2020 NBA Draft prospects

[jpatrick]

For what it is worth, can someone tell me best and worst comparison of

Wiseman
Edwards
Ball
Toppin
Avdija

I would appreciate it guys...I prefer your own opinion than website comparison...

My best guesses:

Wiseman: Bigger Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside or Javale McGee type
Edwards: Victor Oladipo / Dion Waiters
Ball: 6'7" version of Ben Simmons (or Rubio) with slightly better shot (this one was hard) / Rubio without any defense
Toppin: John Collins / maybe Marquese Chriss with a slightly better shot?
Avdija: Gordon Hayward or prime Hedo Turkoglu / Dario Saric type

The Ball one is hard. He has Anfernee Hardaway's size/handle and is a better passer but doesn't have close to Hardaway's athleticism or scoring ability.

[KGdaBom]

For what it is worth, can someone tell me best and worst comparison of

Wiseman
Edwards
Ball
Toppin
Avdija

I would appreciate it guys...I prefer your own opinion than website comparison...

My best guesses:

Wiseman: Bigger Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside or Javale McGee type
Edwards: Victor Oladipo / Dion Waiters
Ball: 6'7" version of Ben Simmons (or Rubio) with slightly better shot (this one was hard) / Rubio without any defense
Toppin: John Collins / maybe Marquese Chriss with a slightly better shot?
Avdija: Gordon Hayward or prime Hedo Turkoglu / Dario Saric type

The Ball one is hard. He has Anfernee Hardaway's size/handle and is a better passer but doesn't have close to Hardaway's athleticism or scoring ability.

Ouch. The Dion Waiters comp. Brutal.
Hedu is pretty good, but probably light on the creating shots skill.
I thought Bosh was a little too ambitious. Nope I don't see either of those for Toppin.
Rubio was interesting on both sides of the equation.

[Nick K]

Wiseman played well, no doubt. But his best game was against South Carolina State (28pts/11rebs/3blks/1ast), a team that was 11-18, even though playing most of their games against lower levels. They played no one taller than 6’7”/6’8” during most of the game.

I watched the UIC games last night (17/9/3/0). Wiseman certainly played well. UIC was just overmatched by the size/athleticism of Memphis in general, they won by about 50, but Wiseman didn’t show much offensively besides ability to dunk. He was a defensive/rebounding presence and had one nice turnaround jumper. UIC was again not great even playing against teams in their own league (18-17).

The game people point to is Oregon, as Oregon was a good team. Wiseman finished 14/12 with 1 block and no assists in a loss. Good? Yes. Dominant? No. I cannot find the full game online so I’ve only seen highlights. Can’t really tell much from highlights. Looks like most of Wiseman’s points came off putbacks and finishing passes with dunks.

His resume would be the equivalent of Edwards deciding to sit the rest of the season after scoring 33 in the second half against Michigan State, except Michigan State is a good team. I really hope we can get the top three in for workouts. Ball and Wiseman just have too little on film to know what can really do.

Good stuff. I agree.

[Nick K]

Yep. In the 72 hours I’ve gone from Wiseman to Edwards.
Swing for the fences. Edwards has a chance to be the turning point of the franchise.

If we get a little lucky that could happen.

[NebWolvesFan]

For what it is worth, can someone tell me best and worst comparison of

Wiseman
Edwards
Ball
Toppin
Avdija

I would appreciate it guys...I prefer your own opinion than website comparison...

My best guesses:

Wiseman: Bigger Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside or Javale McGee type
Edwards: Victor Oladipo / Dion Waiters
Ball: 6'7" version of Ben Simmons (or Rubio) with slightly better shot (this one was hard) / Rubio without any defense
Toppin: John Collins / maybe Marquese Chriss with a slightly better shot?
Avdija: Gordon Hayward or prime Hedo Turkoglu / Dario Saric type

The Ball one is hard. He has Anfernee Hardaway's size/handle and is a better passer but doesn't have close to Hardaway's athleticism or scoring ability.

Ouch. The Dion Waiters comp. Brutal.
Hedu is pretty good, but probably light on the creating shots skill.
I thought Bosh was a little too ambitious. Nope I don't see either of those for Toppin.

