Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[MrDollarBills]

I just don't think they're going to want to spend that much on a backup center.

And Jordan will keep starting while KD & Kyrie are here.

33 is not even that old. Jordan looked good last year.

Allen isn't a back up center, he's a starter. and one with a higher ceiling and upside than Jordan who is in his 30s and nearing the end of the ride.

What Jordan did prior to the shut down is irrelevant. He is going to be 33 years old next season, 33 years old is the precipice of player decline in the NBA. What happens when Jordan is 34 or 35? Are you still starting him?

Bro I would rather have Allen start too.

But KD/Kyrie are set on Jordan starting. It is what it is.

Were still paying him 10 mill at 34 and 35. Unless he falls off a cliff, he will be starting with KD & Kyrie.

Then KD and Kyrie aren't serious about winning a title. That's what that says to me.

I doubt there is a GM in the league that would take Jordan over Allen at this point.

[MrDollarBills]

I just don't think they're going to want to spend that much on a backup center.

And Jordan will keep starting while KD & Kyrie are here.

33 is not even that old. Jordan looked good last year.

Allen isn't a back up center, he's a starter. and one with a higher ceiling and upside than Jordan who is in his 30s and nearing the end of the ride.

What Jordan did prior to the shut down is irrelevant. He is going to be 33 years old next season, 33 years old is the precipice of player decline in the NBA. What happens when Jordan is 34 or 35? Are you still starting him?

According to some BK fans sure. Better half of league know Allen's true colors. You setting high expectations on a kid, you know he won't be able to start on any top ten team not named Celtics. Only reason he would is because Danny spend foolishly.

And DeAndre Jordan would????

[GTR11]

Allen isn't a back up center, he's a starter. and one with a higher ceiling and upside than Jordan who is in his 30s and nearing the end of the ride.

What Jordan did prior to the shut down is irrelevant. He is going to be 33 years old next season, 33 years old is the precipice of player decline in the NBA. What happens when Jordan is 34 or 35? Are you still starting him?

According to some BK fans sure. Better half of league know Allen's true colors. You setting high expectations on a kid, you know he won't be able to start on any top ten team not named Celtics. Only reason he would is because Danny spend foolishly.

And DeAndre Jordan would????

No, but DJ allows us to groom Nic ( who most likely has higher upside ) while having asset in Allen . As. I've been saying, can't see Marks making any moves next year unless Beal thing will come through.

[MrDollarBills]

According to some BK fans sure. Better half of league know Allen's true colors. You setting high expectations on a kid, you know he won't be able to start on any top ten team not named Celtics. Only reason he would is because Danny spend foolishly.

And DeAndre Jordan would????

No, but DJ allows us to groom Nic ( who most likely has higher upside ) while having asset in Allen . As. I've been saying, can't see Marks making any moves next year unless Beal thing will come through.

The jury is out on Nic. I like him, i can see his upside but I think he's highly overrated right now on this board.

If there is a can't miss trade, then yes, Allen is the asset you deal, but if not, I see no reason why the Nets should be hitching their wagon to DeAndre Jordan.

[Prokorov]

I think Marks learned from the Spurs about the concept of “switchability” and how valuable that is especially in the playoffs. Players that have the size, length, and ability to guard multiple positions.

Other than Kyrie (which he didn’t have a choice),
Marks has avoided committing long term money to undersized players. D Lo, Dinwiddie, LeVert, Harris, Prince, Rodi, Musa, Nwaba, TLC are all players with length and at least the potential to be switchable defenders.

I’m not sure if this obvious, but the NBA is extremely pick and roll heavy. The purpose of setting picks and screens is to create mismatches which the offense can then exploit to generate high quality looks.

