2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[jredsaz]

https://www.inquisitr.com/6115435/suns-russell-westbrook/

No thanks. When he starts to fall off, he's falling off a cliff at terminal velocity.

Idk. For Rubio and Oubre? Rought contract. But he gets us to the playoffs next season. Possibly second round.

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[asudevil]

It's hard to say with the 2021 salary cap up in the air. It think the last projection is set at the same number as this year which is $109,140,000.

1.Booker 29,467,800
2. Rubio 17,000,000
3. Oubre 14,375,000
4. Ayton 10,018,200
5. Bridges 4,359,000
6. Johnson 4,235,160
7. Jerome 2,303,040
8. Lecque 1,517,981
9. Pick #10 4,473,720
10. incomplete roster charge 946,543
11. incomplete roster charge 946,543
12. incomplete roster charge 946,543

Guaranteed + cap holds for our draft pick and incomplete roster charges = 90,589,530
Max cap space: 18,550,470
Biggest contract we can offer someone: four-year $78.6M

Team options and non-guaranteed:
Kaminsky 5,005,350
Payne 1,977,011
Diallo 1,824,003
Okobo 1,663,861

Cap holds for our free agents, if we want to keep them:
Saric 10,445,958 (qualifying offer - 5,087,871)
Baynes 10,361,232
Carter 1,937,273 (qualifying offer - 1,922,425)

So...can we offer to Saric his qualifying offer ($5M) and then sign a player for around $13M per year?

And AFTER that sign Baynes with our full mid-level exception ($9M) and Carter as a two-year minimun contract (or similar)?

If that's possible we can add to our core a pretty good player via FA.

I thought the exceptions (MLE, LLE etc.) were exceptions to the cap, meaning only teams already over the cap could use them?

I.e. teams under the cap use cap space to acquire players, while teams over the cap have the exceptions to acquire players.

You are correct. All exceptions count against the cap (MLE, LLE, Traded Player). So our MLE and LLE count against the cap unless they are renounced, meaning they cannot be used.

See Larry Coon's Cap FAQ, part 26

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Please give me Serge Ibaka.


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Ibaka would definitely be awesome for us for sure. Otherwise the other free agency target I would consider is Davis Bertrans. I see him as a budget version of Gallinari. I might even look to do something along these lines.

1- Revisit the Kennard trade. The 10th pick for Kennard **( IF he passes his physical). Then look to buy an early 2nd round pick to use for Paul Reed. Then in free agency, I would look to Sign Bertrans to a deal around 42/3. ( 14 per). And then offer the full midlevel exception to Justin Holiday ( solid defensive 2/3) ? And finally resign Baynes.

If Kennard doesn't, Then perhaps we look to trade the 10th pick to Philly for Josh Richardson/ 20/ 34th pick.
20/34th picks.
20- Draft Riller or Tyrell Terry. ( Bench scoring).
34- Draft Paul Reed ( Backup 3/4).
*** Trade Oubre to New York for Bobby Portis contract (* 15 million team option in 2020) which we'll decline, AND THE DALLAS UNPROTECTED 2021 FIRST ROUND PICK.
*** We trade Oubre for the cap space to sign Bertrans or Gallinari. AND get the Dallas unprotected 2021 first as a HUGE SWEETENER!!! Even though we lose Oubre, We now actually have the cap space ( around 25 million)? to sign Gallinari to around 72/3. This is our BIG TIME! "Swing for the fences" move.

With these moves, our opening night roster should look something like this:

Starters-

Rubio/ Booker/ Bridges/ Gallinari/ Ayton.

2nd Unit-

Riller/ Richardson/ Cam/ Reed/ Baynes.
Or Terry ???

3rd Unit-

Carter/ Jerome/ Bridges/ Cam/ Reed?

