2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[MrFortune3]

I have a feeling AK is going Denver style where Deni will be the joker but in a SF body while Coby is Jamal and we have the luxury of Zach as an additional potent offensive weapon.

I do feel Deni or Lamelo will fit into GSW's system nicely but doubt GSW will pick Deni at #2. The wild card will be Charlotte but then again they are infamous for screwing up their high picks.

I just want Deni. Don’t care how we do it.

[PlayerUp]

I don’t know if Hayes or Haliburton are worth a 4 pick. But if I’m reaching for that 4th pick I would take Haliburton. I think if he reach his ceiling he could be a better playmaking Malcolm Brogdon.

You're not getting good value with taking Hayes or Haliburton at #4. I think both prospects slip to #7 as Cleveland/Atlanta don't need a PG. Between the 2, Hayes is a bigger project but Haliburton is clearly the better player right now. If I had to pick between the 2, I would go Haliburton. Being he appears to be a better defender, more athletic, better rebounder, faster.

My general take is if we can't decide who to take, trade down and go with Haliburton over Hayes.

Hali is 1.5 years older too. I think Soph Hayes would be the obvious pick.

Haliburton is the clear better player at the moment. You'd be drafting Hayes based on potential but is his potential enough? Personally I don't see the upside in Hayes like others do as his lack of speed and athleticism will hurt him against the other guards in the NBA. I may change my mind as I often do with international prospects as I need to see more from Hayes through his predraft workouts and measurements coming up. With all that said, I wouldn't draft either of these players at #4 at the moment. If we had the #8 pick, different story. Trading down is something I do support.

[Chi town]

I'd like to get your guys' take on Tyrell Terry when you have a min. He's moving up boards and looks to have Steph/Trae/Dame range. His height is good at 6'3", but he only weighs 160 lbs. lol, which makes me think he'll be relegated to a 3pt specialist role off the bench. Plus he looks like he's 12. Thoughts?

Yeah he can be Seth Curry basically. Which is probably worthy of late lotto consideration.

Landry Shamet

[PlayerUp]

I'd like to get your guys' take on Tyrell Terry when you have a min. He's moving up boards and looks to have Steph/Trae/Dame range. His height is good at 6'3", but he only weighs 160 lbs. lol, which makes me think he'll be relegated to a 3pt specialist role off the bench. Plus he looks like he's 12. Thoughts?

I prefer Kira Lewis Jr. over Tyrell Terry.

Tyrell Terry is actually 6'1.5 and 19.9 years old.
Kira Lewis Jr is 6'2.5 and 19.4 years old.

Kira Lewis Jr looks like the better player at the moment and blew up at the end of the season.

With that said, this draft looks deep and I would look to acquire another pick later in the 1st Round if possible.

[Grodoboldo]

Guys, the same way we all want to trade down, no one is looking to trade up. And if by chance one team really loves a prospect enough to move up, the Warriors have a higher pick and an even greater desire to trade down.
Of course the FO will do its due diligence, but unless there's a huge surprise, they'll just take the player they like best, projections be damned.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I've been trying to tell ya'll... Kira is a star.

[bad knees]

You're not getting good value with taking Hayes or Haliburton at #4. I think both prospects slip to #7 as Cleveland/Atlanta don't need a PG. Between the 2, Hayes is a bigger project but Haliburton is clearly the better player right now. If I had to pick between the 2, I would go Haliburton. Being he appears to be a better defender, more athletic, better rebounder, faster.

My general take is if we can't decide who to take, trade down and go with Haliburton over Hayes.

Hali is 1.5 years older too. I think Soph Hayes would be the obvious pick.

Haliburton is the clear better player at the moment. You'd be drafting Hayes based on potential but is his potential enough? Personally I don't see the upside in Hayes like others do as his lack of speed and athleticism will hurt him against the other guards in the NBA. I may change my mind as I often do with international prospects as I need to see more from Hayes through his predraft workouts and measurements coming up. With all that said, I wouldn't draft either of these players at #4 at the moment. If we had the #8 pick, different story. Trading down is something I do support.

Halliburton cannot create on his own, and his style of play and skill suggest that he will never will. Drafting him is drafting a complementary player, which means being good with LaVine and White as your lead guard/wings. That is not a path that I want to follow - as much as I like those two guys, neither is likely to ever be the best player on a good team. When you have the 4th pick, you should pick the guy who has the strongest likelihood of developing into a number 1 guy on a good team, if that likelihood is reasonable. I am not saying that Hayes is a sure all-star, but his total package creates the possibility of greatness. And it is not a ridiculous premise given his skills, size, age and BB IQ.

Also, as Chitown noted, Hali is 1.5 years older than Hayes, and Hayes was playing last year against men in Europe while Hali was in the Big 12 playing against younger guys. Put Hayes next year in the Big 12, and I am confident he would light it up and show much better than Hali.

[PlayerUp]

I've been trying to tell ya'll... Kira is a star.

This is why people say the best players could be drafted later in the draft. I agree Kira looks great but value wise you cannot take him at #4. Ideally if we can trade down and get 2 1st Rd Picks similar to what the Pelicans did getting the #10 and #17, that may end up being a better route to go at maximizing this drafts talent.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I've been trying to tell ya'll... Kira is a star.

He’s the only player I watched live this season who popped immediately and consistently.

[PlayerUp]

Halliburton cannot create on his own, and his style of play and skill suggest that he will never will. Drafting him is drafting a complementary player, which means being good with LaVine and White as your lead guard/wings. That is not a path that I want to follow - as much as I like those two guys, neither is likely to ever be the best player on a good team. When you have the 4th pick, you should pick the guy who has the strongest likelihood of developing into a number 1 guy on a good team, if that likelihood is reasonable. I am not saying that Hayes is a sure all-star, but his total package creates the possibility of greatness. And it is not a ridiculous premise given his skills, size, age and BB IQ.

