Woody back baby!!

RHODEY · Post #21 » by **RHODEY** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:19 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Hated the way he coached in 13-14 campaign and think a lot of losses could be left at his feet.

Fresh start & looking fwd to him working with the kids.

Agreed not much creativity.... thank god we had Kidd as d thiose vets for ion court coaching and enough talent and shooting to win anyway,

Post #22 » by **KnicksGod** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:24 pm

... I get a feeling Melo is coming back.

Post #23 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:38 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:

Fixed

Strick · Post #24 » by **Strick** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:17 pm

The amount of laughs and GIFs these two will generate will be staggering. Hopefully some actual development and progress as well, but we are guaranteed this at the very least :lol:

BallSacBounce · Post #25 » by **BallSacBounce** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:34 pm

Obligatory. Mandatory watch for noobs to understand the Woodson philosophy and inner psyche. There is great power in simplicity.

Watch on YouTube

Likeable guy, wish him well.

Nazrmohamed · Post #26 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:43 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
F N 11 wrote:Hopefully this means stretch 4 is back.

why do people tout “melo at the 4” as some brilliant innovation in coaching from woodson?

he fell into playing melo there by accident after amare went down and went right back to traditional big lineups when amare was healthy. part of the reason we lost the pacer series is because he didn’t have the stones to commit to what worked.

I still love him as a coach but you said exactly what was on my mind during that series. Hardest part of being a coach is telling a former star player that the team has moved on without them. Fans base loved Amare even though he was always hurt and Woody probably held that old belief that you don't lose your job because of injury and to some extent I agree but not in the midst of a playoff run. You tell Amare to be the backup PF/C sixth man type and work yourself back next yr. Im sure Woody himself would now agree in hindsight.

But also I hate when people say by accident. I think it was more the idea that nobody was gonna cut the knicks any slack cuz Amare was hurt, in fact most of the team was old and hurt at one point or another and Woody just built a culture that yr of no excuses. Next man up and overall it was a great job. I didn't even think the Pacers were better, I think he made that critical mistake and probably regrets it for the rest of his life

Post #27 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:49 pm

Read on Twitter

thebuzzardman · Post #28 » by **thebuzzardman** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:44 pm

I would've hated this hire as head coach, but like it as assistant coach/member of coaching staff

Clyde_Style · Post #29 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:47 pm

KnicksGod wrote:... I get a feeling Melo is coming back.

Shut the Front Door FU!

robillionaire · Post #30 » by **robillionaire** » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:17 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:So now the Knicks have two guys that players have completely tuned out. Thibs who had a successful track record was kicked to the curbs by young guys. Woodson who was coming off the best Knick season in about 200 years was kicked to the curbs by the veterans who were still left after Kidd/Sheed/Thomas left. You just have to hope that we're all on the same page going forward.

interesting. you know jack sprat could eat no fat, and his wife could eat no lean. and so between them both, they licked the platter clean. I'm not sure if that means everybody will be completely tuned out or nobody.

KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127 · Post #31 » by **KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:25 am

Manhattan Project wrote:So now the Knicks have two guys that players have completely tuned out. Thibs who had a successful track record was kicked to the curbs by young guys. Woodson who was coming off the best Knick season in about 200 years was kicked to the curbs by the veterans who were still left after Kidd/Sheed/Thomas left. You just have to hope that we're all on the same page going forward.

Kidd was the best PG we’ve had in a long time. He made the team flow and Prigs was a perfect compliment to him off the bench. Although I see your point I think the loss of skilled players also hurt Woodson.

aq_ua · Post #32 » by **aq_ua** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:23 am

Can we bring back Chris Copeland too? He was pretty awesome.

Post #33 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:49 am

aq_ua wrote:Can we bring back Chris Copeland too? He was pretty awesome.

Wasn't he like 37 nine years ago?

Clyde_Style · Post #34 » by **Clyde_Style** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:54 am

Capn'O wrote:
aq_ua wrote:Can we bring back Chris Copeland too? He was pretty awesome.

Wasn't he like 37 nine years ago?

No, he was nine 37 years ago

aq_ua · Post #35 » by **aq_ua** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:09 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
aq_ua wrote:Can we bring back Chris Copeland too? He was pretty awesome.

Wasn't he like 37 nine years ago?

No, he was nine 37 years ago

You of all people should know awesomeness ages gracefully.

Clyde_Style · Post #36 » by **Clyde_Style** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:13 am

aq_ua wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Wasn't he like 37 nine years ago?

No, he was nine 37 years ago

You of all people should know awesomeness ages gracefully.

MaseInYourFace · Post #37 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:18 am

I think we would have lost to Pacers regardless. They had the best player in George and Knicks didn’t really have an answer for Hibbert. They overreacted to Hibbert situation and went and got Bargnani the following season.

thebuzzardman · Post #38 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:47 pm

Felt like the players enjoyed Woody's rah rah enthusiasm until they tuned him out.

The 'took over for Pringles' to finish out the year they played hard for him and the team seemed happy etc
2nd season that enthusiasm and buy in remained. Obviously vets like Kidd etc helped, but again, his motivational techniques still worked

3rd season, it was obvious that in spite of his rah rah motivational style, the players were tuning him out.
My opinion, which could be wrong, is that as pros they realized he was somewhat lacking and the motivational stuff didn't play anymore.

But, as an assistant coach, I think that kind of attitude will help working with players, communicating to them, motivating them.

I wouldn't have liked him back as a head coach with better options available, but as an assistant, I think it's a good, solid hire.

KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127 · Post #39 » by **KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:49 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Felt like the players enjoyed Woody's rah rah enthusiasm until they tuned him out.

The 'took over for Pringles' to finish out the year they played hard for him and the team seemed happy etc
2nd season that enthusiasm and buy in remained. Obviously vets like Kidd etc helped, but again, his motivational techniques still worked

3rd season, it was obvious that in spite of his rah rah motivational style, the players were tuning him out.
My opinion, which could be wrong, is that as pros they realized he was somewhat lacking and the motivational stuff didn't play anymore.

But, as an assistant coach, I think that kind of attitude will help working with players, communicating to them, motivating them.

I wouldn't have liked him back as a head coach with better options available, but as an assistant, I think it's a good, solid hire.

I think losing all those vets and the bitterness that Melo and JR felt towards Linsanity all led to the regression in 2012-2013.

Gravy · Post #40 » by **Gravy** » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:07 pm

KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Felt like the players enjoyed Woody's rah rah enthusiasm until they tuned him out.

The 'took over for Pringles' to finish out the year they played hard for him and the team seemed happy etc
2nd season that enthusiasm and buy in remained. Obviously vets like Kidd etc helped, but again, his motivational techniques still worked

3rd season, it was obvious that in spite of his rah rah motivational style, the players were tuning him out.
My opinion, which could be wrong, is that as pros they realized he was somewhat lacking and the motivational stuff didn't play anymore.

But, as an assistant coach, I think that kind of attitude will help working with players, communicating to them, motivating them.

I wouldn't have liked him back as a head coach with better options available, but as an assistant, I think it's a good, solid hire.

I think losing all those vets and the bitterness that Melo and JR felt towards Linsanity all led to the regression in 2012-2013.

2012-13 they were good and went to the 2nd round, it was 2014 when it all fell apart. I think it was 90 percent because of the loss of Jason Kidd. It started during the Pacers series when he couldn't hit a shot anymore. Having a good pg changes so much for us its a shame we haven't had one in so long.