Official Fire Doc Rivers thread

MartinToVaught · Post #141 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:05 pm

Here's a truly sad thought: Doc is the fourth-highest-paid coach in American sports. Doc is getting paid more than Nick Saban and Coach K to have Reggie guard Luka. Let that sink in.

MartinToVaught · Post #142 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:41 pm

Once again, blaming the players instead of himself:

Read on Twitter

Doc had plenty of time to call timeout and bring in a different lineup. Instead, he just watched the game play out. He was every bit as "detached" as the players, if not more, but of course he won't admit that.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #143 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:31 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:He wants to live in LA and could have signed with the Lakers, but didn't want to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle. Perhaps failing in the playoffs would change his mind, but the Clippers have been good to him and done everything he has asked of them.

Don't forget, the only reason Doc has not been fired is because of how he helped guided them through the Donald Sterling scandal.

And Doc joining the Lakers right after being fired by Clippers would be the worst case scenario. LeBron being there means an automatic Finals appearance. What if the Lakers next year traded for Chris Paul, the guy who made the Clippers relevant in the first place? Sure, he and Doc don't see each other eye to eye, but with LeBron he can act as a mediator. With Paul still as president of Players Association, LeBron would be motivated to save his buddy's legacy. The Lakers would be completely invincible. If the Clippers were to draw them in the playoffs, they would have to face 1) their past (everything Clippers did self-inflicted via Sterling) 2) their beloved (a former savior joining the enemy) and 3) the curse (Sterling helping Dr. Buss buy the Lakers aka Curse Of The Bambino Part Deux). It would be too emotional for the Clippers, and the Lakers would end this in a sweep. In fact, losing to the Lakers could prompt their decision to move out of California completely, even with the no-relocation clause.

Clippers must win this year, or else next season will be the most painful of all.

donemilio21 · Post #144 » by **donemilio21** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:40 pm

Wammy Giveaway wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:He wants to live in LA and could have signed with the Lakers, but didn't want to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle. Perhaps failing in the playoffs would change his mind, but the Clippers have been good to him and done everything he has asked of them.

Don't forget, the only reason Doc has not been fired is because of how he helped guided them through the Donald Sterling scandal.

And Doc joining the Lakers right after being fired by Clippers would be the worst case scenario. LeBron being there means an automatic Finals appearance. What if the Lakers next year traded for Chris Paul, the guy who made the Clippers relevant in the first place? Sure, he and Doc don't see each other eye to eye, but with LeBron he can act as a mediator. With Paul still as president of Players Association, LeBron would be motivated to save his buddy's legacy. The Lakers would be completely invincible. If the Clippers were to draw them in the playoffs, they would have to face 1) their past (everything Clippers did self-inflicted via Sterling) 2) their beloved (a former savior joining the enemy) and 3) the curse (Sterling helping Dr. Buss buy the Lakers aka Curse Of The Bambino Part Deux). It would be too emotional for the Clippers, and the Lakers would end this in a sweep. In fact, losing to the Lakers could prompt their decision to move out of California completely, even with the no-relocation clause.

Clippers must win this year, or else next season will be the most painful of all.

Are you suggesting Doc would make Lakers invincible??? Do explain how?

esqtvd · Post #145 » by **esqtvd** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:41 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
og15 wrote:Just for some perspective, these are just from today on the general board:

Lesson...coaching is quite the job

Nice try, Mr. Moderator. But this will never end, bro. Every thread will be poisoned with this crap. Forevermore.

Jonathan Swift originally said the reasoning quote

lol GOOD ONE

FIRE STEVE KERR

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/warriors-blew-31-point-lead-clippers

MartinToVaught · Post #146 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:46 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:
esqtvd wrote:

Nice try, Mr. Moderator. But this will never end, bro. Every thread will be poisoned with this crap. Forevermore.

Jonathan Swift originally said the reasoning quote

lol GOOD ONE

FIRE STEVE KERR

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/warriors-blew-31-point-lead-clippers

Steve Kerr has won three rings with the Warriors. Doc has not coached the Clippers past the second round. If Doc had already put three banners in the rafters for us, nobody would be stressing about this loss right now.

As always, these types of comparisons are beyond stupid.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #147 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:14 pm

donemilio21 wrote:Are you suggesting Doc would make Lakers invincible??? Do explain how?

