2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[PlayerUp]

White Lavine and Anthony doesnt make a lot of sense for sure

Anthony is more of a pure pg than White so White would be going to the bench.
His game was always 6th man I wont ever drafted based on him. Total non factor.
But anthony has high ceiling as a high end starter/borderline all star reminds me of post acl Drose.
Hes got game.

Well we can't draft Cole Anthony because he has a high ceiling / could be an all star after struggling immensely during his freshman season. More than likely if you struggle in NCAA basketball, you'll struggle even more in the NBA. Teams like Vanderbilt finished 3-15 in their conference. Terrible team but Aaron Nesmith was able to average 23 PPG on 52% 3PT.

I don't think Cole Anthony playing on a good team would have made much of a difference. He flat out sucked most of the NCAA season.

[PlayerUp]

I'd like to get your guys' take on Tyrell Terry when you have a min. He's moving up boards and looks to have Steph/Trae/Dame range. His height is good at 6'3", but he only weighs 160 lbs. lol, which makes me think he'll be relegated to a 3pt specialist role off the bench. Plus he looks like he's 12. Thoughts?

I prefer Kira Lewis Jr. over Tyrell Terry.

Tyrell Terry is actually 6'1.5 and 19.9 years old.
Kira Lewis Jr is 6'2.5 and 19.4 years old.

Kira Lewis Jr looks like the better player at the moment and blew up at the end of the season.

With that said, this draft looks deep and I would look to acquire another pick later in the 1st Round if possible.

Wow you might be right about this kid. He's fast, can shoot, good handles, good on ball defender. The kicker is he looks highly-skilled around the basket. Has the Euro-step

Tyrell Terry looks like a Seth Curry 2.0. Ridiculous shooting potential but many flaws in his game. Prospects like this go #20-#40 usually.

Watch on YouTube

Personally not something we need but if he drops and we have an early 2nd then sure lets take him.

[PlayerUp]

The thing with Deni for me it's that it doesn't seem that he'll be a primary creator on a very good team.
A 2nd creator? Now, that's more likely.
Primary creators are much harder to find, that's why I'd really, really try to find one with a high pick, even in a weaker draft.

This is the weak point of this 2020 draft. There is only 1 clear potential primary creator in this draft. That's Anthony Edwards.

[cjbulls]

We're now 66 pages into this draft thread and literally nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

There is no clear pick at #4 whereas opposed to other drafts, we could have already narrowed down to 3 to 6 prospects already. In this case, we like about 20 prospects.

I love when there is such certainty for posters about who the Bulls ABSOLUTELY CANNOT take. We have at least one poster for every top 10 player.

This draft is just a mess.

[bad knees]

I prefer Kira Lewis Jr. over Tyrell Terry.

Tyrell Terry is actually 6'1.5 and 19.9 years old.
Kira Lewis Jr is 6'2.5 and 19.4 years old.

Kira Lewis Jr looks like the better player at the moment and blew up at the end of the season.

With that said, this draft looks deep and I would look to acquire another pick later in the 1st Round if possible.

Wow you might be right about this kid. He's fast, can shoot, good handles, good on ball defender. The kicker is he looks highly-skilled around the basket. Has the Euro-step

Tyrell Terry looks like a Seth Curry 2.0. Ridiculous shooting potential but many flaws in his game. Prospects like this go #20-#40 usually.

Watch on YouTube

Personally not something we need but if he drops and we have an early 2nd then sure lets take him.

Having spent some time studying Lewis and Terry, I am now even more confused about how players are ranked and what the Bulls should do at 4. It seems like all of the PG prospects have one or two big plusses and one or more deficiencies that they will need to improve, and that the only difference between Ball, Hayes and Hali - who are projected for the top 10 - and Lewis and Terry - who are projected 10-20 - is a few inches of height and wingspan.

Here are my crib notes as I think about the crop of PGs:
Ball: plus attributes - passing and age; holes - shooting, defense
Hayes: plus attributes - overall skillset and age; hole - are the skills enough to overcome his average athleticism
Hali: plus attributes - plug and play 3nD; hole - can't create on his own and not likely to develop into a lead guard
Lewis: plus attributes - speed and age; holes - frame and can he develop as a shooter/passer
Terry: plus attributes - shooting, bbiq; holes - frame and can he develop as a passer

I will say that I am quite impressed with both Lewis and Terry. All the points made about Lewis are true, and I think that Terry might be Curry-like, plus he has the best defensive stats of all the college PGs even though he is Trae Young size. He's hard-nosed on defense, is a leader (led his MN HS to three state titles) and reportedly "set a record" on a BBIQ test administered by several teams.

Maybe trade down with NYK for 8, 27 and next year's Mavs pick? Take Vassell at 8. Then trade Lauri to PHX for 10, and trade 10 and 44 to Boston for 14, 26 and 30? Take Lewis at 14. Use 26, 27 and 30 to draft Lauri replacements - PFs who can contribute without being an offensive focus. I dunno. Don't mean to sidetrack the discussion by introducing trades, but I am starting to think that the best plan would be to trade down - it's just hard because, as others have noted, there are not a lot of teams with multiple picks.

