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Post#1741 » by LofJ » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:07 am

Since I think Edwards is going to be the guy to drop to 3 we need to move Rozier and/or Monk.

To Philly Rozier and Monk
To Charlotte Horford and the 21st pick

We take Tyrell Terry at 21 and whatever big is there that we like out of Nnaji, Carey, Oturu, etc. at 32.

Terry has to be there are 21 though, if he isn't Monk doesn't go out.

Graham/Terry
Edwards/Martin
Bridges/Batum/Martin
Washington/McDaniels
Horford/Zeller/32
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Post#1742 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:13 am

LofJ wrote:Since I think Edwards is going to be the guy to drop to 3 we need to move Rozier and/or Monk.

To Philly Rozier and Monk
To Charlotte Horford and the 21st pick

We take Tyrell Terry at 21 and whatever big is there that we like out of Nnaji, Carey, Oturu, etc. at 32.

Graham/Terry
Edwards/Martin
Bridges/Batum/Martin
Washington/McDaniels
Horford/Zeller/32


C'mon man. 3 more years of Horford? The dude is 34! They'd dump him for a lit fart! We need to sign WCS for season tickets and call it a day. Rozier alone has first round value in this draft. No need to take on a Horfordble contract plus dump Malik Monk. Edwards won't start as a rookie, even with Rozier gone so we need to keep Monk. So many teams need a PG (Pistons, Bulls, KNICKS, Suns) and will miss out on Ball. If we land Edwards, definitely trade Rozier for a late first. The Knicks own the Clips pick.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2 

Post#1743 » by LofJ » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:24 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:Since I think Edwards is going to be the guy to drop to 3 we need to move Rozier and/or Monk.

To Philly Rozier and Monk
To Charlotte Horford and the 21st pick

We take Tyrell Terry at 21 and whatever big is there that we like out of Nnaji, Carey, Oturu, etc. at 32.

Graham/Terry
Edwards/Martin
Bridges/Batum/Martin
Washington/McDaniels
Horford/Zeller/32


C'mon man. 3 more years of Horford? The dude is 34! They'd dump him for a lit fart! We need to sign WCS for season tickets and call it a day. Rozier alone has first round value in this draft. No need to take on a Horfordble contract plus dump Malik Monk. Edwards won't start as a rookie, even with Rozier gone so we need to keep Monk. So many teams need a PG (Pistons, Bulls, KNICKS, Suns) and will miss out on Ball. If we land Edwards, definitely trade Rozier for a late first. The Knicks own the Clips pick.


I definitely think we could get more to take Horford, if it was me I'd ask for a top 4 protected 2021 1st instead of their 2020 1st. I know most fans would be hesitant to wait for a payoff, but with how dysfunctional the 76'ers are becoming that pick could turn into gold.

That said I really like both Horford and Terry running Borrego's system.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2 

Post#1744 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:31 am

LofJ wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:Since I think Edwards is going to be the guy to drop to 3 we need to move Rozier and/or Monk.

To Philly Rozier and Monk
To Charlotte Horford and the 21st pick

We take Tyrell Terry at 21 and whatever big is there that we like out of Nnaji, Carey, Oturu, etc. at 32.

Graham/Terry
Edwards/Martin
Bridges/Batum/Martin
Washington/McDaniels
Horford/Zeller/32


C'mon man. 3 more years of Horford? The dude is 34! They'd dump him for a lit fart! We need to sign WCS for season tickets and call it a day. Rozier alone has first round value in this draft. No need to take on a Horfordble contract plus dump Malik Monk. Edwards won't start as a rookie, even with Rozier gone so we need to keep Monk. So many teams need a PG (Pistons, Bulls, KNICKS, Suns) and will miss out on Ball. If we land Edwards, definitely trade Rozier for a late first. The Knicks own the Clips pick.


I definitely think we could get more to take Horford, if it was me I'd ask for a top 4 protected 2021 1st instead of their 2020 1st. I know most fans would be hesitant to wait for a payoff, but with how dysfunctional the 76'ers are becoming that pick could turn into gold.


I'm totally down with vulturing the Sixers but if I'm taking on the contract of Horford or God forbid Tobias Harris I'd want to pluck Embiid or Simmons. Otherwise the Sixers can go to hell and pay out all that money. They're the best (and most expensive) treadmill team in the NBA. If they want off that ride, then make them pay. Who took Batum from us? And why not? We likely didn't want to part with Kemba to make it happen, but teams likely vultured us so we held on as long as we could.