"Hell... NO!" - Matt Oberg (Kite Man)

The Lakers invincibility would come from their aura, who they are. They have a history of winning, with two titles away from becoming the de facto franchise of the NBA. They once saved the NBA from bankruptcy in the late 1970's. Doc coming to the Lakers would not make them invincible. It's the pairing of LeBron James and Chris Paul that I'm worried about. Even at his current age, and all the bad things he's did that tarnished his image and reputation (the Paul-Rondo fight takes the cake), Paul still has something left in the tank.

Remember, the Clippers have yet to face the Lakers in a playoff series. Clippers will have no idea what they'll be up against when they meet face to face with L.A.'s better brother.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #148 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:23 am

donemilio21 wrote:I am officially on board with firing Doc and let one of the assistants to take over. Either Lou or Kalamian.

Sam Cassell would probably command the players attention. It's a bit risky because he's never coached before, but he is great with young players and the vets have to respect him

NickP · Post #149 » by **NickP** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:09 am

MartinToVaught wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:Jonathan Swift originally said the reasoning quote

lol GOOD ONE

FIRE STEVE KERR

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/warriors-blew-31-point-lead-clippers

Steve Kerr has won three rings with the Warriors. Doc has not coached the Clippers past the second round. If Doc had already put three banners in the rafters for us, nobody would be stressing about this loss right now.

As always, these types of comparisons are beyond stupid.

THIS!!

esqtvd · Post #150 » by **esqtvd** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:51 am

double standards

Quake Griffin · Post #151 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:43 pm

Read on Twitter

click to see the possession he is talking about.

donemilio21 · Post #152 » by **donemilio21** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:25 pm

Wammy Giveaway wrote:
donemilio21 wrote:Are you suggesting Doc would make Lakers invincible??? Do explain how?

"Hell... NO!" - Matt Oberg (Kite Man)

The Lakers invincibility would come from their aura, who they are. They have a history of winning, with two titles away from becoming the de facto franchise of the NBA. They once saved the NBA from bankruptcy in the late 1970's. Doc coming to the Lakers would not make them invincible. It's the pairing of LeBron James and Chris Paul that I'm worried about. Even at his current age, and all the bad things he's did that tarnished his image and reputation (the Paul-Rondo fight takes the cake), Paul still has something left in the tank.

Remember, the Clippers have yet to face the Lakers in a playoff series. Clippers will have no idea what they'll be up against when they meet face to face with L.A.'s better brother.

I am a big fan of Chris Paul and he will be a high impact player for years to come. You can't worry about CP3 going to Lakers as he has 2 more years on his contract after this season that pays him $41M and $45M.
Doc would work on any Lebron team as it worked with a CP3 team. You don't need expert playcalling when you have those types of players. They run the plays and coach the team. We do not have that type of player. Kawhi or PG are not playmakers. So we need a good coach.

donemilio21 · Post #153 » by **donemilio21** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:31 pm

NickP wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
lol GOOD ONE

FIRE STEVE KERR

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/warriors-blew-31-point-lead-clippers

Steve Kerr has won three rings with the Warriors. Doc has not coached the Clippers past the second round. If Doc had already put three banners in the rafters for us, nobody would be stressing about this loss right now.

As always, these types of comparisons are beyond stupid.

THIS!!

Doc reached conference finals 3 times 16 appearances in playoffs, last one came 8 years ago in a very weak Eastern conference with Miami and Rose-less Bulls (they lost in 1st round) were the only good teams.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #154 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:34 pm

donemilio21 wrote:Doc would work on any Lebron team as it worked with a CP3 team. You don't need expert playcalling when you have those types of players. They run the plays and coach the team. We do not have that type of player. Kawhi or PG are not playmakers. So we need a good coach.

Who is that good coach? I don't know jack about college coaches, so I can't vouch for that. (Give me some names so I can be educated)

Too many of the truly good coaches the Clippers could have had are gone or retired. If only Sterling hadn't got in the way.

We don't know if any of the current assistant coaches the Clippers have can take up the head mantle. Kalamian, Cassell, Nakase (the first female head coach if selected)?

The only good coaches out there will require the Clippers to trade a draft pick for, but then they run the risk of a gag order. Trading a pick for Budenholzer means no Antetokounmpo. A Spoelstra trade means no Butler. Want Popovich, give up on bringing DeRozan home. Going for Kerr means losing out on Curry, Thompson and/or Green.