[d boy gentleman]

I'm aboard the Killian Hayes train at 4...

[wonderboy2]

It would be a major waste if the bulls draft Hayes. He will be an easy cover at the next level. No burst, turnover prone, inconsistent outside shot. Don’t see him being able to hang with the elite point guards in the league. I see homeless Deangelo Russel.

[Chi town]

Why not Kira Lewis over Hayes and Hali?

[Jvaughn]

Why not Kira Lewis over Hayes and Hali?

I'm a big fan of Kira but he has some gaps that keep him as late lottery mid first tier. His size (160lbs) is an issue for him at the college level and will be even more magnified at the pro level. It hurts him on defense, trying to defend PnR, and his issues shying away from contact at the whole are probably due to this as well. He also can sometimes be turnover prone as well as shot happy, which create issues as a primary ball handler. If we were to trade down, I'd be fine with him though, as he has a lot of De'Aaron Fox in his game.

[Grodoboldo]

The thing with Deni for me it's that it doesn't seem that he'll be a primary creator on a very good team.
A 2nd creator? Now, that's more likely.
Primary creators are much harder to find, that's why I'd really, really try to find one with a high pick, even in a weaker draft.

This is the weak point of this 2020 draft. There is only 1 clear potential primary creator in this draft. That's Anthony Edwards.

Theoretically, Ball and Hayes should be primary creators. Also Hali, but he might not be able to create for himself.
They could be creators you don't like or believe in, but that is their main position.

[MrSparkle]

Bulls unrelated (kind of), but trade ideas where both top picks are traded:

MIN #1 & JJ to ATL for #6, Reddish, Huerter, TPE

- ATL gets hometown Edwards, finalizes their starting line-up: Trae-Edwards-Hunter-Collins-Capella

- MIN keeps the ball in Russell's hands, adds wing-depth and drafts Okoro, Vassell, or Onkongwu who all fit that roster better than Edwards

GSW #2, Poole, Looney for DET #7, Sekou, Rose, Kennard

- Fills out GS's depth chart: Kennard came around this season; groomed as a backup for ACL Klay. Sekou has a defensive potential. GSW takes BPA at #7. Hali, Okoro, Vassell, Deni, Bey, Nesmith, Okongwu - any of these guys potentially fit GSW better than LaMelo.

- DET takes LaMelo as they start a major rebuild. Maybe Sekou's potential (super raw) and Kennard's production are too much for Detroit to give up, but they certainly haven't proven to be building blocks.

I don't think that GSW finds a Bulls #4 offer appealing given the lack of separation between 4-10 prospects.

I can see CHI just standing pat with #4 and taking the BPA. If a "tier 1" is established, and Wiseman, Hayes, LaMelo are it (not saying they are, but if they are in the scout's opinions), I imagine AK rolls the dice on the remaining guy instead of trading up or down. It's a tough spot to trade out of because there's a flat-talent gap in the top-10.

[JohnnyTapwater]

My conundrum is wanting Deni @ 4

...but thinking it would be better to get 2 of Nesmish, Vassell, Kira, Hampton, Ramsey, Jalen Smith or Pokusevski by trading back with NY or Boston...

[Grodoboldo]

My conundrum is wanting Deni @ 4

...but thinking it would be better to get 2 of Nesmish, Vassell, Kira, Hampton, Ramsey, Jalen Smith or Pokusevski by trading back with NY or Boston...

Same here. I would add Williams and Maledon to that list. But other than GSW, I don't see anyone else being able to trade down.

[bad knees]

Bulls unrelated (kind of), but trade ideas where both top picks are traded:

MIN #1 & JJ to ATL for #6, Reddish, Huerter, TPE

- ATL gets hometown Edwards, finalizes their starting line-up: Trae-Edwards-Hunter-Collins-Capella

- MIN keeps the ball in Russell's hands, adds wing-depth and drafts Okoro, Vassell, or Onkongwu who all fit that roster better than Edwards

GSW #2, Poole, Looney for DET #7, Sekou, Rose, Kennard

- Fills out GS's depth chart: Kennard came around this season; groomed as a backup for ACL Klay. Sekou has a defensive potential. GSW takes BPA at #7. Hali, Okoro, Vassell, Deni, Bey, Nesmith, Okongwu - any of these guys potentially fit GSW better than LaMelo.

- DET takes LaMelo as they start a major rebuild. Maybe Sekou's potential (super raw) and Kennard's production are too much for Detroit to give up, but they certainly haven't proven to be building blocks.

I don't think that GSW finds a Bulls #4 offer appealing given the lack of separation between 4-10 prospects.