Edwards reminds me of Collin Sexton.

Rubio was interesting on both sides of the equation.

[KGdaBom]

My best guesses:

Wiseman: Bigger Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside or Javale McGee type
Edwards: Victor Oladipo / Dion Waiters
Ball: 6'7" version of Ben Simmons (or Rubio) with slightly better shot (this one was hard) / Rubio without any defense
Toppin: John Collins / maybe Marquese Chriss with a slightly better shot?
Avdija: Gordon Hayward or prime Hedo Turkoglu / Dario Saric type

The Ball one is hard. He has Anfernee Hardaway's size/handle and is a better passer but doesn't have close to Hardaway's athleticism or scoring ability.

Ouch. The Dion Waiters comp. Brutal.
Hedu is pretty good, but probably light on the creating shots skill.
I thought Bosh was a little too ambitious. Nope I don't see either of those for Toppin.



Rubio was interesting on both sides of the equation.

Edwards reminds me of Collin Sexton.

Fixed so Edwards to Sexton was attributed to you and not to me.

[TheZachAttack]

Wiseman played well, no doubt. But his best game was against South Carolina State (28pts/11rebs/3blks/1ast), a team that was 11-18, even though playing most of their games against lower levels. They played no one taller than 6’7”/6’8” during most of the game.

I watched the UIC games last night (17/9/3/0). Wiseman certainly played well. UIC was just overmatched by the size/athleticism of Memphis in general, they won by about 50, but Wiseman didn’t show much offensively besides ability to dunk. He was a defensive/rebounding presence and had one nice turnaround jumper. UIC was again not great even playing against teams in their own league (18-17).

The game people point to is Oregon, as Oregon was a good team. Wiseman finished 14/12 with 1 block and no assists in a loss. Good? Yes. Dominant? No. I cannot find the full game online so I’ve only seen highlights. Can’t really tell much from highlights. Looks like most of Wiseman’s points came off putbacks and finishing passes with dunks.

His resume would be the equivalent of Edwards deciding to sit the rest of the season after scoring 33 in the second half against Michigan State, except Michigan State is a good team. I really hope we can get the top three in for workouts. Ball and Wiseman just have too little on film to know what can really do.

He also only played 22 minutes in the Oregon game. Prorate that over 30 minutes and he's at about 19 points and 16 rebounds. That's a very productive game for a freshman against a good team.

Per 36 that’s 23 points - 20 rebounds (7 offensive) - 10 free throws. If that’s not dominant I’ll take whatever that is lol. I mean it’s obvious they just couldn’t handle his size and athleticism at all.

[TheZachAttack]

If you read my post history I’m a 1-3-1 truther and I believe in optimizing your best player. I think Wiseman is enough of a talent to break from your system and plan. I’d go so far to say that if he played for a whole season he’d be thought of like a Zion. He’s just a huge problem on both ends of the floor. High floor and projectable high ceiling.

I think he’s basically Rudy Gobert floor and Anthony Davis ceiling.

His floor is WAY lower than Rudy Gobert.

His floOr is probably McGee just not as many Shaqtin a fool moments and a jumper a team could potentially develop.

I disagree. He’s way better than McGee.

[Jedzz]

Can players still declare for the draft? If they can, Rosas could maybe put in a call. Got this name over on general board.

defense, 3,and more. After seeing Luka today it's time to mine the Euro dry.

Watch on YouTube

[shangrila]

Wiseman played well, no doubt. But his best game was against South Carolina State (28pts/11rebs/3blks/1ast), a team that was 11-18, even though playing most of their games against lower levels. They played no one taller than 6’7”/6’8” during most of the game.

I watched the UIC games last night (17/9/3/0). Wiseman certainly played well. UIC was just overmatched by the size/athleticism of Memphis in general, they won by about 50, but Wiseman didn’t show much offensively besides ability to dunk. He was a defensive/rebounding presence and had one nice turnaround jumper. UIC was again not great even playing against teams in their own league (18-17).

