2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Saric is happy with a bench role I'd be happy to bring him back.

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[suns12345]

If Saric is happy with a bench role I'd be happy to bring him back.

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I agree, sometimes he is frustrating but we need a bit of his playmaking, scoring and (sometimes) good shooting off the bench.

[Ghost of Kleine]

If Saric is happy with a bench role I'd be happy to bring him back.

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A bench role is something I would be amenable to. But nothing more than 5-6 million tops, And a 1 yr deal.

[jredsaz]

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Surprised to see Javon Carter up there.

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[Fo-Real]

SO NO WORD ON KERRSED!!!!

[AtheJ415]

We need a real NBA bench. Kaminsky is just god awful. He's only valuable if he's shooting and its just way too inconsistent from him.
We have a litany of PGs who are less than ideal backups and can't play multiple positions.

Saric, if he wants to stay, is fine. He's a clear NBA caliber player. He'd be one of the best backup 4s in the league. Baynes I think is less than ideal because he backs up only Ayton (I think he's just clearly a 5 and the combo sets with him and Ayton are not working), but for the right price sure. He's obviously one of the best bench guys in the league, but it's just unfortunate he plays the same position as Ayton. We need a 3rd big who can play the 4 and some spot minutes at the 5, and are set at wing since the ones we have are good (Mikal, Oubre, Cam), but we need a huge amount of guards. We need a primary backup for Booker who can be a more traditional 2 or a combo guard at least, a primary backup 1, and another combo guard or 2.

Payne has looked good on offense so far, but I don't think we can have 2 roster spots for him and Carter unless Payne becomes a viable long-term answer at backup PG. I'd like to keep Carter as an end of bench guy. He has a legendary work ethic so I think he improves even without much PT, but he may already be near his ceiling and we can't have a ton of misfit guards who aren't super versatile. Carter can't create, as productive as he's been. Payne, if his shooting improvement is legit, could be a long-term fit. He's still only 25, but he can play a lot better off the ball than he did his first go around if his shooting is legit.

Ability to play off the ball is part of why I like Vassell, Hayes, and Haliburton for us. If we draft a PF we probably need Van Vleet in the worst way in FA since he can play both and defends much better than his size would suggest.

Even on the vet minimum we need our bench to be NBA rotation guys. That's where our leads disappear. I struggle to see how many teams would have Okobo on a roster at this point, have Kaminsky in the rotation at all let alone on a roster (I think he is out of the league after this year), and have 2 misfit PGs as their primary bench guards in Carter and Payne. That's basically 2 empty spots and 2 limited positional players (meaning mismatches can be created against them). I don't think we can keep both Carter and Payne. Probably have to pick one of them. Even guys like Trier honestly could probably help us out even if they are barely playing, but he's no combo guard -- he's a 1 position 2 guard.

With the small ball lineup doing so well due to the defensive versatility of Mikal allowing us to use the quickness advantage on offense of having him and Oubre out there, we should double down on versatile guys in the draft and FA.

[RedIndian]

I think Saric and Carter are the ones to bring back. Saric hopefully on the QO, and Carter on a 1+1 minimum type deal.

Baynes will likely be too expensive, and the concern with him is that he struggles staying healthy and plays better as a starter. Probably better looking at a long athletic 4/5 who plays well as a bench hustle guy.

I have little hope with Cam Payne. He might have a decent game or two, but he's been an awful NBA player so far in his career. I don't see that changing significantly. Our main backup guard needs to be seriously good. Not least because Booker needs a long term partner who can be a scoring threat. I'm concerned especially about how Booker's 3 point shooting is continually declining. A significant part of it is that he continually sees double teams, traps and the best defender from the opponent. Need desperately someone who can share the load with him.

[thamadkant]

Javon Carter is frustrating because he passes up open looks... Seems to me he just wants enough games under his name so he can retire as a player and move into the coaching staff.

When he tries and is not passing up shots he is a bulldog and a good role player. I'm happy with him just that he needs to shoot more open looks.

[bwgood77]

With Saric I want to see how he plays the 8 games. Based on 1 game yesterday, yes. Based on the season, I don't care. Also depends on cost. If it was like 4/40, while that may be a fair contract for him, I'm not sure I'd want our team to commit to that.