I'd offer Rozier + Batum for Simmons + Harris.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2 

Post#1745 » by LofJ » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:45 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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C'mon man. 3 more years of Horford? The dude is 34! They'd dump him for a lit fart! We need to sign WCS for season tickets and call it a day. Rozier alone has first round value in this draft. No need to take on a Horfordble contract plus dump Malik Monk. Edwards won't start as a rookie, even with Rozier gone so we need to keep Monk. So many teams need a PG (Pistons, Bulls, KNICKS, Suns) and will miss out on Ball. If we land Edwards, definitely trade Rozier for a late first. The Knicks own the Clips pick.


I definitely think we could get more to take Horford, if it was me I'd ask for a top 4 protected 2021 1st instead of their 2020 1st. I know most fans would be hesitant to wait for a payoff, but with how dysfunctional the 76'ers are becoming that pick could turn into gold.


I'm totally down with vulturing the Sixers but if I'm taking on the contract of Horford or God forbid Tobias Harris I'd want to pluck Embiid or Simmons. Otherwise the Sixers can go to hell and pay out all that money. They're the best (and most expensive) treadmill team in the NBA. If they want off that ride, then make them pay. Who took Batum from us? And why not? We likely didn't want to part with Kemba to make it happen, but teams likely vultured us so we held on as long as we could.

I'd offer Rozier + Batum for Simmons + Harris.


If they want someone to take Harris they'd have to include Embiid and/or Simmons. So in other words he's practically untradeable. I don't think they'd pay that price just like we didn't. They'll look to move Horford for perimeter help and hire a new coach before they think about hitting the reset button.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2 

Post#1746 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:48 am

LofJ wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
LofJ wrote:
I definitely think we could get more to take Horford, if it was me I'd ask for a top 4 protected 2021 1st instead of their 2020 1st. I know most fans would be hesitant to wait for a payoff, but with how dysfunctional the 76'ers are becoming that pick could turn into gold.


I'm totally down with vulturing the Sixers but if I'm taking on the contract of Horford or God forbid Tobias Harris I'd want to pluck Embiid or Simmons. Otherwise the Sixers can go to hell and pay out all that money. They're the best (and most expensive) treadmill team in the NBA. If they want off that ride, then make them pay. Who took Batum from us? And why not? We likely didn't want to part with Kemba to make it happen, but teams likely vultured us so we held on as long as we could.

I'd offer Rozier + Batum for Simmons + Harris.


If they want someone to take Harris they'd have to include Embiid and/or Simmons. So in other words he's practically untradeable. I don't think they'd pay that price just like we didn't. They'll look to move Horford for perimeter help and hire a new coach before they think about hitting the reset button.


You're right. They wouldn't do it just like we didn't. But we're treating the market just like it treated us. This is what makes them elite treadmill to our fringe treadmill under Chobot.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2 

Post#1747 » by LofJ » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:41 pm

Any interest in attaching Bridges to the 3rd pick to move up to 1 to make sure we get the guy we want?
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Post#1748 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:06 pm

LofJ wrote:Any interest in attaching Bridges to the 3rd pick to move up to 1 to make sure we get the guy we want?

Not in this draft. It's cool that the team got lucky, but it's not worth spending assets, even marginal ones, to go higher up.
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Post#1749 » by bravor » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:13 pm

I'd rather trade Batum's expiring or Zeller or rozier with Miles to land a future valuable - ideally top10 projected, at worst top15 - 2021 or 2022 1st

It's been said, the difference between players is not that big (on the paper). Hard to guess who will have the biggest impact and/or biggest value. For me this draft is above all adding assets, not necessary long term assets.
The big deal is for next two (three?) drafts. This is where you dont want to mess up and have as many good picks as possible. And with the consequences of the pandemic, i find it hard to believe there won't be good opportunities for Hornets expirings.

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Post#1750 » by UNCNYC » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:44 pm

LofJ wrote:Since I think Edwards is going to be the guy to drop to 3 we need to move Rozier and/or Monk.

To Philly Rozier and Monk
To Charlotte Horford and the 21st pick

We take Tyrell Terry at 21 and whatever big is there that we like out of Nnaji, Carey, Oturu, etc. at 32.

Terry has to be there are 21 though, if he isn't Monk doesn't go out.

