DarkXaero wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Looks like you're only looking to troll here, because you quote my posts, but then ignore what actually answers your questions, and then you go off on a tangent. Warriors are the last team to do so, and that was only last season...
If you don't think we can accomplish that with KD, Kyrie, and Beal on the team, that's fine, you're free to believe that. Klay is the ultimate off ball star, but Beal is the superior scorer. There are maybe only a handful of guys that can average 30 in this league on above average efficiency. Beal is one of them. Again I didn't say that Beal would average 25 here but he can certainly get close to that. But feel free to ignore that part as well.
It doesn't matter what you or others say, and it doesn't matter whether we get Beal or not; his fit here is completely fine. He's a 27 year old elite scorer who has played plus defense in his career previously, and he knows how to play off ball. No contender has gotten worse in recent memory by adding legitimate stars to their existing all star core. No amount of you flaming my posts or insulting my intelligence is gonna change that.
Ok bro. You ignore my points and then accuse me of "trolling" instead of actually making a cogent argument
I just explained how most of these 3 team deals are not beneficial. The Ws are the lone exception because Klay is an elite off ball player & defender.
That's the only way it works. I would love to add Klay Thompson to KD & Kyrie. In fact, I would trade Levert and all other assets.
But when you add a player like Beal. It doesn't work as well. Love/Bosh became glorified spot up shooters.
Beal may be a better scorer. We don't need another scorer. Kyrie/KD are both elite scorers. No team needs 3 guys that can put up 25 ppg. Its a waste of money and assets to do that.
LOL you keep saying "close" to 25 PPG is doable when no one has ever done it. Is Klay's 22 PPG in 2017 really "close" to 25 PPG. 3 points is a lot over the course of a year. Especially considering a big reason Klay got there is because KD got injured for a long portion of the season. With a healthy KD he didn't get those numbers the nest 2 years.
In either case, Beal is not going to do something no one has ever done.
Beal has never been a great defender. If we are going to add a "third star" it would be someone who could play elite defense and play off ball. Beal will never be close to an elite defender. He can be below average at best.
I address everything you say, no matter how nonsensical it is, and I'm quite frankly tired of it. Don't make up bs by throwing in fancy terms to disguise what you're really doing.
Love was never that good of a player, and with Lebron & Kyrie gone, he still can't average 20 PPG. Bosh was a very good player in Toronto, but never an elite level scorer, which is fine as he was a PF. Bosh adjusted extremely well next to two high usage guys in Lebron & Wade, and still gave them close to 20 a game with high level defense and stretch big ability. So that big 3 absolutely worked, and no one has said otherwise. What you do have to explain to me is which big 3 in recent memory actually failed, because as far as I can see, they all won championships. Whether its the Celtics with KG, Pierce, and Ray Allen, or Miami Heatles or the Warriors (with or without KD). People had to sacrifice their numbers, but they achieved the end goal of winning championships. I personally wouldn't care if Beal averages 25 or 20 as a "glorified Jordan Clarkson", as long as we win a championship.
For the last time, last season, Klay averaged 21.7 PPG next to KD (26 PPG), and Steph Curry (27.3 PPG). That actually comes out to an average of 25 PPG for the top 3 scorers on the team. But go ahead, keep ignoring that. Again, Klay is an elite off ball player, but Beal is the more talented scorer, and can actually lead a unit (bench guys for example) by himself. Beal just finished 2nd to only James Harden in scoring. Klay has never averaged 25 a game in his life.
Beal has been an above average defender in his career so saying that he can only be "below average at best" is false. Is Beal going to be an elite defender? No. But evidence exists that he has been a solid defender for most of his NBA career, and its only this season where he had a dramatic drop on that end. And that coincides with previously explained factors, and there's no reason to believe that he can't get back to being a good defender with decreased workload, and more motivation (contending for a title as opposed to playing on a surefire lotto team).
Fancy BS terms???
Sorry you can't understand basic English bro.
Love was never that good of a player? Complete nonsense. He puts up just as good stats as Beal on a better Wolves team before getting traded.
In face, he made All NBA twice before getting traded, something Beal has never done.
He also made 3 All Star teams, compared to 2 for Beal. His final year he was putting up 26/13/4 on better efficiency that Beal lol.
Also Love's skills have diminished now so its a pretty dumb argument to compare him now to the player he was in Minnesota.
Bosh was good but did not come close to replicating his numbers in Toronto and basically played like a spot up shooter/role player. Miami would have been better served with high level role players.
There are plenty of Big 3s that did not work also. Kidd/Carter/Jefferson on our own team.
Celtics Big 3, had KG who was primarily a defensive player who even won DPOY. Something Beal is NOT.
As far as the 25 PPG argument, you're now completely changing your argument cause you know I'm right. 25 PPG average over 3 players?
You were originally trying to say Beal would average 25 PPG by himself or "close to it." An absurd claim which we both know is not true.
Klay could definitely average 25 PPG if he needed to be a high volume scorer. He just hasn't had to do that because hes far more valuable doing what he does. His efficiency is leagues and bounds better than Beal for a reason.
I don't know if Beal is an "above average" defender at some point in his career. He certainly is a terrible one now which is what matters. Certainly not the type of one that Klay or KG were.