Overwhelming theme among championship teams. At least 3-4 SWITCHABLE VERSATILE DEFENDERS:

Raps - Kawhi, Siakam, Danny Green, Ibaka
Warriors - Klay, Igoudala. Draymond, Barnes/KD
Cavs - Bron, JR, Shumpert, Tristan
Spurs - Kawhi, Danny Green, Diaw, Ginobli, Duncan
Heat - Bron, Wade, Bosh, Battier, Ray Allen
Mavs - Kidd, Matrix, DeShaun, Tyson
Lakers - Kobe, Ariza/Artest, Odom, Pau
Celtics - KG, Pierce, Tony Allen, Ray
Pistons - RIP, Prince, Sheed, Ben

This season’s contenders:
Clips - Kawhi, PG, Morris, Montrez, Harrell
Lakers - Lebron, AD, KCP, Danny Green
Heat - Butler, Bam, Iguodala, Crowder
Raps - OG, Siakam, Ibaka
Celtics - Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Theis

Notice the pattern? With mostly all SWITCHABLE VERSATILE defenders, the smart teams can neutralize the advantage gained by running PnR or off ball screens, forcing the opponent to take lower percentage shots. Do you see any championship teams with a bunch of Kyrie and Beal’s running around?

Anytime someone mentions we should trade for Beal, Holiday, McCollumn and all the other undersized guards you’re wasting your time and showing how poor your understanding of the game is. Since we already have Kyrie, Marks will never commit big money to an undersized guard who even at his best can’t guard multiple positions.

Switching is awesome but it isnt just about size, its about ability.

if you are switching someone who cant guard a wing onto someone who cant guard a big then it doesnt matter that you switched. Levert, Prince, and to an extent harris have shown they cant guard their own position, let alone one they are switched on to.

id rather switch with a 6'3" bulldog like jrue and give up size then switch some scrub defender and have them be taller

[Prokorov]

You are not getting Jrue without giving up at LEAST levert and allen. and thats probably not close to enough. Levert isnt some blue chip assets. many teams may view him as a neutral asset.

What value does he have to a bad team? he is not good enough to lead a team to wins. he is not bad enough that you get a top 5 pick. he is not young enough to invest in some big ceiling.

What value does he have for a good team? he has not shown an ability to be productive when not the 1st option or 1b. he has not shown the ability to play with other #1 options. he has not shown the ability to play off ball. you cant rely on him to stay healthy

His best fit is a a bad team that isnt quite high lotto territory. he gives the fans falso hopes while you reboot and you can blame health and patience while you lose games.

for someone like Beal, Jrue, Lavine, or any big names like that it will take a MINIMUM of Levert/Allen/#19/2022 1st

For once we agree.

I don't know why they keep saying we can get Holiday for just Levert. Complete delusion.

I don't think it's delusional that one of LeVert or Dinwiddie with salary filler, 2 1st round picks and Claxton and/or Rodi is that unfathomable for Jrue.

no its not, but you are just swapping allen for dinwiddie which isnt too different value wise and is far more than just levert

[Prokorov]

For once we agree.

I don't know why they keep saying we can get Holiday for just Levert. Complete delusion.

I don't think it's delusional that one of LeVert or Dinwiddie with salary filler, 2 1st round picks and Claxton and/or Rodi is that unfathomable for Jrue.

I don't understand why people even want a 30 year old 6'3 Jrue Holiday when we already have Kyrie, Spencer and Levert.

What the team needs is a catch and shoot player or a wing defender to compliment the others not another point guard.

Jrue played SG/SF all season. not PG. and excelled at it. he is one of the 5 or 6 best defenders in the league and sis a solid 3 point shooter, especially catch and shoot form the corner (43%)

[drchaos]

Let's say for the sake of argument that Musa, 2020 first, 2021 second, and either Caris or Spencer gets us Jrue.

Choosing between Caris and Spencer is not as easy as picking the more talented player.

LeVert's contract is a known quantity.

Paying more to Dinwiddie could mean that we give up the luxury of keeping both DJ and Allen at center.

It could also mean that we are forced to give up additional assets to unload Prince.

While it might come as a surprise Spencer could just decide to switch teams.

Recently he did ask the internet to pick his next team.

Depending on where we sit at the trade deadline perhaps Joe Harris goes instead.

I am glad we have Marks to figure this out because I am not sure myself.

Thoughts?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't think it's delusional that one of LeVert or Dinwiddie with salary filler, 2 1st round picks and Claxton and/or Rodi is that unfathomable for Jrue.

I don't understand why people even want a 30 year old 6'3 Jrue Holiday when we already have Kyrie, Spencer and Levert.