Baynes I definitely try to bring back for his vet presence, impact on Ayton and just basically to ensure if Ayton goes down we have a very solid backup to help with that huge loss...Ayton will miss some games, but just having someone who is tough and can REALLY help that crap bench unit is key.

Payne, again, kind of like Saric, based on this 1 game yesterday, yes...he's very cheap..but will have to see the 8 games.

Much will depend on trades. I like Bridges and Cam getting minutes more than Oubre...both far more efficient and with Oubre he puts up like 15 shots a game on avg efficiency, and Bridges is our most efficient player (over 500 minutes..basically other than Diallo)...Oubre is 7th or 8th...right around Kaminsky. Cam is 2nd (eFG) or tied for 3rd (TS%)....it's better for them to get shots..plus they move the ball.

I probably wouldn't deal Oubre unless there is a good deal, but I think our team will probably be better this coming season with Bridges and Cam getting minutes/shots over Oubre. Oubre could be good for depth, but if he is starting and taking more shots than those guys, particularly a lot more shots, while also not looking for Ayton/Booker as much, moving the ball, it simply makes us worse. If he was up for a bench role, that would be good.

BUT, trading him for someone not as good, unless it was either good role players giving us depth, wouldn't really make sense either.

It will be interesting who we draft too...if it is someone like Toppin who is more ready and is really effiicent finishing and a good 3 pt shooter, that would help too. If it's a raw player, not so much.

Carter can go. if he would stay for the minimum I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want him to be an end of the bench guy. Would definitely prefer upgrades there though.

If we keep Saric and are an over the cap team, I don't mind keeping Frank too...though I imagine with Sarver in money saving mode, if we are working over the cap, he may want to minimize how much we are over...and if we hope for him to use the MLE, then we should go just barely over the cap before hoping he uses it. There might be a better chance he stays under the cap and signs free agents to get just to the cap.

Ultimately I think keeping Dario might come down to what happens with Oubre...and of course Baynes.

[Frank Lee]

I’m no Sarver Saver, but the cheapskate undertones from dumping the G Team are low hanging fruit. I doubt there is a G League affiliate that is profitable, and I question the efficiency of cultivating actual NBA-ers. 15 man rosters are deep enough, heck, it’s difficult to fill those with enough qualified players league wide. G league as is, seems to be more of a rehab spot and a place to stash sub par unready draft picks. I’ll look at this move as a cost effective one, prioritizing cash flow during these uncertain times... as well as a strategic one, implying it is better for a player like LeQ to practice and be with the team And coaches, rather than running with a 90% never will play in the nba squad.

Now if the Bobber short sales this off season, I reserve the right to retract my theory

[WeekapaugGroove]

With Saric I want to see how he plays the 8 games. Based on 1 game yesterday, yes. Based on the season, I don't care. Also depends on cost. If it was like 4/40, while that may be a fair contract for him, I'm not sure I'd want our team to commit to that.

Baynes I definitely try to bring back for his vet presence, impact on Ayton and just basically to ensure if Ayton goes down we have a very solid backup to help with that huge loss...Ayton will miss some games, but just having someone who is tough and can REALLY help that crap bench unit is key.

Payne, again, kind of like Saric, based on this 1 game yesterday, yes...he's very cheap..but will have to see the 8 games.

Much will depend on trades. I like Bridges and Cam getting minutes more than Oubre...both far more efficient and with Oubre he puts up like 15 shots a game on avg efficiency, and Bridges is our most efficient player (over 500 minutes..basically other than Diallo)...Oubre is 7th or 8th...right around Kaminsky. Cam is 2nd (eFG) or tied for 3rd (TS%)....it's better for them to get shots..plus they move the ball.

I probably wouldn't deal Oubre unless there is a good deal, but I think our team will probably be better this coming season with Bridges and Cam getting minutes/shots over Oubre. Oubre could be good for depth, but if he is starting and taking more shots than those guys, particularly a lot more shots, while also not looking for Ayton/Booker as much, moving the ball, it simply makes us worse. If he was up for a bench role, that would be good.

BUT, trading him for someone not as good, unless it was either good role players giving us depth, wouldn't really make sense either.

It will be interesting who we draft too...if it is someone like Toppin who is more ready and is really effiicent finishing and a good 3 pt shooter, that would help too. If it's a raw player, not so much.

