Moderators: HomoSapien, Ice Man, dougthonus, Tommy Udo 6 , DASMACKDOWN, GimmeDat, Payt10, RedBulls23, coldfish, fleet, AshyLarrysDiaper, kulaz3000, Michael Jackson
MrFortune3 wrote:dice wrote:wonderboy2 wrote:Knicks might become scary. Thibs is a boss of a coach. It seems like the bulls new ownership might be puppets of Reisndorf.
did the wolves become scary? they had more talent than the knicks
They had two of the softest "superstars" I have ever seen in my life.
KAT and Wiggins should be two way monsters and straight up dominant but they refuse to give defensive effort
FriedRise wrote:I think Thibs didn't work in Minny because they gave him too much responsibility. They tried to turn him into Pop there with the coach + president of basketball operations role, and we all know there's only ever gonna be one Pop. When his role is limited to just coaching (a.k.a his Chicago stint), he's done pretty well.
It's kinda similar to what the Bulls did with Jim Boylen last year by giving him other responsibilities to do on top of being a head coach, like dealing with players agents, meeting with season ticket holders, etc. It's weird that we don't have the staff to do this kind of stuff, but I guess that's what you can expect from a small market mom and pop shop like the Chicago Bulls. Why spend more money hiring more people to do specialized things if you can do more with less? Maybe that's what AK/Eversley are thinking - that if Jimbo is limited to just coaching, he'll do better (which I highly doubt).
coldfish wrote:As far as Thibs in Minnesota, let's not forget that Thibs worked out a deal where the Bulls got Wiggins and not Lavine, minus an asset. Taylor stepped in and vetoed the trade. He forced Thibs to give up Lavine instead and then gave Wiggins a full max contract while telling Butler no on the same thing. Butler forced his way out as a result.
If not for that, Minnesota would have had Lavine, Butler and Towns for the long term.
The reason Thibs didn't work out in Minnesota was simply that.
Man, I couldn't imagine how bad things would be for Chicago if they had Wiggins on a long term max instead of Lavine at $20m.
Jcool0 wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:dice wrote:did the wolves become scary? they had more talent than the knicks
They had two of the softest "superstars" I have ever seen in my life.
KAT and Wiggins should be two way monsters and straight up dominant but they refuse to give defensive effort
And NY has what exactly?
Leslie Forman wrote:coldfish wrote:As far as Thibs in Minnesota, let's not forget that Thibs worked out a deal where the Bulls got Wiggins and not Lavine, minus an asset. Taylor stepped in and vetoed the trade. He forced Thibs to give up Lavine instead and then gave Wiggins a full max contract while telling Butler no on the same thing. Butler forced his way out as a result.
If not for that, Minnesota would have had Lavine, Butler and Towns for the long term.
The reason Thibs didn't work out in Minnesota was simply that.
Man, I couldn't imagine how bad things would be for Chicago if they had Wiggins on a long term max instead of Lavine at $20m.
It also screwed Thibs from going after Kyrie Irving with that Butler package, when Irving had Minnesota on his shortlist. He very well could have ended up with Irving/Butler/Towns.
Glen Taylor is the real enemy of that franchise but from what I've observed, Minnesota fans, frankly, just don't care about winning all that much. They are maybe the least winning-concerned fanbase in the league, which I guess is a decent way of coping with the awfulness of their franchise.
coldfish wrote:FriedRise wrote:I think Thibs didn't work in Minny because they gave him too much responsibility. They tried to turn him into Pop there with the coach + president of basketball operations role, and we all know there's only ever gonna be one Pop. When his role is limited to just coaching (a.k.a his Chicago stint), he's done pretty well.
It's kinda similar to what the Bulls did with Jim Boylen last year by giving him other responsibilities to do on top of being a head coach, like dealing with players agents, meeting with season ticket holders, etc. It's weird that we don't have the staff to do this kind of stuff, but I guess that's what you can expect from a small market mom and pop shop like the Chicago Bulls. Why spend more money hiring more people to do specialized things if you can do more with less? Maybe that's what AK/Eversley are thinking - that if Jimbo is limited to just coaching, he'll do better (which I highly doubt).