What the team needs is a catch and shoot player or a wing defender to compliment the others not another point guard.

Jrue played SG/SF all season. not PG. and excelled at it. he is one of the 5 or 6 best defenders in the league and sis a solid 3 point shooter, especially catch and shoot form the corner (43%)

You guys are overrating the **** out of Jrue. He is not one of the 5 or 6 defenders in the league. Not even close. He won't even make an all defensive team.

The Pelicans were one of the worst defensive teams in the entire NBA. He routinely got torched in the bubble.

He is never going to be the type of guy we can put on elite wing players like LeBron/Kawhi/Butler/Tatum/Giannis, the guys we might see in the playoffs. As of now we have no one to guard them except for KD returning from a torn achilles.

[MrDollarBills]

Let's say for the sake of argument that Musa, 2020 first, 2021 second, and either Caris or Spencer gets us Jrue.

Choosing between Caris and Spencer is not as easy as picking the more talented player.

LeVert's contract is a known quantity.

Paying more to Dinwiddie could mean that we give up the luxury of keeping both DJ and Allen at center.

It could also mean that we are forced to give up additional assets to unload Prince.

While it might come as a surprise Spencer could just decide to switch teams.

Recently he did ask the internet to pick his next team.

Depending on where we sit at the trade deadline perhaps Joe Harris goes instead.

I am glad we have Marks to figure this out because I am not sure myself.

Thoughts?

Joe Harris is not getting traded, especially after signing an extension.

[Prokorov]

Holiday at $26 million is not worth it. Yes he’s good at guarding players his size, but he’s too small to guard the Tatum, Siakam, Giannis, Kawhi, Luka, AD types that we will have to play to win the championship. For $26 million I need a knockdown shooter who is big enough to guard 1-4.

Holiday regularly locks down largers players. in fact he has locked down a few of the guys you mentioned on this list already. you dont make the all-nba team because you can defend 1 position or size.

id MUCH rather have a 20/7 all-nba Defender at 26 million then a 19/4 player with subpar defense at 18 million.

[Prokorov]

I don't view Allen as a luxury, but a necessity. DeAndre Jordan is going to be 33 years old. That's not someone you're going to be relying on as a starting center for the next 2-3 seasons.

I don't see why the Nets wouldn't resign him. We can't be cheap right now we have a small window to win and we need all the talent we can get.

I just don't think they're going to want to spend that much on a backup center.

And Jordan will keep starting while KD & Kyrie are here.

33 is not even that old. Jordan looked good last year.

Allen isn't a back up center, he's a starter. and one with a higher ceiling and upside than Jordan who is in his 30s and nearing the end of the ride.

What Jordan did prior to the shut down is irrelevant. He is going to be 33 years old next season, 33 years old is the precipice of player decline in the NBA. What happens when Jordan is 34 or 35? Are you still starting him?

I'm starting jordan until he is 50 if he is the better player. right now, he seems like the better player although it is very very close and allen in an offseason may surpass him.

in either event, if you can move allen for a better player at G/W while still having someone as good/better then allen at C you do that 100 times out of 100.

[TheNetsFan]

Let's say for the sake of argument that Musa, 2020 first, 2021 second, and either Caris or Spencer gets us Jrue.

Choosing between Caris and Spencer is not as easy as picking the more talented player.

LeVert's contract is a known quantity.

Paying more to Dinwiddie could mean that we give up the luxury of keeping both DJ and Allen at center.

It could also mean that we are forced to give up additional assets to unload Prince.

While it might come as a surprise Spencer could just decide to switch teams.

Recently he did ask the internet to pick his next team.

Depending on where we sit at the trade deadline perhaps Joe Harris goes instead.

I am glad we have Marks to figure this out because I am not sure myself.

Thoughts?

You deal Spencer. He's going to be looking for a starting gig that he won't get as long as Kyrie is a Net.

The dilemma is not just a Dinwiddie vs Allen one. If you bring in a guy like Jrue, it then becomes a resigning Jrue vs Allen dilemma. Unless you bring in a cost controlled, inexpensive guard when dealing Dinwiddie, tough decisions need to be made.