Carter can go. if he would stay for the minimum I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want him to be an end of the bench guy. Would definitely prefer upgrades there though.

If we keep Saric and are an over the cap team, I don't mind keeping Frank too...though I imagine with Sarver in money saving mode, if we are working over the cap, he may want to minimize how much we are over...and if we hope for him to use the MLE, then we should go just barely over the cap before hoping he uses it. There might be a better chance he stays under the cap and signs free agents to get just to the cap.

Ultimately I think keeping Dario might come down to what happens with Oubre...and of course Baynes.

Yeah I had mentioned keeping Saric in a bench role but no way in hell I'd pay him anywhere close to 10mil per. I also doubt he'll have a hot market for his services. Something like 2yrs 12 mil or even just on the QO is what I had in mind.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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This stat will probably surprise some people.

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[bwgood77]

With Saric I want to see how he plays the 8 games. Based on 1 game yesterday, yes. Based on the season, I don't care. Also depends on cost. If it was like 4/40, while that may be a fair contract for him, I'm not sure I'd want our team to commit to that.

Baynes I definitely try to bring back for his vet presence, impact on Ayton and just basically to ensure if Ayton goes down we have a very solid backup to help with that huge loss...Ayton will miss some games, but just having someone who is tough and can REALLY help that crap bench unit is key.

Payne, again, kind of like Saric, based on this 1 game yesterday, yes...he's very cheap..but will have to see the 8 games.

Much will depend on trades. I like Bridges and Cam getting minutes more than Oubre...both far more efficient and with Oubre he puts up like 15 shots a game on avg efficiency, and Bridges is our most efficient player (over 500 minutes..basically other than Diallo)...Oubre is 7th or 8th...right around Kaminsky. Cam is 2nd (eFG) or tied for 3rd (TS%)....it's better for them to get shots..plus they move the ball.

I probably wouldn't deal Oubre unless there is a good deal, but I think our team will probably be better this coming season with Bridges and Cam getting minutes/shots over Oubre. Oubre could be good for depth, but if he is starting and taking more shots than those guys, particularly a lot more shots, while also not looking for Ayton/Booker as much, moving the ball, it simply makes us worse. If he was up for a bench role, that would be good.

BUT, trading him for someone not as good, unless it was either good role players giving us depth, wouldn't really make sense either.

It will be interesting who we draft too...if it is someone like Toppin who is more ready and is really effiicent finishing and a good 3 pt shooter, that would help too. If it's a raw player, not so much.

Carter can go. if he would stay for the minimum I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want him to be an end of the bench guy. Would definitely prefer upgrades there though.

If we keep Saric and are an over the cap team, I don't mind keeping Frank too...though I imagine with Sarver in money saving mode, if we are working over the cap, he may want to minimize how much we are over...and if we hope for him to use the MLE, then we should go just barely over the cap before hoping he uses it. There might be a better chance he stays under the cap and signs free agents to get just to the cap.

Ultimately I think keeping Dario might come down to what happens with Oubre...and of course Baynes.

Yeah I had mentioned keeping Saric in a bench role but no way in hell I'd pay him anywhere close to 10mil per. I also doubt he'll have a hot market for his services. Something like 2yrs 12 mil or even just on the QO is what I had in mind.

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You don't think his market would be close to $10 million a year? RAPTOR has his market value for 5 years at $47.5. It has Oubre at $56.5. Booker at $90 and Ayton at $104. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-projections/dario-saric/

[WeekapaugGroove]

With Saric I want to see how he plays the 8 games. Based on 1 game yesterday, yes. Based on the season, I don't care. Also depends on cost. If it was like 4/40, while that may be a fair contract for him, I'm not sure I'd want our team to commit to that.

Baynes I definitely try to bring back for his vet presence, impact on Ayton and just basically to ensure if Ayton goes down we have a very solid backup to help with that huge loss...Ayton will miss some games, but just having someone who is tough and can REALLY help that crap bench unit is key.

Payne, again, kind of like Saric, based on this 1 game yesterday, yes...he's very cheap..but will have to see the 8 games.