Without a name to consider, Clippers are forever stuck with Doc Rivers.

NickP · Post #155 » by **NickP** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:55 pm

I've been watching the Lakers and they're playing like a team well coached. Not your "Give the ball to LeBron and see what happens". They get open shots from great ball movement. Cutting. Slashing. When was the last time we saw that?

esqtvd · Post #156 » by **esqtvd** » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:47 pm

The 2020-21 season starts in 4 months--maybe Christmas Day. It makes no sense to try to start over on the fly with a new coach. This was a brand-new team--only Pat Bev, J-Myke, Lou and Trezz were even here on Christmas Day 2018. And 2020 had a full team only about a dozen games all year.

Ballmer seems the patient type or at least not the panicky type. There is no percentage in not seeing this all the way through.

NickP · Post #157 » by **NickP** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:26 pm

esqtvd wrote:The 2020-21 season starts in 4 months--maybe Christmas Day. It makes no sense to try to start over on the fly with a new coach. This was a brand-new team--only Pat Bev, J-Myke, Lou and Trezz were even here on Christmas Day 2018. And 2020 had a full team only about a dozen games all year.

Ballmer seems the patient type or at least not the panicky type. There is no percentage in not seeing this all the way through.

What's your definition of all the way through? Complete this season? Next season? How much rope would you give Doc if you were the GM with no rings to show for it?

esqtvd · Post #158 » by **esqtvd** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:04 pm

NickP wrote:
esqtvd wrote:The 2020-21 season starts in 4 months--maybe Christmas Day. It makes no sense to try to start over on the fly with a new coach. This was a brand-new team--only Pat Bev, J-Myke, Lou and Trezz were even here on Christmas Day 2018. And 2020 had a full team only about a dozen games all year.

Ballmer seems the patient type or at least not the panicky type. There is no percentage in not seeing this all the way through.

What's your definition of all the way through? Complete this season? Next season? How much rope would you give Doc if you were the GM with no rings to show for it?

One more season and re-evaluate. My observation is just that putting in a new system with a new coach on the fly by Christmas seems crazy. And with constant injuries and then the 5-month hiatus just as the team was playing well, this Clippers team is NOT a well-oiled machine like the Spurs and Warriors became. It's not fair to judge it without giving it SOME chance to achieve some continuity.

I'd say this regardless of who the coach is. Play it out, at least one more season.

MartinToVaught · Post #159 » by **MartinToVaught** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:10 pm

We've already had seven seasons to evaluate. It's not like Doc's tendencies as a coach are going to magically change in year 8. At some point, it's just time to move on if he can't deliver in the playoffs. We don't have time to hope for miracles in the postseason.

You're acting like implementing a new system during the season is some impossible expectation and not something that every new coach has to do in their first year with a team. Clearly actual NBA decision-makers disagree with your opinion that next season's schedule is an issue, because teams around the league are still making coaching changes.

NickP · Post #160 » by **NickP** » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:36 pm

esqtvd wrote:
NickP wrote:
esqtvd wrote:The 2020-21 season starts in 4 months--maybe Christmas Day. It makes no sense to try to start over on the fly with a new coach. This was a brand-new team--only Pat Bev, J-Myke, Lou and Trezz were even here on Christmas Day 2018. And 2020 had a full team only about a dozen games all year.

Ballmer seems the patient type or at least not the panicky type. There is no percentage in not seeing this all the way through.

What's your definition of all the way through? Complete this season? Next season? How much rope would you give Doc if you were the GM with no rings to show for it?

One more season and re-evaluate. My observation is just that putting in a new system with a new coach on the fly by Christmas seems crazy. And with constant injuries and then the 5-month hiatus just as the team was playing well, this Clippers team is NOT a well-oiled machine like the Spurs and Warriors became. It's not fair to judge it without giving it SOME chance to achieve some continuity.

I'd say this regardless of who the coach is. Play it out, at least one more season.

While that logic seems good it shouldn't apply to Doc. If he doesn't win it all this year then he goes. Coaches all over the league are fired every year and they've been dealt with a worse hand than Doc. Also this is a players' league. Kawhi and PG should be asked in total privacy how they feel about Doc. If the main stars are ok then I guess he gets another year.