Also, as Chitown noted, Hali is 1.5 years older than Hayes, and Hayes was playing last year against men in Europe while Hali was in the Big 12 playing against younger guys. Put Hayes next year in the Big 12, and I am confident he would light it up and show much better than Hali.

Well I made clear I don't want Hayes or Halliburton at #4. These are guys you trade down for.

I'm not ruling out Hayes but I need to see more. Where I stand with draft prospects right now is a wait and see. I think the current mocks are off quite alot right now due to us not having march madness and there has been 6+ month gap since they last played. We could see some prospects jump up quickly in the draft. All this talk of point guards and prospects like Kira Lewis Jr are being ignored.

[PlayerUp]

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Personally I don't understand why some mocks have him going #15 to #25. He looks like a late lottery pick to me.

[holv03]

I've been trying to tell ya'll... Kira is a star.

Haliburton out played him in the game vs Alabama. He has potential but he needs to be more in control.

[PlayerUp]

I've been trying to tell ya'll... Kira is a star.

Last 9 Games for Kira Lewis Jr.

23.2 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 6.7 APG, 49% FG, 46.2% 3PT.

If March Madness had happened, he could have been a clear Top 10 pick right now.

[PlayerUp]

I've been trying to tell ya'll... Kira is a star.

Haliburton out played him in the game vs Alabama. He has potential but he needs to be more in control.

Kira is a year younger than Haliburton.

[Chewie]

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Personally I don't understand why some mocks have him going #15 to #25. He looks like a late lottery pick to me.

Nice looking clips...has me intrigued and he looks explosive AF. Found myself saying "dunk it" multiple times in that video as he seems to play below the rim but could be just the clips that were chosen.

[Repeat 3-peat]

1. Edwards
2. Deni
3. Wiseman/Obi
4. Ball

I can see it very likely playing out this way.

[drosereturn]

I have a feeling AK is going Denver style where Deni will be the joker but in a SF body while Coby is Jamal and we have the luxury of Zach as an additional potent offensive weapon.

I do feel Deni or Lamelo will fit into GSW's system nicely but doubt GSW will pick Deni at #2. The wild card will be Charlotte but then again they are infamous for screwing up their high picks.

Except those guys are not even close to Joker, Jamal and Lavine is nowhere enough to make up for it.
In all honesty, only few guy suits Denver style and it is Sato, Lauri. Otto. Nobody else intrigues AK bc they dont move the ball.

AK will go Denver style by trading down get several picks and use one for Poku who is this yrs Jokic.
You always draft talent no one cares esp in overseas where its hard to judge based on mixtape unless you go there yourself.
KP, Nurkic, Joker would be the reasons to go for a Euro big bc they are multi dimensional playing against grown men.

[PlayerUp]

AK will go Denver style by trading down get several picks and use one for Poku who is this yrs Jokic.
You always draft talent no one cares esp in overseas where its hard to judge based on mixtape unless you go there yourself.
KP, Nurkic, Joker would be the reasons to go for a Euro big bc they are multi dimensional playing against grown men.

This is correct.

AK definitely tries to maximize the draft getting high risk gems, moving down and buying picks. He never picked above #7 in any of his drafts and managed to land Porter, Bol Bol, Jamal Murray, Monte Morris, Malik Beasley, Gary Harris, Nurkic, Jokic over just 5 drafts.

[Dez]

AK will go Denver style by trading down get several picks and use one for Poku who is this yrs Jokic.
You always draft talent no one cares esp in overseas where its hard to judge based on mixtape unless you go there yourself.
KP, Nurkic, Joker would be the reasons to go for a Euro big bc they are multi dimensional playing against grown men.

This is correct.

AK definitely tries to maximize the draft getting high risk gems, moving down and buying picks. He never picked above #7 in any of his drafts and managed to land Porter, Bol Bol, Jamal Murray, Monte Morris, Malik Beasley, Gary Harris, Nurkic, Jokic over just 5 drafts.

He didn't "manage to land" Porter or Bol Bol they fell because of legitimate injury concerns and teams in the lottery were actually lottery teams and not playoff teams that ended up with late lottery picks.

Denver was simply in a position to take a gamble on these players because they were a capped out playoff team where it didn't matter if they bombed out on these picks, it was low risk high reward.

Also Bol Bol hasn't proven anything yet.

[Just_Bullz]

I have a feeling AK is going Denver style where Deni will be the joker but in a SF body while Coby is Jamal and we have the luxury of Zach as an additional potent offensive weapon.

I do feel Deni or Lamelo will fit into GSW's system nicely but doubt GSW will pick Deni at #2. The wild card will be Charlotte but then again they are infamous for screwing up their high picks.

Except those guys are not even close to Joker, Jamal and Lavine is nowhere enough to make up for it.
In all honesty, only few guy suits Denver style and it is Sato, Lauri. Otto. Nobody else intrigues AK bc they dont move the ball.

AK will go Denver style by trading down get several picks and use one for Poku who is this yrs Jokic.
You always draft talent no one cares esp in overseas where its hard to judge based on mixtape unless you go there yourself.
KP, Nurkic, Joker would be the reasons to go for a Euro big bc they are multi dimensional playing against grown men.

AK is not gonna trade down in this draft in my opinion. This is his first opportunity as top honcho with a 4th pick and it's too early to give up hope on Coby. He just finished his first season, it took Jamal a while to be where he is as well.