That's a super potent scoring starting 5, And a 2nd and 3rd unit with perfect balance of high level scoring and high level defense, Alternating throughout the roster. Tons of potential switchable versatile wings still too. And best of all, Gallinari/ Booker/ Ayton/ Cam have the potential to help make us a top 5 offense potentially. And then you have the elite defensive potential of Richardson/ Bridges/ Reed/ Baynes. Icing on the cake is that Gallinari is really good friends with Booker and his family, So this can potentially help keep his interests with us!

If we'd rather go cheaper, then we simply substitute Gallo for Bertrans, Again at around 42/3 ( 14 per). And then we still have around 11 million to add maybe Maurice Harkless or a Jae Crowder perhaps OR AGAIN, We could simply opt to keep Oubre, Pass on Josh Richardson altogether, Trade the 10 for Delon Wright/ 18.

18- Draft Paul Reed. ( defensive 3-5 option).
Then in free agency, We offer .......................

Bertrans- 42/3.
Jordan Mcrae- 12/2.
Justin Holiday- Full midlevel exception.

Great offseason???

[jredsaz]

So...can we offer to Saric his qualifying offer ($5M) and then sign a player for around $13M per year?

And AFTER that sign Baynes with our full mid-level exception ($9M) and Carter as a two-year minimun contract (or similar)?

If that's possible we can add to our core a pretty good player via FA.

I thought the exceptions (MLE, LLE etc.) were exceptions to the cap, meaning only teams already over the cap could use them?

I.e. teams under the cap use cap space to acquire players, while teams over the cap have the exceptions to acquire players.

You are correct. All exceptions count against the cap (MLE, LLE, Traded Player). So our MLE and LLE count against the cap unless they are renounced, meaning they cannot be used.

See Larry Coon's Cap FAQ, part 26

Suns would still have the room exception. To use. Kaminsky got it last year.

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[Wilber85]

Suns should keep Saric, Baynes and somehow get Mirotic from overseas as well.

Hope we get a better pick as well and get Melo or Halliburton, and boom ! We are back if we stay healthy

Rubio, Melo or Halliburton
Booker : Vet (Who can we get
Oubre : Bridges
Mirotic : Saric (Even minutes and try out roster fits)
Ayton : Baynes

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Suns should keep Saric, Baynes and somehow get Mirotic from overseas as well.

Hope we get a better pick as well and get Melo or Halliburton, and boom ! We are back if we stay healthy

Rubio, Melo or Halliburton
Booker : Vet (Who can we get
Oubre : Bridges
Mirotic : Saric (Even minutes and try out roster fits)
Ayton : Baynes

The way things are looking, I think we'll give Saric the QO and plan to offer Baynes a solid contract... but then again, there are just a ton of solid players in free agency this year whom we are likely to covet (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-free-agency-top-70-players-who-could-be-available-in-upcoming-offseason/).

One way to think about the Kelly Oubre situation is by looking at it as a choice between Kelly and Baynes+Saric. I know bw would take Baynes and Saric over Kelly (because he'd take Baynes over Kelly), but I wonder what the board thinks. By trading Kelly into cap space (and say, a draft asset... okay I'm basically just eyeballing Golden State over there), you get enough money to keep Aron and Saric and don't have to worry about an explosive salary negotiation next summer. You still have enough money to go after pretty much whomever in free agency - you just have to convince the player that he'll fit.

In any case, there are a couple things I know are wrong with your depth chart. First, Bridges starts, because you DO NOT bring one of the league's best defenders off the bench: great defenders need to be matched with great offensive players or it defeats their purpose. Second, you're missing Cam Johnson my man!

[bwgood77]

Suns should keep Saric, Baynes and somehow get Mirotic from overseas as well.

Hope we get a better pick as well and get Melo or Halliburton, and boom ! We are back if we stay healthy

Rubio, Melo or Halliburton
Booker : Vet (Who can we get
Oubre : Bridges
Mirotic : Saric (Even minutes and try out roster fits)
Ayton : Baynes

The way things are looking, I think we'll give Saric the QO and plan to offer Baynes a solid contract... but then again, there are just a ton of solid players in free agency this year whom we are likely to covet (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-free-agency-top-70-players-who-could-be-available-in-upcoming-offseason/).