[Prokorov]

I don't think it's delusional that one of LeVert or Dinwiddie with salary filler, 2 1st round picks and Claxton and/or Rodi is that unfathomable for Jrue.

I don't understand why people even want a 30 year old 6'3 Jrue Holiday when we already have Kyrie, Spencer and Levert.

What the team needs is a catch and shoot player or a wing defender to compliment the others not another point guard.

Agree 1000%. What we need is a wing defender.

This league is built around elite wing players. We don't have anyone like that on the roster. And I'm not holding by breath for Prince to get a clue.

Holiday IS a wing defender.

the guy has guarded everyone from pau;/westbrook/lillard/harden to PG/Kawhi/Lebron/Butler

[vincecarter4pres]

For once we agree.

I don't know why they keep saying we can get Holiday for just Levert. Complete delusion.

I don't think it's delusional that one of LeVert or Dinwiddie with salary filler, 2 1st round picks and Claxton and/or Rodi is that unfathomable for Jrue.

no its not, but you are just swapping allen for dinwiddie which isnt too different value wise and is far more than just levert

True, but I don’t believe I or anyone on here has said nothing but LeVert for Jrue is possible.

We’ve said plus picks and a prospect(s).

[Prokorov]

LOL I don't hate Jrue. I think hes going to cost to many assets and cost too much money for what he brings.

If I thought we could get Jrue for Allen & a pick, I would do it.

I think Smart at this point is a better defender than Jrue also. He's just better at guarding some of these bigger guys. Maybe its the fact that he has about 15 lbs on Jrue. IDK. He plays far bigger than he is. I simply don't see Jrue guarding the wing types that Smart does.

The weight surely helps him with certain players as the less weight would help Jrue with other players.

That's really it though, it's not that I take exception to you preferring Smart, for whatever reason you feel that way, it's that you and 7foot will literally say, "We can't have another 6'3 guy in the lineup!", then completely ignore that Smart is 6'2.

Other guys I forgot about that could be possible would be Porter and Oubre. I don't mind Porter either, but he's at best a neutral asset, mainly to teams looking to dump salary because he's an expiring. I'm fine with Porter, but not if Marks is giving up Allen, Dinwiddie, anyone of value really for him.

The deal I wouldn't mind seeing for Porter is Prince/Temple/Musa/Rodi/future protected 1st if necessary.

Smart is just a weird player that is able to guard guys taller than him cause of his strength/size. IDK what to tell you. I've literally seen him guard centers at times.

Ideally we have another 6'6-6'8 guy who can play defense. Thats I think our biggest need.

It was supposed to be Prince. Maybe by some miracle he can figure it out.

The same is true for Jrue. he gaurds 6'8"+ guys regularly.

[Prokorov]

I'm not trying "way too hard" to sound smart. This is the way I always write. I'm not going to dumb myself down because its makes you feel insecure.

If Kevin Love was a wasted empty stats player on the Wolves then what was Beal? Beal has been on the playoffs because of John Wall and because he played in the East. If you put Love w/ Wall in the East of course hes making the playoffs too.

22 pts is nout "roughly" averaging 25 ppg. Sorry thats not the same thing. Thats basically what Dinwddie averaged last year

Beal is not a good defender, no matter how hard you try to pretend he was. He is not anything like Klay, and thus your comparison is dubious. Sorry. Try better next time.

Okay guy, I believe you, you totally don't drop random vocabulary words when trying to be condescending to me

What kind of stupid ass damage control is that about Beal? Beal has played in 40 playoffs games in his career, averaging 23 PPG. His numbers actually went up in the playoffs compared to his regular season averages, that's the opposite of Kevin Love who actually shrunk on the big stage.

"22 pts is nout "roughly" averaging 25 ppg."-I'm not getting into another dumb semantics argument with you. Your lack of reading comprehension isn't my problem.

"Beal is not a good defender, no matter how hard you try to pretend he was. He is not anything like Klay, and thus your comparison is dubious."-I think I've been pretty factual and honest about Beal's defense in his NBA career so far. Not my problem that you can't do your research, and then come at me with your stupid opinions instead of well researched arguments.