Much will depend on trades. I like Bridges and Cam getting minutes more than Oubre...both far more efficient and with Oubre he puts up like 15 shots a game on avg efficiency, and Bridges is our most efficient player (over 500 minutes..basically other than Diallo)...Oubre is 7th or 8th...right around Kaminsky. Cam is 2nd (eFG) or tied for 3rd (TS%)....it's better for them to get shots..plus they move the ball.

I probably wouldn't deal Oubre unless there is a good deal, but I think our team will probably be better this coming season with Bridges and Cam getting minutes/shots over Oubre. Oubre could be good for depth, but if he is starting and taking more shots than those guys, particularly a lot more shots, while also not looking for Ayton/Booker as much, moving the ball, it simply makes us worse. If he was up for a bench role, that would be good.

BUT, trading him for someone not as good, unless it was either good role players giving us depth, wouldn't really make sense either.

It will be interesting who we draft too...if it is someone like Toppin who is more ready and is really effiicent finishing and a good 3 pt shooter, that would help too. If it's a raw player, not so much.

Carter can go. if he would stay for the minimum I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want him to be an end of the bench guy. Would definitely prefer upgrades there though.

If we keep Saric and are an over the cap team, I don't mind keeping Frank too...though I imagine with Sarver in money saving mode, if we are working over the cap, he may want to minimize how much we are over...and if we hope for him to use the MLE, then we should go just barely over the cap before hoping he uses it. There might be a better chance he stays under the cap and signs free agents to get just to the cap.

Ultimately I think keeping Dario might come down to what happens with Oubre...and of course Baynes.

Yeah I had mentioned keeping Saric in a bench role but no way in hell I'd pay him anywhere close to 10mil per. I also doubt he'll have a hot market for his services. Something like 2yrs 12 mil or even just on the QO is what I had in mind.

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You don't think his market would be close to $10 million a year? RAPTOR has his market value for 5 years at $47.5. It has Oubre at $56.5. Booker at $90 and Ayton at $104. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-projections/dario-saric/

As they say 'it only takes one team' but I just don't think there will be a strong market for him. I think it's going to be a brutal market in general for FAs especially for role players. I'd say the MLE is his absolute best case scenario.

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[bwgood77]

As they say 'it only takes one team' but I just don't think there will be a strong market for him. I think it's going to be a brutal market in general for FAs especially for role players. I'd say the MLE is his absolute best case scenario.

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The MLE was estimated at like $9.75 million a year before the pandemic. I don't know what it will be, aybe like $8 million a year, but with most every team having that, it would seem there is a pretty good chance someone would offer a 26 year old PF who can hit the 3, rebound and be a bit of a playmaking PF.

What do you view Oubre's value at if you see Saric at $6 million? Do you think he's worth twice as much as Saric? 3x?

[AtheJ415]

With Saric I want to see how he plays the 8 games. Based on 1 game yesterday, yes. Based on the season, I don't care. Also depends on cost. If it was like 4/40, while that may be a fair contract for him, I'm not sure I'd want our team to commit to that.

Baynes I definitely try to bring back for his vet presence, impact on Ayton and just basically to ensure if Ayton goes down we have a very solid backup to help with that huge loss...Ayton will miss some games, but just having someone who is tough and can REALLY help that crap bench unit is key.

Payne, again, kind of like Saric, based on this 1 game yesterday, yes...he's very cheap..but will have to see the 8 games.

Much will depend on trades. I like Bridges and Cam getting minutes more than Oubre...both far more efficient and with Oubre he puts up like 15 shots a game on avg efficiency, and Bridges is our most efficient player (over 500 minutes..basically other than Diallo)...Oubre is 7th or 8th...right around Kaminsky. Cam is 2nd (eFG) or tied for 3rd (TS%)....it's better for them to get shots..plus they move the ball.

I probably wouldn't deal Oubre unless there is a good deal, but I think our team will probably be better this coming season with Bridges and Cam getting minutes/shots over Oubre. Oubre could be good for depth, but if he is starting and taking more shots than those guys, particularly a lot more shots, while also not looking for Ayton/Booker as much, moving the ball, it simply makes us worse. If he was up for a bench role, that would be good.

BUT, trading him for someone not as good, unless it was either good role players giving us depth, wouldn't really make sense either.