As far as Thibs in Minnesota, let's not forget that Thibs worked out a deal where the Bulls got Wiggins and not Lavine, minus an asset. Taylor stepped in and vetoed the trade. He forced Thibs to give up Lavine instead and then gave Wiggins a full max contract while telling Butler no on the same thing. Butler forced his way out as a result.
If not for that, Minnesota would have had Lavine, Butler and Towns for the long term.
The reason Thibs didn't work out in Minnesota was simply that.
Man, I couldn't imagine how bad things would be for Chicago if they had Wiggins on a long term max instead of Lavine at $20m.
dice wrote:coldfish wrote:FriedRise wrote:I think Thibs didn't work in Minny because they gave him too much responsibility. They tried to turn him into Pop there with the coach + president of basketball operations role, and we all know there's only ever gonna be one Pop. When his role is limited to just coaching (a.k.a his Chicago stint), he's done pretty well.
It's kinda similar to what the Bulls did with Jim Boylen last year by giving him other responsibilities to do on top of being a head coach, like dealing with players agents, meeting with season ticket holders, etc. It's weird that we don't have the staff to do this kind of stuff, but I guess that's what you can expect from a small market mom and pop shop like the Chicago Bulls. Why spend more money hiring more people to do specialized things if you can do more with less? Maybe that's what AK/Eversley are thinking - that if Jimbo is limited to just coaching, he'll do better (which I highly doubt).
As far as Thibs in Minnesota, let's not forget that Thibs worked out a deal where the Bulls got Wiggins and not Lavine, minus an asset. Taylor stepped in and vetoed the trade. He forced Thibs to give up Lavine instead and then gave Wiggins a full max contract while telling Butler no on the same thing. Butler forced his way out as a result.
If not for that, Minnesota would have had Lavine, Butler and Towns for the long term.
The reason Thibs didn't work out in Minnesota was simply that.
Man, I couldn't imagine how bad things would be for Chicago if they had Wiggins on a long term max instead of Lavine at $20m.
another reason thibs didn't work out in minny is that he stopped being good at the thing he was known for: improving defenses
coldfish wrote:FriedRise wrote:I think Thibs didn't work in Minny because they gave him too much responsibility. They tried to turn him into Pop there with the coach + president of basketball operations role, and we all know there's only ever gonna be one Pop. When his role is limited to just coaching (a.k.a his Chicago stint), he's done pretty well.
It's kinda similar to what the Bulls did with Jim Boylen last year by giving him other responsibilities to do on top of being a head coach, like dealing with players agents, meeting with season ticket holders, etc. It's weird that we don't have the staff to do this kind of stuff, but I guess that's what you can expect from a small market mom and pop shop like the Chicago Bulls. Why spend more money hiring more people to do specialized things if you can do more with less? Maybe that's what AK/Eversley are thinking - that if Jimbo is limited to just coaching, he'll do better (which I highly doubt).
As far as Thibs in Minnesota, let's not forget that Thibs worked out a deal where the Bulls got Wiggins and not Lavine, minus an asset. Taylor stepped in and vetoed the trade. He forced Thibs to give up Lavine instead and then gave Wiggins a full max contract while telling Butler no on the same thing. Butler forced his way out as a result.
If not for that, Minnesota would have had Lavine, Butler and Towns for the long term.
The reason Thibs didn't work out in Minnesota was simply that.
Man, I couldn't imagine how bad things would be for Chicago if they had Wiggins on a long term max instead of Lavine at $20m.
The Evidence wrote:Knicks need to be stealth tanking every year for a superstar.
Not aiming for the 8 seed with their mediocre talent.
This is chess, not checkers.
Red8911 wrote:I hate the Knicks so I hate it when they always pick up former Bulls players or coaches. Feel like it happens all the time with them, they have signed Rose, Noah, Gibson, and many others in the past years. Seems like they are obsessed with us lol.
Anyway Thibs was a very good signing for them and he will definitely get the best out of that no talent team. Having said that though it’s probably one of the toughest jobs to have right now. Many Knicks fans are excited but I’m sure in time they will probably hate him especially if they aren’t winning.