The game people point to is Oregon, as Oregon was a good team. Wiseman finished 14/12 with 1 block and no assists in a loss. Good? Yes. Dominant? No. I cannot find the full game online so I’ve only seen highlights. Can’t really tell much from highlights. Looks like most of Wiseman’s points came off putbacks and finishing passes with dunks.

His resume would be the equivalent of Edwards deciding to sit the rest of the season after scoring 33 in the second half against Michigan State, except Michigan State is a good team. I really hope we can get the top three in for workouts. Ball and Wiseman just have too little on film to know what can really do.

He also only played 22 minutes in the Oregon game. Prorate that over 30 minutes and he's at about 19 points and 16 rebounds. That's a very productive game for a freshman against a good team.

Per 36 that’s 23 points - 20 rebounds (7 offensive) - 10 free throws. If that’s not dominant I’ll take whatever that is lol. I mean it’s obvious they just couldn’t handle his size and athleticism at all.

So why didn't he play 36 minutes? He wasn't in foul trouble and they lost by 8.

[Jedzz]

He also only played 22 minutes in the Oregon game. Prorate that over 30 minutes and he's at about 19 points and 16 rebounds. That's a very productive game for a freshman against a good team.

Per 36 that’s 23 points - 20 rebounds (7 offensive) - 10 free throws. If that’s not dominant I’ll take whatever that is lol. I mean it’s obvious they just couldn’t handle his size and athleticism at all.

So why didn't he play 36 minutes? He wasn't in foul trouble and they lost by 8.

Remember Kat sharing minutes in college.

[TheProdigy]

He also only played 22 minutes in the Oregon game. Prorate that over 30 minutes and he's at about 19 points and 16 rebounds. That's a very productive game for a freshman against a good team.

Per 36 that’s 23 points - 20 rebounds (7 offensive) - 10 free throws. If that’s not dominant I’ll take whatever that is lol. I mean it’s obvious they just couldn’t handle his size and athleticism at all.

So why didn't he play 36 minutes? He wasn't in foul trouble and they lost by 8.

It was only the 3rd game of the season and some coaches like to slowly work their freshman into the rotation? You would have to ask his coach Penny Hardaway.

[Nick K]

For what it is worth, can someone tell me best and worst comparison of

Wiseman
Edwards
Ball
Toppin
Avdija

I would appreciate it guys...I prefer your own opinion than website comparison...

My best guesses:

Wiseman: Bigger Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside or Javale McGee type
Edwards: Victor Oladipo / Dion Waiters
Ball: 6'7" version of Ben Simmons (or Rubio) with slightly better shot (this one was hard) / Rubio without any defense
Toppin: John Collins / maybe Marquese Chriss with a slightly better shot?
Avdija: Gordon Hayward or prime Hedo Turkoglu / Dario Saric type

The Ball one is hard. He has Anfernee Hardaway's size/handle and is a better passer but doesn't have close to Hardaway's athleticism or scoring ability.

Ouch. The Dion Waiters comp. Brutal.
Hedu is pretty good, but probably light on the creating shots skill.
I thought Bosh was a little too ambitious. Nope I don't see either of those for Toppin.
Rubio was interesting on both sides of the equation.

My comp is D Wade.

[shangrila]

Per 36 that’s 23 points - 20 rebounds (7 offensive) - 10 free throws. If that’s not dominant I’ll take whatever that is lol. I mean it’s obvious they just couldn’t handle his size and athleticism at all.

So why didn't he play 36 minutes? He wasn't in foul trouble and they lost by 8.

Remember Kat sharing minutes in college.

Is that why?

I'm legitimately curious, it's not an attempted "gotcha!" question. If people are going to fawn over what he could have done in 36 minutes then I'd like to know why he didn't play that. If it's because of others (I'm guessing Precious as small ball 5), cool. But he only averaged 23mpg so if there's some other reason I'd like to know.

[Dewey]

Okungwu (PF) ... position of need ... rebounding , help defense, understands pick-n-roll game on both ends.

Edwards (SG) ... physically ready, can finish at the basket, nice shot, capable defender

Avdija (SF) ... just a lot of good basketball Skills and instincts.

