Washington/New York/Philly/Phoenix

Bentley1225 · Post #1 » by **Bentley1225** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:50 pm

Ill offer this 4 way deal (un-realistic but trying to simplify it) for:
-Washington to create more cap space/add youth as they look to re-sign Bertrans while managing cap
-New York adds a big name as they look to get a veteran PG still in his prime, injuries aside
-Philly looks to trim luxury tax bill and get out of the Horford contract
-Suns clear up glut of swingmen and get a starting 4 on a short term deal to maintain 2021 flexibility

To Washington (Trade Wall)
-Al Horford (3 years, $69 million guaranteed)
-Dennis Smith Jr. (1 year, $5.7 million plus QO)
-Kevin Knox (1 year, $4.5 million plus TO)
-2021 New York 2nd round pick via Philly
-2022 New York 2nd round pick
-2023 Atlanta, Charlotte or Brooklyn 2nd round pick (most favorable) via Philly

To New York (Trade Randle, Knox, Smith, 2022 2nd)
-John Wall (3 years, $133 million) - waive 15% trade kicker
-2022 Philly 1st round pick

To Philly (Trade Horford, 2022 1st, 2 2nds)
-Kelly Oubre (1 year, $14.4 million)

To Phoenix (Trade Oubre Jr.)
-Julius Randle (1 year, $18.9 million + $4 million guaranteed)

Why?
-The Wizards create more space while getting Horford whom can split time at the 5 with Bryant, Smith and Knox get a change of scenery with limited risk associated with them while Wizards get back 2nd round picks they dont own in 2021 and 2023

Smith/1st?/Smith Jr.
Beal/Robinson/Bonga?
Brown/Knox/Schofield
Hachimura/Bertrans?/Wagner
Horford/Bryant/2nd

-The Knicks buy low on Wall to look to enhance starting 5 around him/Barrett/2020 1st/Robinson

Wall/Ntilikina/FA?
1st/Dotson/Pinson
Barrett/Bullock/Brazdeikis
Portis?/Gibson?/2nd
Robinson/FA?/1st

-The Sixers create greater flexibility surrounding luxury tax while they can start Oubre at the 3.

Simmons/Milton/2nd
Richardson/Smith/Korkmaz
Oubre/Thybulle/2nd
Harris/Scott/2nd
Embiid/1st/FA?

-The Suns clear up glut of swingmen by add a starting 4 in Randle

Rubio/Jerome/Lecque
Booker/1st/Okobo
Bridges/Johnson/FA?
Randle/Kaminsky?/2nd
Ayton/Baynes?/Diallo

Ghost of Kleine · Post #2 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:57 pm

No thank you from Phoenix.

Resistance · Post #3 » by **Resistance** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:58 pm

-The Suns clear up glut of swingmen by add a starting 4 in Randle

Rubio/Jerome/Lecque
Booker/1st/Okobo
Bridges/Johnson/FA?
Randle/Kaminsky?/2nd
Ayton/Baynes?/Diallo

The spacing might be suspect with Randle, Ayton and Rubio on the court together.

Godaddycurse · Post #4 » by **Godaddycurse** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:58 pm

Why not just give randle to philly/leave phoenix out if this altogether

Resistance · Post #5 » by **Resistance** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:06 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Why not just give randle to philly/leave phoenix out if this altogether

I don't see a role for Randle with Simmons being a poor outside shooter.

If NYK can't move Randle, then it jams up the entire deal.

Maybe drop Phoenix and bring in Detroit.

Snell to Philly with Randle + compensation to Detroit.

youngcrev · Post #6 » by **youngcrev** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:34 pm

If New York is willing to take on Wall, I imagine there's a much simpler deal to be had between those 2 teams.

giberish · Post #7 » by **giberish** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:40 pm

Oubre for Randle seems like a hard no from Phoenix. I expect getting anywhere near that value for Randle anywhere is an issue.

I'd also say that any Wall deal is unrealistic. I can't see an outside team team taking him on at anything less than a major premium (more premium then just a future late 1st). Meanwhile I expect Washington is still hoping he can come back as a useful player (if overpaid on his contract). At that point he could be tradeable for a reasonable deal.

Rockazoids · Post #8 » by **Rockazoids** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:44 pm

It's going to take more than 2022 Plilly 1st to move John Wall contract. And you want a young player and picks too. Wow
This deal is dead on arrival.