It will be interesting who we draft too...if it is someone like Toppin who is more ready and is really effiicent finishing and a good 3 pt shooter, that would help too. If it's a raw player, not so much.

Carter can go. if he would stay for the minimum I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want him to be an end of the bench guy. Would definitely prefer upgrades there though.

If we keep Saric and are an over the cap team, I don't mind keeping Frank too...though I imagine with Sarver in money saving mode, if we are working over the cap, he may want to minimize how much we are over...and if we hope for him to use the MLE, then we should go just barely over the cap before hoping he uses it. There might be a better chance he stays under the cap and signs free agents to get just to the cap.

Ultimately I think keeping Dario might come down to what happens with Oubre...and of course Baynes.

If we can trade Oubre for Gordon I would do it. Ball movement would improve, and we'd be playing a bigger lineup without losing the versatility or quickness we have because of Gordon's athleticism. We'd just need Gordon to up his shooting % to 34-35% from 3. His FT% ot improving is kind of concerning as far as him ever being able to do that though.

Only downside is it kind of closes the draft in the sense of we'd have to get a guard. Me personally, I would draft Avdija if he was the best on my big board and use him as a 30 minute guy to prevent wear on Ayton and Gordon, but I don't think our FO would look at it that way. I don't trust Jones much so I could see him reaching for a Cole Anthony (non-versatile 1 skill guy (scorer)) or another Jerome or Kaminsky type (1 position shooters who don't shoot well enough to offset other weaknesses). I'd just have to hope one of the guards I like (Vassell, Haliburton, Hayes) was there o they don't reach for Anthony.

[AtheJ415]

Yeah I had mentioned keeping Saric in a bench role but no way in hell I'd pay him anywhere close to 10mil per. I also doubt he'll have a hot market for his services. Something like 2yrs 12 mil or even just on the QO is what I had in mind.

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You don't think his market would be close to $10 million a year? RAPTOR has his market value for 5 years at $47.5. It has Oubre at $56.5. Booker at $90 and Ayton at $104. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-projections/dario-saric/

As they say 'it only takes one team' but I just don't think there will be a strong market for him. I think it's going to be a brutal market in general for FAs especially for role players. I'd say the MLE is his absolute best case scenario.

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The highest value guys are still max players, rookie scale guys, and vet minimum guys. Anybody who falls outside of those I think will see a shrunk market. I think Oubre is going to be frustrated with us again when hi deal comes up , for instance, because it will be similar to Bledsoe's deal where we give him a good offer and ask him to get a better one in the market ad we'll match or beat it, and he won't be able to do it and will blame us for that.

[AtheJ415]

As for our bench though, we just have way too many "empty" dudes. Like completely unplayable. We've got Lecque who I understand because he's a project player, but to add Kaminsky, Carter, Jerome, and Payne to that is just way too many empty guys. Even Diallo I would lump in there but he at least can play 2 positions and is active so I'll consider him moderately useful. Most teams only have 1-2 of those guys, and I feel like we have 3-5 at a given time. Mostly the guards, which is why the offense implodes. Also, it's because they run the bench offense through Kaminsky who is just way too inefficient on that end to also suffer his defensive malfunctions.

[WeekapaugGroove]

You don't think his market would be close to $10 million a year? RAPTOR has his market value for 5 years at $47.5. It has Oubre at $56.5. Booker at $90 and Ayton at $104. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-projections/dario-saric/

As they say 'it only takes one team' but I just don't think there will be a strong market for him. I think it's going to be a brutal market in general for FAs especially for role players. I'd say the MLE is his absolute best case scenario.

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The highest value guys are still max players, rookie scale guys, and vet minimum guys. Anybody who falls outside of those I think will see a shrunk market. I think Oubre is going to be frustrated with us again when hi deal comes up , for instance, because it will be similar to Bledsoe's deal where we give him a good offer and ask him to get a better one in the market ad we'll match or beat it, and he won't be able to do it and will blame us for that.

Yup. Specifically this coming off-season the middle class is going to be completely **** in FA. With a good chance we won't have full arenas owners will be super cost conscious and id bet a bunch of over the cap teams won't use the MLE.

Now if things are normal in the summer of 21 a guy like Dario could get the MLE.

