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Franchise SportsThe Atlanta Hawks must make a decision with John Collins
Trade or extension: What should the Hawks do?
After a three-year tank job, the Atlanta Hawks have put together a roster to compete for the NBA playoffs next season. Like with most young rosters, extensions present headaches for General Managers. These extensions give an insight to the direction of the franchise.
First-up is power forward John Collins...the 22-year old is having a monster year. He is averaging career highs in points (21.6), rebounds (10.1), field-goal percentage (58.3), 3-PT percentage (40.1), free throw percentage (80) and blocks (1.6) in 33.2 minutes per game (also career high).Spoiler:
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Jamaaliver wrote:Franchise SportsThe Atlanta Hawks must make a decision with John Collins
Trade or extension: What should the Hawks do?
After a three-year tank job, the Atlanta Hawks have put together a roster to compete for the NBA playoffs next season. Like with most young rosters, extensions present headaches for General Managers. These extensions give an insight to the direction of the franchise.
First-up is power forward John Collins...the 22-year old is having a monster year. He is averaging career highs in points (21.6), rebounds (10.1), field-goal percentage (58.3), 3-PT percentage (40.1), free throw percentage (80) and blocks (1.6) in 33.2 minutes per game (also career high).Spoiler:
If NY wants to get their hands on JC, starting point is Mitchell Robinson and the pick.
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Robinson can’t play with Capela & Schlenk said he doesn’t want more picks. And that person suggests trading Collins for better defense & then mentions Lauri Markkannen who is worse defensively than Collins & been one the worst defending PF’s in the league lol
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Pay the man, it's really that simple. 4 years and go as high as $100 million if you have to. He gets better every year and he's already really damn good. We're not going to find a better replacement at the same price so what's the point of not signing him?
My ONLY concern about this is how COVID will affect the NBA economy over the next few years? I would find a way to tie that into the contract, i.e., the contract goes down year by year if the league takes a big hit and the salary cap goes down.
My ONLY concern about this is how COVID will affect the NBA economy over the next few years? I would find a way to tie that into the contract, i.e., the contract goes down year by year if the league takes a big hit and the salary cap goes down.
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shakes0 wrote:Pay the man, it's really that simple. 4 years and go as high as $100 million if you have to. He gets better every year and he's already really damn good. We're not going to find a better replacement at the same price so what's the point of not signing him?
My ONLY concern about this is how COVID will affect the NBA economy over the next few years? I would find a way to tie that into the contract, i.e., the contract goes down year by year if the league takes a big hit and the salary cap goes down.
Seriously who are you? You say the exact same things I do in ur posts here as in mine in the other planet. Lol. Pay the man, you learn well. I likes it.
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Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Franchise SportsThe Atlanta Hawks must make a decision with John Collins
Trade or extension: What should the Hawks do?
After a three-year tank job, the Atlanta Hawks have put together a roster to compete for the NBA playoffs next season. Like with most young rosters, extensions present headaches for General Managers. These extensions give an insight to the direction of the franchise.
First-up is power forward John Collins...the 22-year old is having a monster year. He is averaging career highs in points (21.6), rebounds (10.1), field-goal percentage (58.3), 3-PT percentage (40.1), free throw percentage (80) and blocks (1.6) in 33.2 minutes per game (also career high).Spoiler:
If NY wants to get their hands on JC, starting point is Mitchell Robinson and the pick.
As a start, ok.....but in reality I just wouldn't. Nothing in this draft intrigues me enough to move JC if the focus is on the playoffs next season. As Ball4Life pointed out, how do you pair Robinson and Capela. Even if we select Toppin to replace JC, there's still a rookie learning curve, then we have another rookie as well with our own pick.
This would be a step back into rebuilding territory.
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jayu70 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Franchise Sports
If NY wants to get their hands on JC, starting point is Mitchell Robinson and the pick.
As a start, ok.....but in reality I just wouldn't. Nothing in this draft intrigues me enough to move JC if the focus is on the playoffs next season. As Ball4Life pointed out, how do you pair Robinson and Capela. Even if we select Toppin to replace JC, there's still a rookie learning curve, then we have another rookie as well with our own pick.
This would be a step back into rebuilding territory.
There's no combination of Knick assets that would even get me to the table on a Collins deal.
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kg01 wrote:jayu70 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:
If NY wants to get their hands on JC, starting point is Mitchell Robinson and the pick.
As a start, ok.....but in reality I just wouldn't. Nothing in this draft intrigues me enough to move JC if the focus is on the playoffs next season. As Ball4Life pointed out, how do you pair Robinson and Capela. Even if we select Toppin to replace JC, there's still a rookie learning curve, then we have another rookie as well with our own pick.
This would be a step back into rebuilding territory.
There's no combination of Knick assets that would even get me to the table on a Collins deal.
Right, ok but see what I did there was set you up to look nice. As you run down the court witcha 2 likes nod ya head at the spudster and acknowledge the assist. Don’t be a new schooler.
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Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:jayu70 wrote:As a start, ok.....but in reality I just wouldn't. Nothing in this draft intrigues me enough to move JC if the focus is on the playoffs next season. As Ball4Life pointed out, how do you pair Robinson and Capela. Even if we select Toppin to replace JC, there's still a rookie learning curve, then we have another rookie as well with our own pick.