DLo* ... JMac
Edwards ... Beasley, Okogie, Martin, Nowell, Evans
Avdija ... Culver, Layman, Johnson, Hernangomez, Vanderbilt
Okungwu ... Spellman
KAT* ... Reid

When you look at putting a roster together, we sorta have Wing (SG and SF) by committee ... However that PF gap stands out. IMO it makes a case for Okungwu having a big impact in terms of need, depth, and roster balance.

[Jedzz]

So why didn't he play 36 minutes? He wasn't in foul trouble and they lost by 8.

Remember Kat sharing minutes in college.

Is that why?

I'm legitimately curious, it's not an attempted "gotcha!" question. If people are going to fawn over what he could have done in 36 minutes then I'd like to know why he didn't play that. If it's because of others (I'm guessing Precious as small ball 5), cool. But he only averaged 23mpg so if there's some other reason I'd like to know.

yeah I don't have that answer. I just offered the Kat thing because I remember being surprised about that back when.

[shangrila]

For what it is worth, can someone tell me best and worst comparison of

Wiseman
Edwards
Ball
Toppin
Avdija

I would appreciate it guys...I prefer your own opinion than website comparison...

As in who their absolute best outcome is vs their worst? Because honestly their worst outcome is always out of the league. But sure, I'll give it a go.

Wiseman - Best; KG (if his shot develops), Worst; Nerlens Noel
Edwards - Best; Victor Oladipo (if his defence improves), Worst; Dion Waiters/non-Cleveland JR Smith
Ball - Best; Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (if his shot improves, tough to find a star-ish tall scoring PG), Worst; post injury Shaun Livingston without the shot or defence
Toppin - Best; Amare with a shot (HIGHLY unlikely), Worst; John Collins without the rebounding or defence (or shot)
Avdija - Best; Taller Danny Granger, Worst; Omri Casspi (a little lazy but the 3pt/FT % splits are weirdly similar given their identical nationalities)

[shangrila]

Okungwu (PF) ... position of need ... rebounding , help defense, understands pick-n-roll game on both ends.

Edwards (SG) ... physically ready, can finish at the basket, nice shot, capable defender

Avdija (SF) ... just a lot of good basketball Skills and instincts.

DLo* ... JMac
Edwards ... Beasley, Okogie, Martin, Nowell, Evans
Avdija ... Culver, Layman, Johnson, Hernangomez, Vanderbilt
Okungwu ... Spellman
KAT* ... Reid

When you look at putting a roster together, we sorta have Wing (SG and SF) by committee ... However that PF gap stands out. IMO it makes a case for Okungwu having a big impact in terms of need, depth, and roster balance.

What do you expect? When you put half the PFs (Johnson, Hernangomez and Vanderbilt) at the 3...yeah, no duh there'll be a hole at the 4.

[King Malta]

How confident are any of us in Towns becoming a better defender?

If Towns remains as the center going forward, the only option is finding an athletic, defensive-minded PF who can also shoot from behind the arc. Wiseman allows the Wolves to change that approach.

He wouldn't be depended on to star from day one. Instead, he'd be asked to keep it simple. Offensively focus on rolling, rim running and put-backs; defensively work on clogging the lane, blocking and rebounding. He would expand his game from there.

A drawback to Wiseman is if the two didn't mesh, his value wouldn't be as high as Edwards or even Ball.

'Value retention' is a big thing for me with this pick, and I'm actually not so sure if Wiseman won't retain a higher level of value simply for a meshing issue.

Is Wiseman demonstrates that he's a positive defender and rebounder who simply lacks the 3 point range and that we're struggling to integrate into our 1-3-1 system (assuming we don't deviate), will he honestly lose that much value than, say, Ball who displays an inability to defend and shoot the 3 or Edwards who turns out to be a chucky wing with motivation issues?

Now obviously I've gone with the pretty negative outlooks for Ball/Edwards there but I do think that if Wiseman turns out to at least be a positive rebounder and defender that he'd retain the most value out of three if things went pear shaped. Interested to hear the thoughts of others on this.

[Jedzz]

Make your case for that Deni adviji guy. Is he just another Bjlelica role guy at best or do you think something more?