"Sorry. Try better next time."- Something a troll would write.

Just my view without trying to insult anyone.
To say Love wouldn't avg his regular wolves numbers sound crazy to me. Wall is not LBJ and rely on his teammates far more often. Love would've get his numbers and maybe more with Wall as his teammate. In addition Love actually proved he was as good if not better than Bosh.
Beal has more impact on a game simply because it's a guard dominant league ever since MJ. No chip caliber team has bum guards unless of course you got Kawhi, LBJ or Greek. Question is, can star due guards win rings? Even Steph and Klay lost to LBJ led Cavs.
We in unique situation guys. We got two elite scorers that happened to be great shooters as well. Can Beal fit better and have more impact on a team than Caris, Din and Allen? I believe the answer is yes. He won't put up crazy numbers most likely, but he's overall impact will be huge. Also he's very durable and still young.

To be fair the record wiz made the playoffs one year with 41 wins playing a majority of east teams. Love missed the playoffs with 41 wins playing a majority of west teams in a stacked west.

I think it is fair to say if love was on the wiz teams with wall he would put up a similar 24/12 and they make the playoffs.

[Prokorov]

Not saying we should go after either but Jrue weighs 205 Smart is 220.

We not getting Smart who even brought it up. Jrue is not happening either. Caris showed up and put entire league on notice. Only dumb azz will trade him now.

You put the league on notice by dominating for 80 games. not 8. you put the league on notice by winning in the playoffs, not being swept.

Levert didnt put anyone on notice. he does what he typically does. has a hot couple weeks to knee jerk homer fans into thinking he is a star before going back to being an inefficient 1-way player who cant succeed off the ball next to a true #1

[Prokorov]

Allen isn't a back up center, he's a starter. and one with a higher ceiling and upside than Jordan who is in his 30s and nearing the end of the ride.

What Jordan did prior to the shut down is irrelevant. He is going to be 33 years old next season, 33 years old is the precipice of player decline in the NBA. What happens when Jordan is 34 or 35? Are you still starting him?

Bro I would rather have Allen start too.

But KD/Kyrie are set on Jordan starting. It is what it is.

Were still paying him 10 mill at 34 and 35. Unless he falls off a cliff, he will be starting with KD & Kyrie.

Then KD and Kyrie aren't serious about winning a title. That's what that says to me.

I doubt there is a GM in the league that would take Jordan over Allen at this point.

I think many would. especially ones in "win now" situations.

Jordan has his flaws, but he has shown he is a high IQ player who is plays big and is intimidated by no one. he is still an elite lob threat and has a vets bag of tricks defensively.

Allen is sitll getting there and he still has a bit to go. for anyone to say allen is clearly better than jordan right now is not being honest with themselves.

Sure Kd or kyrie may be pulling for jordan. sure maybe jordan and dinwiddie were vocal about his role. be he did outplay Allen on the floor pre-bubble to EARN that starting spot.

[Prokorov]

I don't understand why people even want a 30 year old 6'3 Jrue Holiday when we already have Kyrie, Spencer and Levert.

What the team needs is a catch and shoot player or a wing defender to compliment the others not another point guard.

Jrue played SG/SF all season. not PG. and excelled at it. he is one of the 5 or 6 best defenders in the league and sis a solid 3 point shooter, especially catch and shoot form the corner (43%)

You guys are overrating the **** out of Jrue. He is not one of the 5 or 6 defenders in the league. Not even close. He won't even make an all defensive team.

The Pelicans were one of the worst defensive teams in the entire NBA. He routinely got torched in the bubble.

He is never going to be the type of guy we can put on elite wing players like LeBron/Kawhi/Butler/Tatum/Giannis, the guys we might see in the playoffs. As of now we have no one to guard them except for KD returning from a torn achilles.

He has made a career shutting down the best players in the league. wings and guards. and yes, he is a top 5-6 defender in the league. he has ALREADY guarded the guys you mentioned on that list and done so at an elite level.

team defense is about TEAM. and you are only as strong as your weakest link. Jrue was outstanding on D this year. he should make the all-defensive team. you could also argue in 2018 he was DPOTY but the league typically is biased towards bigger players with that award