Graham/Terry
Edwards/Martin
Bridges/Batum/Martin
Washington/McDaniels
Horford/Zeller/32


I would totally go for this and so would philly. But instead of Edwards I would do Hayes. And we would be almost guaranteed one of either Terry or Devon Dotson. or Bolmaro at 21 so we are solid. And since Hayes can play either PG or SG that leaves who we have to take at pick 21 even easier so we can go either Terry, Dotson or Balmoro.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2 

Post#1751 » by yosemiteben » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:57 pm

I'm more inclined to trade down and draft someone like Hayes or Okongwu if they fall for a future first or pick swap or something.
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Post#1752 » by BlackOutBuzz » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:25 am

yosemiteben wrote:I'm more inclined to trade down and draft someone like Hayes or Okongwu if they fall for a future first or pick swap or something.
Yeah, my gut says we should use the 3rd pick since we never get this lucky; but it would be hilarious to fleece the Knicks to move back to our original 8th slot.

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Post#1753 » by Braggins » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:27 am

yosemiteben wrote:I'm more inclined to trade down and draft someone like Hayes or Okongwu if they fall for a future first or pick swap or something.

I usually don't like trading down, but this might be the draft for it. If the general perception of this draft is that its weak and also teams are looking to trade picks for cap space, but a team or two falls in love with Ball or Edwards, they might be able to milk a lot of value out of this pick and the cap space.

I think the 5-14 range in this draft is close to the normal talent level then the 1-4 range, so i wouldn't mind getting another lottery pick in this draft instead of a future pick, but a 2021 or 2022 pick would probably be better value if they trade back.

I kind of hope one of Wiseman or Okongwu falls and they find a way to trade back and come out of the draft with something like Wiseman/Okongwu and Hayes/Haliburton, but that might be hard to pull off and it might just be better to just get one of those guys and get an extra pick next year.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2 

Post#1754 » by Braggins » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:30 am

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I'm more inclined to trade down and draft someone like Hayes or Okongwu if they fall for a future first or pick swap or something.
Yeah, my gut says we should use the 3rd pick since we never get this lucky; but it would be hilarious to fleece the Knicks to move back to our original 8th slot.

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Post#1755 » by -Ian- » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:06 pm

Braggins wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I'm more inclined to trade down and draft someone like Hayes or Okongwu if they fall for a future first or pick swap or something.
Yeah, my gut says we should use the 3rd pick since we never get this lucky; but it would be hilarious to fleece the Knicks to move back to our original 8th slot.

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8th pick and RJ Barrett should be the starting point for me.
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Post#1756 » by LofJ » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:21 pm

-Ian- wrote:
Braggins wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:Yeah, my gut says we should use the 3rd pick since we never get this lucky; but it would be hilarious to fleece the Knicks to move back to our original 8th slot.

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8th pick and RJ Barrett should be the starting point for me.


The 8th pick and their 2021 1st with only top 2 protection would be mine. I'm not a huge fan of Barrett, he's a better passing but worse shooting Edwards.
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Post#1757 » by BlackOutBuzz » Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:35 pm

LofJ wrote:
-Ian- wrote:
Braggins wrote:Image

8th pick and RJ Barrett should be the starting point for me.


The 8th pick and their 2021 1st with only top 2 protection would be mine. I'm not a huge fan of Barrett, he's a better passing but worse shooting Edwards.
Rozier, Monk, and 32 for 8.

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Post#1758 » by -Ian- » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:14 pm

LofJ wrote:
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Braggins wrote:Image

8th pick and RJ Barrett should be the starting point for me.


The 8th pick and their 2021 1st with only top 2 protection would be mine. I'm not a huge fan of Barrett, he's a better passing but worse shooting Edwards.

I have confidence that Barrett can make a leap if he's with the Hornets because of Jay Triano and Nathaniel Mitchell — both are part of Canada Men's Basketball program.
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Post#1759 » by Soul Rebel » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:54 pm

I really want Robinson from the Knicks and would settle for that plus maybe something else as a filler to move back to 8.

I truly don't want to move off of the 3rd overall and think we have a shot at drafting a future star. We still could at 8, but I think the odds are less in our favor.

A frontcourt of PJ-Mitch is stupidly young and talented. Then add a wing at 8 and we have our future starting 5.... all of which are under 25. Jump into FA in '21 and lock in a superstar there with all of the money we will have after Batum comes off (minus Graham's extension).

Graham
Vassell/Okoro/Hayes (8th overall)
Bridges
PJ
Robinson

I also think we should trade Rozier while he is a hot commodity and at peak value. Not to say he won't remain there, but he only has two years left here, so why not strike while the iron is hot.
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Post#1760 » by HornetJail » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:19 pm

I proposed 3 for 8 + Robinson on the T&T board and people acted like I proposed trading a pair of 2nd rounders for Luka Doncic
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