One way to think about the Kelly Oubre situation is by looking at it as a choice between Kelly and Baynes+Saric. I know bw would take Baynes and Saric over Kelly (because he'd take Baynes over Kelly), but I wonder what the board thinks. By trading Kelly into cap space (and say, a draft asset... okay I'm basically just eyeballing Golden State over there), you get enough money to keep Aron and Saric and don't have to worry about an explosive salary negotiation next summer. You still have enough money to go after pretty much whomever in free agency - you just have to convince the player that he'll fit.

In any case, there are a couple things I know are wrong with your depth chart. First, Bridges starts, because you DO NOT bring one of the league's best defenders off the bench: great defenders need to be matched with great offensive players or it defeats their purpose. Second, you're missing Cam Johnson my man!

Thanks for telling me what I would do. I don't think it's an either/or thing. For me on Kelly, as I've mentioned, it depends on money. But at a reasonable contract, I'd keep him, and we can keep them all if we want, for now. Kelly isn't up for a new contract until next summer and I don't anticipate Baynes would be here more than 2 years, which is when Ayton and Bridges are up for new contracts.

But I don't view Kelly as a must keep option at this point if he wants a lot of money because I feel good about Bridges and Cam. It also comes down to how Kelly plays next year and if he kind of had a career year this year or if he will continue to improve. I don't know that he will get much better defensively or distributing the ball so those are things you would likely have to live with, but if he could at least improve his 3 ball and decision making on driving into heavy traffic and hopefully improving his % at the rim. I think he's a nice player as your 4th guy or something but not necessarily like your 2nd or 3rd guy if you want to be a playoff team, especially a mid tier playoff team.

[Crives]

Good news. Just need Rubio now.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

[nevetsov]

1- Danilo Gallinari. 60/3 (3rd year TO)
2- Davis Bertrans. 42/3 (3rd year PO)
3- Christian Wood 45/4 (4th year TO)
4- Dario Saric 16/2 (2nd year TO)

5- Paul Milsap 19/2 (2nd year TO)
6- Serge Ibaka 14/2 (2nd year TO)
7- Derrick Favors would not sign.

[jredsaz]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

Bertans
Woods
Grant
Saric

I'm not super interested in paying for Galo or Milsap, taking a risk on a paid and Magic like motivated Ibaka, or signing a non-stretch Favors.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Without knowing what the cap will look like it's impossible to know what guys will command in FA. There's a real chance of a significant drop and if that happens like 90% of the league won't have more than the mle for FAs. And that's assuming this bubble works and the season finishes... if things go to hell it will be nuclear for the cap for years.

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[jredsaz]

Suns should keep Saric, Baynes and somehow get Mirotic from overseas as well.

Hope we get a better pick as well and get Melo or Halliburton, and boom ! We are back if we stay healthy

Rubio, Melo or Halliburton
Booker : Vet (Who can we get
Oubre : Bridges
Mirotic : Saric (Even minutes and try out roster fits)
Ayton : Baynes

The way things are looking, I think we'll give Saric the QO and plan to offer Baynes a solid contract... but then again, there are just a ton of solid players in free agency this year whom we are likely to covet (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-free-agency-top-70-players-who-could-be-available-in-upcoming-offseason/).

One way to think about the Kelly Oubre situation is by looking at it as a choice between Kelly and Baynes+Saric. I know bw would take Baynes and Saric over Kelly (because he'd take Baynes over Kelly), but I wonder what the board thinks. By trading Kelly into cap space (and say, a draft asset... okay I'm basically just eyeballing Golden State over there), you get enough money to keep Aron and Saric and don't have to worry about an explosive salary negotiation next summer. You still have enough money to go after pretty much whomever in free agency - you just have to convince the player that he'll fit.

In any case, there are a couple things I know are wrong with your depth chart. First, Bridges starts, because you DO NOT bring one of the league's best defenders off the bench: great defenders need to be matched with great offensive players or it defeats their purpose. Second, you're missing Cam Johnson my man!

