegged for the knicks job it seems LaMelo if we are high enough is pegged for our draft pick.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Luka’s TS is 58%. Lamelo’s is 46%. There’s a big difference.

And the competition is pretty weak at the end of the day. Washed up vets and pros. Who’s the best guy there? Aaron Brooks? Come on. Lol It’s not even close to D1.

He is probably not going to be Luka, so that is ok. His TS% and efficiency over the last 6 games was getting better and improved. That was more the point. He was playing better. It is still def a concern, but something he can improve. The playmaking and passing is what sets him apart though. He can be really good and make a huge impact without nescessarily being super efficient.

Even if you look at D1, how many of those guys even make it to the NBA and have careers? Maybe 1%? Most college players end up in leagues like Australia, except they are bigger/stronger/more experienced. Yea, the top guys in the NCAA are better, but when you look at the overall competition its close. A bunch of dudes in NBL were all conference college players (Bryce Cotton, Casper Ware, etc). Of course most arent good enough to be in the NBA, but thats how most leagues are. Even in this draft, maybe like 15-20 players may actually end up with a long term NBA career?

You just made my case. Byrce Cotton and Casper Ware were nobodies in the NBA. If those players are his best competition then it's pretty obvious the league is very bad lol

Last 6 games doesn't mean much and the numbers are still poor. So he went from extremely terrible to mediocre... im not that impressed.

Like I said, Lamelo is gonna have to make unprecedented history so.. if you want to bet on that then that's you

I am just saying a lot of these dudes were good D1 players. I dont know how college is much better, when its a lot of the same players except they are older/stronger. Of course most are not NBA players else they would be in the NBA. Most college players arent NBA players either (1%).

For LaMelo I would bet on him cause his other skills are so good and he has good size. Its def a combination of skills worth betting on.

[mpharris36]

i think its always tough to compare what league is tougher to play in and is it harder than playing in college. I mean you don't get to see the really top end talent that will be a high pick overseas.

But overall I always go back to I think these overseas teams would beat most if not all college teams. They are proferssionals they are older, stronger, and more skilled overall. I watch a lot of college bball since I'm a PITT fan...most of the games are very low quality basketball when you compare the NBA or even other professional leagues.

Don't get me wrong march madness is a ton of fun. I think the qaulity of play is a bit suspect and to deeez point many of these guys won't even get the opportunity to play overseas.

[Deeeez Knicks]

i think its always tough to compare what league is tougher to play in and is it harder than playing in college. I mean you don't get to see the really top end talent that will be a high pick overseas.

But overall I always go back to I think these overseas teams would beat most if not all college teams. They are proferssionals they are older, stronger, and more skilled overall. I watch a lot of college bball since I'm a PITT fan...most of the games are very low quality basketball when you compare the NBA or even other professional leagues.

Don't get me wrong march madness is a ton of fun. I think the qaulity of play is a bit suspect and to deeez point many of these guys won't even get the opportunity to play overseas.

Yea, that is what I am saying. It's tough to compare leagues, especially to college. The big difference is in the age and experience. It's just tougher playing in pro leagues against grown men when you are 18. You are going up against guys that are more developed, know every trick in the book, and have more strength. They just know to play a little better, smarter with age. It's pretty obvious watching Ball and even Hampton...they are getting muscled around and the lack of strength is really hurting them. It is to be expected though.

You even see it in college when upperclassman have great seasons and lead their teams, but dont have much of a chance in the NBA. Freshman can struggle. A lot of times teams loaded with Freshman nba talent don't go as far in college either as more experienced teams. I still love watching college and there is a ton of talent overall. More raw talent then in the Australian NBL. But age/experience goes a long ways and a lot of freshman would struggle in a pro league like that. Kinda the same reasons it can take players a few years in the NBA too

[robillionaire]

i think its always tough to compare what league is tougher to play in and is it harder than playing in college. I mean you don't get to see the really top end talent that will be a high pick overseas.

But overall I always go back to I think these overseas teams would beat most if not all college teams. They are proferssionals they are older, stronger, and more skilled overall. I watch a lot of college bball since I'm a PITT fan...most of the games are very low quality basketball when you compare the NBA or even other professional leagues.