TheStig wrote:That's funny people say that. The Nets couldn't tank and aimed for the 8th seed and then got two superstars.
NY, like LA, are the places that guys really want to come if you're respectable. NY has been tanking for a star for a decade.
Jimako10 wrote:dice wrote:coldfish wrote:
As far as Thibs in Minnesota, let's not forget that Thibs worked out a deal where the Bulls got Wiggins and not Lavine, minus an asset. Taylor stepped in and vetoed the trade. He forced Thibs to give up Lavine instead and then gave Wiggins a full max contract while telling Butler no on the same thing. Butler forced his way out as a result.
If not for that, Minnesota would have had Lavine, Butler and Towns for the long term.
The reason Thibs didn't work out in Minnesota was simply that.
Man, I couldn't imagine how bad things would be for Chicago if they had Wiggins on a long term max instead of Lavine at $20m.
another reason thibs didn't work out in minny is that he stopped being good at the thing he was known for: improving defenses
BUT he became good at the thing he wasn't known for: improving offenses....I believe he had the 2 best offensive ratings in Timberwolves history.
The Evidence wrote:TheStig wrote:That's funny people say that. The Nets couldn't tank and aimed for the 8th seed and then got two superstars.
NY, like LA, are the places that guys really want to come if you're respectable. NY has been tanking for a star for a decade.
Have the Knicks been tanking all-decade tho?
They tried going half-in with those Melo and Amar'e teams in the early teens.
They got unlucky with the start of their Post-Melo rebuild with the Porzingis injuries and then with 17 and 18 being weak drafts.
They have a terrible reputation as an organization and the Thibodeau style is outdated now. Not to mention the pressure of saving a starved franchise.
I just don't see the recruiting angle or FAs running to join the Knicks if they're the 6-8 seed (like the Brooklyn scenario which materialized for several reasons unrelated to their record).
Leslie Forman wrote:coldfish wrote:As far as Thibs in Minnesota, let's not forget that Thibs worked out a deal where the Bulls got Wiggins and not Lavine, minus an asset. Taylor stepped in and vetoed the trade. He forced Thibs to give up Lavine instead and then gave Wiggins a full max contract while telling Butler no on the same thing. Butler forced his way out as a result.
If not for that, Minnesota would have had Lavine, Butler and Towns for the long term.
The reason Thibs didn't work out in Minnesota was simply that.
Man, I couldn't imagine how bad things would be for Chicago if they had Wiggins on a long term max instead of Lavine at $20m.
It also screwed Thibs from going after Kyrie Irving with that Butler package, when Irving had Minnesota on his shortlist. He very well could have ended up with Irving/Butler/Towns.
Glen Taylor is the real enemy of that franchise but from what I've observed, Minnesota fans, frankly, just don't care about winning all that much. They are maybe the least winning-concerned fanbase in the league, which I guess is a decent way of coping with the awfulness of their franchise.
TheStig wrote:The Evidence wrote:TheStig wrote:That's funny people say that. The Nets couldn't tank and aimed for the 8th seed and then got two superstars.
NY, like LA, are the places that guys really want to come if you're respectable. NY has been tanking for a star for a decade.
Have the Knicks been tanking all-decade tho?
They tried going half-in with those Melo and Amar'e teams in the early teens.
They got unlucky with the start of their Post-Melo rebuild with the Porzingis injuries and then with 17 and 18 being weak drafts.
They have a terrible reputation as an organization and the Thibodeau style is outdated now. Not to mention the pressure of saving a starved franchise.
I just don't see the recruiting angle or FAs running to join the Knicks if they're the 6-8 seed (like the Brooklyn scenario which materialized for several reasons unrelated to their record).
I'm sorry, they made the playoffs a couple of times in the last decade. It's been 7 years of sucking.
Their reputation can be erased easily. The Clippers had Donald Sterling as owner and got CP3 to agree to come there. The Knicks got Melo to come there despite their terrible rep.
If they get into the playoffs the reputation will change on them quick and people will want to come like they did to the Nets.