This would be a step back into rebuilding territory.
There's no combination of Knick assets that would even get me to the table on a Collins deal.
Right, ok but see what I did there was set you up to look nice. As you run down the court witcha 2 likes nod ya head at the spudster and acknowledge the assist. Don’t be a new schooler.
I just pointed at you as we ran back on defense to acknowledge the assist.
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kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:
There's no combination of Knick assets that would even get me to the table on a Collins deal.
Right, ok but see what I did there was set you up to look nice. As you run down the court witcha 2 likes nod ya head at the spudster and acknowledge the assist. Don’t be a new schooler.
I just pointed at you as we ran back on defense to acknowledge the assist.
Thank you!!!! Is that so hard. Why aren’t people doing this on the courts anymore. Is this something new?
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Windhorst @ ESPN saying with some conviction/certainty that Bam won't be getting extended by MIA so that the Heat has max opportunity to pursue 2021 free agents.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258934/Heat-Unlikely-To-Extend-Bam-Adebayo-To-Preserve-2021-Cap-Space
If Bam isn't, given his cap hold situation and its implications, is it not more likely that JC also won't, given his cap hold?
Seems probable but maybe less certain than MIA simply b/c there's some reasonable chance that Schlenk perceives his best opportunities to maximize talent acquisition and cap space is sooner, not later--though, less that he has exceptional opportunities now, more that he has less competition now in the market place, and a significant cut-back on the cap and tax thresholds may severely limit what he can do next off-season anyhow.
Of the three possibilities--extend, wait and match an RFA offer, or trade--I'm about as uncommitted as one can be, at least for now. I give each a 33.3% chance.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258934/Heat-Unlikely-To-Extend-Bam-Adebayo-To-Preserve-2021-Cap-Space
If Bam isn't, given his cap hold situation and its implications, is it not more likely that JC also won't, given his cap hold?
Seems probable but maybe less certain than MIA simply b/c there's some reasonable chance that Schlenk perceives his best opportunities to maximize talent acquisition and cap space is sooner, not later--though, less that he has exceptional opportunities now, more that he has less competition now in the market place, and a significant cut-back on the cap and tax thresholds may severely limit what he can do next off-season anyhow.
Of the three possibilities--extend, wait and match an RFA offer, or trade--I'm about as uncommitted as one can be, at least for now. I give each a 33.3% chance.
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The John Collins rookie extension
Collins has been open about saying he deserves a max extension this offseason. The third year forward is certainly deserving of a lucrative contract.
After he served a 25-game suspension, the forward put together career highs for minutes (33.2), field goal percentage (58.3%), 3-point percentage (40.1%), rebounds (10.1) and points (21.6).
But the decision to extend Collins is complicated. So, what should Atlanta do? Treat Collins like a franchise player. Instead of pitching Collins on why he should stay in Atlanta, explain the value of how holding off on a new contract would be beneficial to the team.
In the free-agency presentation, it is critical for Atlanta to show Collins and his representatives a salary-cap breakdown in 2020 and 2021, plus the free-agent targets. Allowing Collins to be part of the process of how the Hawks should be built and not a bystander is critical in building trust between the two sides.
One thing Atlanta cannot afford is to have Collins come to training camp disgruntled because there is a miscommunication about why there is no extension.
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Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Franchise SportsThe Atlanta Hawks must make a decision with John Collins
Trade or extension: What should the Hawks do?
After a three-year tank job, the Atlanta Hawks have put together a roster to compete for the NBA playoffs next season. Like with most young rosters, extensions present headaches for General Managers. These extensions give an insight to the direction of the franchise.
First-up is power forward John Collins...the 22-year old is having a monster year. He is averaging career highs in points (21.6), rebounds (10.1), field-goal percentage (58.3), 3-PT percentage (40.1), free throw percentage (80) and blocks (1.6) in 33.2 minutes per game (also career high).Spoiler:
If NY wants to get their hands on JC, starting point is Mitchell Robinson and the pick.
I know we Knicks fans overrate Mitchell Robinson but that is too steep of an asking price for John Collins.
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If we trade John Collins now I don't see how Trae Young can be confident the team keeps it's young talent(s) going forward. We take steps back by not extending him and making him part of the future.
In a couple of years if we believe it's in the teams best interest to trade him, fine, but noe isn't the time.
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In a couple of years if we believe it's in the teams best interest to trade him, fine, but noe isn't the time.
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Worst_to_First wrote:Spud2nique wrote:If NY wants to get their hands on JC, starting point is Mitchell Robinson and the pick.
I know we Knicks fans overrate Mitchell Robinson but that is too steep of an asking price for John Collins.
Atlanta fans (and the majority of the NBA world) greatly disagree...
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Jamaaliver wrote:Worst_to_First wrote:Spud2nique wrote:If NY wants to get their hands on JC, starting point is Mitchell Robinson and the pick.
I know we Knicks fans overrate Mitchell Robinson but that is too steep of an asking price for John Collins.
Atlanta fans (and the majority of the NBA world) greatly disagree...
You guys should just keep JC.
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