I wonder about GSW and if they will really utilize all of their TPE. They are over $140 mil in guaranteed deals for next year as is. Granted, their first is going to add anywhere between $10 and $6 million depending on where they land in the lottery.

However, if they were to do the #10/Oubre for let's say the #4 pick, Warriors are paying over $46 million in luxury taxes over and above what they would have paid just for the #4 pick. I just dont see the ownership doing that in a Covid economy.

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[jredsaz]

Without knowing what the cap will look like it's impossible to know what guys will command in FA. There's a real chance of a significant drop and if that happens like 90% of the league won't have more than the mle for FAs. And that's assuming this bubble works and the season finishes... if things go to hell it will be nuclear for the cap for years.

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If the NBA can finish in the bubble the speculation is a smoothed cap at or near 19/20 levels for the next two seasons. Its combined with a larger escrow share taken out of the players salaries to adjust for the revenue split in a dowm economy. Like you said, if they cant finish the playoffs the entire CBA might have to get renegotiated. Think the Suns are in a good position to land a good free agent because the limited space league wide. I hope it lasts.

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[Saberestar]

Good news. Just need Rubio now.

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Okobo, Rubio, Lecque, Baynes and Owens are the players that no one has seen in the bubble yet.

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[cberry78]

Good news. Just need Rubio now.

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Okobo, Rubio, Lecque, Baynes and Owens are the players that no one has seen in the bubble yet.

There was a vid of Cam, Saric, Rubio, and some other people playing on the Disney beach and Baynes is in the background. I'm pretty sure it was posted in the Cam Johnson thread.

EDIT: here I think (if I did it right lol)- viewtopic.php?p=83572452#p83572452

EDIT 2: Jerome, not Rubio

[Saberestar]

Good news. Just need Rubio now.

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Okobo, Rubio, Lecque, Baynes and Owens are the players that no one has seen in the bubble yet.

There was a vid of Cam, Saric, Rubio, and some other people playing on the Disney beach and Baynes is in the background. I'm pretty sure it was posted in the Cam Johnson thread.

EDIT: here I think (if I did it right lol)- viewtopic.php?p=83572452#p83572452

EDIT 2: Jerome, not Rubio

I am not seeing Baynes in that vid.

Well, it doesn't matter too much. We are less than a week away from the first scrimmage, so pretty soon we will know for sure who is available or not for that game.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Okobo, Rubio, Lecque, Baynes and Owens are the players that no one has seen in the bubble yet.

There was a vid of Cam, Saric, Rubio, and some other people playing on the Disney beach and Baynes is in the background. I'm pretty sure it was posted in the Cam Johnson thread.

EDIT: here I think (if I did it right lol)- viewtopic.php?p=83572452#p83572452

EDIT 2: Jerome, not Rubio

I am not seeing Baynes in that vid.

Well, it doesn't matter too much. We are less than a week away from the first scrimmage, so pretty soon we will know for sure who is available or not for that game.

That was my mistake on Baynes. I thought that was him in the background but after rewatching I think it's Frank. Got my tall bearded white guys mixed up lol

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[Weemsickew14]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

1. Wood (Best player on the list, I think a team will throw a lot of money at him and rightfully so. He and Ayton would be great, but maybe too big and we probably cannot afford)

2a. Serge (Probably stays in Toronto, but I like the fit hopefully we can get him at the right price. Our defense would be scary good)

2b. Gallo (Think he will be overpaid for his age, but if the price is right im all for it and he is close with Booker)

4a. Bertans (On a roughly 15m/year deal I love the idea of Bertans coming off the bench for us)

4b. Dario (With Dario looking in great shape, I would love to see him perform well in Orlando and allow us to focus on getting a 3rd scoring/creating guard. Also would be very affordable. I like Dario)

6. Milsap (Good fit off the bench. Would not pay him a lot unless it is 1 year deal. Would prefer Dario)

7. Favors (Don't like the fit unless Baynes is not coming back)