I don't know what oubre would get in a market like this winter, haven't thought about it since he's under contract. What he gets in 21 will depend how he plays next year. He would get more than dairo though since long wings are much more valued than non athletic PFs, that and he's just a better player.

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[bwgood77]

If we can trade Oubre for Gordon I would do it. Ball movement would improve, and we'd be playing a bigger lineup without losing the versatility or quickness we have because of Gordon's athleticism. We'd just need Gordon to up his shooting % to 34-35% from 3. His FT% ot improving is kind of concerning as far as him ever being able to do that though.

Only downside is it kind of closes the draft in the sense of we'd have to get a guard. Me personally, I would draft Avdija if he was the best on my big board and use him as a 30 minute guy to prevent wear on Ayton and Gordon, but I don't think our FO would look at it that way. I don't trust Jones much so I could see him reaching for a Cole Anthony (non-versatile 1 skill guy (scorer)) or another Jerome or Kaminsky type (1 position shooters who don't shoot well enough to offset other weaknesses). I'd just have to hope one of the guards I like (Vassell, Haliburton, Hayes) was there o they don't reach for Anthony.

I'd be fine with a Gordon trade. I think he's had a down year and would bounce back, but he also only has a couple years left. Bridges and Ayton will be up for extension and RAPTOR ranks their 5 year values the highest. I don't want to give Oubre a lot of money next summer and then have Ayton and Bridges both up for big paydays. I don't know that you can pay both Oubre and Bridges a lot and Bridges will be in much higher demand and worth more. So if we can't trade him now you may have to trade him by the deadline or just let him walk, or risk having to give up assets to dump him later if you overpay him...give him more than like $15, which is probably an overpay anyway.

I really don't see Jones going for Cole Anthony AT ALL. He was extremely inefficient. He seems to want efficient college guys, and doesn't want raw guys. He drafted two upper classmen and was involved in the Bridges pick too...those are 3 guys who had long college careers.

I'd be good with Avdija...I really like his playmaking and he can shoot. I'd be real happy with Toppin. I think he is overanalyzed and people are picking him apart a bit too much. The guy was the best player in college this year winning the AP Player of the year, Naismith Player of the year, the Wooden Award, the Oscar Robertson trophy....

He had a smaller school, Dayton, going from unranked to like #5 in the country....this was unprecedented...Ja elevated his team the year before but not like this.

He reminds me of Amare with a 3 and better passing....of course the subpar D too. But it's weird...there are people low on him that were high on Bagley for example who had a far less dynamic offensive game (array of skills) and Bagley was lost on defense...didn't even play it in college..they had to go zone because of him. Granted I didn't like Bagley and had him like 8th but that was a lot more solid draft class too.

But look at other PFs today, you don't see a lot of shut down PF defenders outside of Giannis, AD, Draymond, Pascal and some of the star bigger wings that play some PF like Kawhi or George (whoever guards the PF)...Collins, Randle, Bagley, Sabonis..none of these guys are great defenders but none have nearly the offensive repertoire of Toppin either.

I think Toppin being a legit offensive weapon in the NBA, maybe even star quality, is one of the more sure things of this draft class.

And lets face it, most of the other guys are pure projection (and could be busts) outside of maybe Vassell and Halliburton and probably Okongwu and Wiseman.

Of course I don't think he will make it to us and there are surely a few teams above us who love him, so this is probably all moot unless we move up.

I like Avdija too though (I have him and Toppin about equal)...and then Vassell. I like Halliburton too...I do wish he had a higher release on his shot though. Haven't seen enough of Ball and Hayes and don't like the fits of other bigs.

I do like playing wings with Ayton but also think you could use a guy like Toppin or Avdija possibly as a backup small ball 5 and maybe against some bigger lineups with lesser athletic, post up PFs.

Of course all the guys I named I like are likely to be gone....if we are 10th and the top 9 go according to tankathon's big board http://www.tankathon.com/big_board

I'd be tempted to trade down. Aleksej is a little enticing, but I think he's just too raw...otherwise I might go with Bey. I am not sure why Okoro is mocked to go much higher..probably because he is a freshman but Bey's #s are better across the board and he is an elite defender. Bey would be a nice pick especially if they were planning on dealing Oubre.

I'd probably take a look at RJ Hampton...I haven't really looked at him at all.