I can see CHI just standing pat with #4 and taking the BPA. If a "tier 1" is established, and Wiseman, Hayes, LaMelo are it (not saying they are, but if they are in the scout's opinions), I imagine AK rolls the dice on the remaining guy instead of trading up or down. It's a tough spot to trade out of because there's a flat-talent gap in the top-10.

If Tier 1 is Wiseman, Hayes and LaMelo, I think the Bulls happily take Edwards at 4.

The only way I can see the Bulls trading back from 4 is if LaMelo were to fall to them. He's got the sizzle that the Knicks, for example, would want. Knicks have 8 and future picks plus 27 this year to trade. The other way for the Bulls to get a lottery pick is to trade Lauri. He's a perfect fit for PHX, who sit at 10. Doing that trade opens up the possibility of a trade with Boston, who has 14, 26 and 30. Trading Lauri also avoids overpaying him, which is our current path - I'm sorry but I'm down on him, and am not interested in creating an inefficient offense to maximize his counting numbers.

[Benedict Miller]

The thing with Deni for me it's that it doesn't seem that he'll be a primary creator on a very good team.
A 2nd creator? Now, that's more likely.
Primary creators are much harder to find, that's why I'd really, really try to find one with a high pick, even in a weaker draft.

This is the weak point of this 2020 draft. There ym only 1 clear potential primary creator in this draft. That's Anthony Edwards.

Ball clearly has creative playmaking skills

[Dominator83]

I've been trying to tell ya'll... Kira is a star.

This is why people say the best players could be drafted later in the draft. I agree Kira looks great but value wise you cannot take him at #4. Ideally if we can trade down and get 2 1st Rd Picks similar to what the Pelicans did getting the #10 and #17, that may end up being a better route to go at maximizing this drafts talent.

I agree on the try and trade down part. But if no trade partners, I hate this thought logic. I don't care if he ranked 20th. If you think he's gonna be the best player out of this draft, you take him at #4. Mocks be damned.

This thought process of "I can't take this guy because he's ranked too low for our spot" is why 14 GMs missed out on Giannis.

As far as a trade down, do the Knicks have anything to offer us in a 4 for 8 swap? Im sure someone has already thought of this in the previous 65 pages, but 4 and 44 for 8 and 27 is something I would find pretty intriguing

[Dominator83]

Also Bol Bol hasn't proven anything yet.

Bol Bol was acquired by paying $ to pick up another pick. That's all it took. Great move, great upside. Meanwhile Gar/Pax never once bought a pick using straight up $ in 16 drafts total. Pretty pathetic. They did however sell picks for $.

Not to mention , they gave away 2nd round picks as throw-ins like candy on Halloween.

AK doesn't have his own 2nd because Gar/Pax gave it away so that Washington doesn't save us from ourselves overpaying Sato. I think they actually have 2 picks in that deal. Speaking of Washington, they also got a courtesy 2nd rounder from us for having the privilege of taking Ottos albatross contract off their hands.

AK loves using 2nd rounders. Too bad we owe for God knows how long. The stink of Gar/Pax will continue for a while.

[Dresden]

We're now 66 pages into this draft thread and literally nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

There is no clear pick at #4 whereas opposed to other drafts, we could have already narrowed down to 3 to 6 prospects already. In this case, we like about 20 prospects.

I love when there is such certainty for posters about who the Bulls ABSOLUTELY CANNOT take. We have at least one poster for every top 10 player.

This draft is just a mess.

Oh, I think we're down to 3-6 prospects- Deni, Hali, Hayes, Toppin, LaMelo. I guess you could throw Wiseman in there too. But there's pretty widespread agreement it will be one of those, esp. those first 3.

[PlayerUp]

Also Bol Bol hasn't proven anything yet.

Bol Bol was acquired by paying $ to pick up another pick. That's all it took. Great move, great upside. Meanwhile Gar/Pax never once bought a pick using straight up $ in 16 drafts total. Pretty pathetic. They did however sell picks for $.

Not to mention , they gave away 2nd round picks as throw-ins like candy on Halloween.

AK doesn't have his own 2nd because Gar/Pax gave it away so that Washington doesn't save us from ourselves overpaying Sato. I think they actually have 2 picks in that deal. Speaking of Washington, they also got a courtesy 2nd rounder from us for having the privilege of taking Ottos albatross contract off their hands.

AK loves using 2nd rounders. Too bad we owe for God knows how long. The stink of Gar/Pax will continue for a while.

Yes 2 2nd Rd Picks essentially for Sato. One was protected which they traded for $ and then in the Sato trade the protection was removed. Now we're looking to likely dump Sato and get rid of him this season as he was a major disappointment.

Gar/Pax were completely out of ideas and had no clue how to rebuild this team. With all that said, it could have been much worse under Gar/Pax. At least AK has something to work with.

[PlayerUp]

Ball clearly has creative playmaking skills

He said shot creator, not playmaker. Yes Ball has star playmaking skills upside and I suppose Hayes does as well. In terms of a clear potential #1 in this draft offensively, you have Anthony Edwards. That's about it.