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VDT · Post #9 » by **VDT** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:14 pm

Yes its laughable for the Knicks.

Rockazoids · Post #10 » by **Rockazoids** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:05 pm

VDT wrote:Yes its laughable for the Knicks.

Hear is something else that's laughable bad for Phoenix
Phoenix Trade Oubre Jr. (1 year, $14.4 million)
New York Trade Randle,Julius Randle (1 year, $18.9 million + $4 million guaranteed)
So why would NY let Philly walk in on this deal?

Knickfan1982 · Post #11 » by **Knickfan1982** » Sun Aug 2, 2020 2:18 am

Bentley1225 wrote:Ill offer this 4 way deal (un-realistic but trying to simplify it) for:
-Washington to create more cap space/add youth as they look to re-sign Bertrans while managing cap
-New York adds a big name as they look to get a veteran PG still in his prime, injuries aside
-Philly looks to trim luxury tax bill and get out of the Horford contract
-Suns clear up glut of swingmen and get a starting 4 on a short term deal to maintain 2021 flexibility

To Washington (Trade Wall)
-Al Horford (3 years, $69 million guaranteed)
-Dennis Smith Jr. (1 year, $5.7 million plus QO)
-Kevin Knox (1 year, $4.5 million plus TO)
-2021 New York 2nd round pick via Philly
-2022 New York 2nd round pick
-2023 Atlanta, Charlotte or Brooklyn 2nd round pick (most favorable) via Philly

To New York (Trade Randle, Knox, Smith, 2022 2nd)
-John Wall (3 years, $133 million) - waive 15% trade kicker
-2022 Philly 1st round pick

To Philly (Trade Horford, 2022 1st, 2 2nds)
-Kelly Oubre (1 year, $14.4 million)

To Phoenix (Trade Oubre Jr.)
-Julius Randle (1 year, $18.9 million + $4 million guaranteed)

Why?
-The Wizards create more space while getting Horford whom can split time at the 5 with Bryant, Smith and Knox get a change of scenery with limited risk associated with them while Wizards get back 2nd round picks they dont own in 2021 and 2023

Smith/1st?/Smith Jr.
Beal/Robinson/Bonga?
Brown/Knox/Schofield
Hachimura/Bertrans?/Wagner
Horford/Bryant/2nd

-The Knicks buy low on Wall to look to enhance starting 5 around him/Barrett/2020 1st/Robinson

Wall/Ntilikina/FA?
1st/Dotson/Pinson
Barrett/Bullock/Brazdeikis
Portis?/Gibson?/2nd
Robinson/FA?/1st

-The Sixers create greater flexibility surrounding luxury tax while they can start Oubre at the 3.

Simmons/Milton/2nd
Richardson/Smith/Korkmaz
Oubre/Thybulle/2nd
Harris/Scott/2nd
Embiid/1st/FA?

-The Suns clear up glut of swingmen by add a starting 4 in Randle

Rubio/Jerome/Lecque
Booker/1st/Okobo
Bridges/Johnson/FA?
Randle/Kaminsky?/2nd
Ayton/Baynes?/Diallo

Yikes. We take on John Wall and have to wait 2 years for compensation for taking on all that money.

Post #12 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Aug 2, 2020 3:09 am

It seems Wall and Horford are viewed as positive value, Wall quite a bit positive, despite the contracts. That certainly hasn't been this board's take on either. As a Wizards fan who generally hates Wall deals (gee, let's have Washington trade Wall, a young player, and a first for your shorter bad contracts . . . no), this seems like a steal for us.

Post #13 » by **moocow007** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:56 am

If all the Suns want for Oubre is Randle, why wouldn't the Knicks just swap Randle with Oubre instead of taking Walls crazy assed contract?

To get rid of DSJr and Knox? Folks are getting carried away with both these guys. They aren't the only former 1st round picks that have struggled last season. Not liking them doesn't mean that you must dump their rookie contracts and especially if you're adding Walls 40+ million per over the next 3 years beyond this.

And swapping a NY 2nd rounder for a Sixers 1st (both 2 years from now) has very little value.

No reason to have Philly or Washington involved IF Phoenix for some odd reason wants to do this swap. Oubre would be a much better fit than Randle for the Knicks. Honestly the Knicks should have signed Oubre instead of Randle.

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Fo-Real · Post #14 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:15 am

phoenix....... I don't have to say it.