Don't get me wrong march madness is a ton of fun. I think the qaulity of play is a bit suspect and to deeez point many of these guys won't even get the opportunity to play overseas.

completely unrelated but the first basketball game I went to in my life as a kid was in 1991 during the preseason NIT at rupp arena and kentucky badly lost at home to pittsburgh and some guy named morningstar kicked the everloving shyt out of us. it was a solid UK team too, they were the laettner shot away from the final 4

[mpharris36]

i think its always tough to compare what league is tougher to play in and is it harder than playing in college. I mean you don't get to see the really top end talent that will be a high pick overseas.

But overall I always go back to I think these overseas teams would beat most if not all college teams. They are proferssionals they are older, stronger, and more skilled overall. I watch a lot of college bball since I'm a PITT fan...most of the games are very low quality basketball when you compare the NBA or even other professional leagues.

Don't get me wrong march madness is a ton of fun. I think the qaulity of play is a bit suspect and to deeez point many of these guys won't even get the opportunity to play overseas.

completely unrelated but the first basketball game I went to in my life as a kid was in 1991 during the preseason NIT at rupp arena and kentucky badly lost at home to pittsburgh and some guy named morningstar kicked the everloving shyt out of us. it was a solid UK team too, they were the laettner shot away from the final 4

you got a few years on me my man

[smw6230]

For LaMelo I would bet on him cause his other skills are so good and he has good size. Its def a combination of skills worth betting on.

Lemme add this.

My view on Lamelo is similar to my final position on RJ last year. On RJ I didn't love him and would have selected Zion or (possible) Ja ahead of him.

What moved me to embrace RJ was

1. He clearly was the 3rd best player in the draft.
2. Basketball is important to RJ.

The latter IMO is the critical evaluation point.

RJ had/has some holes in his game but I was willing to overlook those holes because basketball is important to RJ. Because basketball is important to RJ I have zero concerns about his dedication to improve in his craft.

Or to put it another way RJ is self-motivated. He may not turn out to be great, but through hard work he'll maximize his talent. And his talent isn't insignificant.

Talent and skill only take you so far. That burning hunger to be something/somebody is what drives men to greatness. Its what drives them to practice while others rest. Its what drives them to shoot 100 more FTs than the best FT shooter on the team. There is simply no way to measure or evaluate someones heart.

By definition Tom Brady was a average QB coming outta Michigan. Nothing jumped off the page about him. He looked like a "guy".

What nobody could measure was his heart. His burning desire to be great. His willingness to sacrifice personal pleasure (a beer) during the season, because he thought it'd damage his play or conditioning.

Back to Lamelo, as you mention he has the tools. I can see that. What I'd need to find out, if I were MSG management, is how important is basketball to Lamelo?

[Deeeez Knicks]

For LaMelo I would bet on him cause his other skills are so good and he has good size. Its def a combination of skills worth betting on.

Lemme add this.

My view on Lamelo is similar to my final position on RJ last year. On RJ I didn't love him and would have selected Zion or (possible) Ja ahead of him.

What moved me to embrace RJ was

1. He clearly was the 3rd best player in the draft.
2. Basketball is important to RJ.

The latter IMO is the critical evaluation point.

Talent and skill only take you so far. That burning hunger to be something/somebody is what drives men to greatness. Its what drives them to practice while others rest. Its what drives them to shoot 100 more FTs than the best FT shooter on the team. There is simply no way to measure or evaluate someones heart.

By definition Tom Brady was a average QB coming outta Michigan. Nothing jumped off the page about him. He looked like a "guy".

What nobody could measure was his heart. His burning desire to be great. His willingness to sacrifice personal pleasure (a beer) during the season, because he thought it'd damage his play or conditioning.

Back to Lamelo, as you mention he has the tools. I can see that. What I'd need to find out, if I were MSG management, is how important is basketball to Lamelo?

I def agree with that too. It is one of the reasons I liked RJ too and think he can continue getting better.

With Ball, I dont know either way. Maybe some bad signs, but its just hard to say from the outside. Lonzo seems to be doing good.
It sounds like Rose at least has a line into those kinds of things.