2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Bloomberg-Funded Group: Trump May Win Election Night, But Joe Biden Will Win Days Later Due to Mail-in Votes

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/01/bloomberg-funded-group-trump-may-win-election-night-but-joe-biden-will-win-days-later-due-to-mail-in-votes/

One winner on election night and a different one later would be a nightmare. This country will go bananas.

It's predicting a 408-103 electoral college landslide for Trump on election night with a 334-204 Biden victory weeks later. The **** would really hit the fan if it happens. I'm not buying it, just bringing it up as a topic of discussion.

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[Phish Tank]

You are correct. My point is that the far Left has come in the response to the far Right, no?

just want to issue one quick mea culpa for an inappropriate comment I posted earlier in the thread...

back to the question... till the Far Left's finds their equivalent of Paul Ryan, I don't think they'll ever coalesce the power that's needed to take over the entire party. Sure, things are starting to seep in slowly, but some of the bigger policy goals (i.e. GND, M4A, BDS, super high tax hikes, abolishing police, etc etc etc) will probably just remain lofty goals.

Republicans care about power first, so they have no issue going all the way right if it means keeping seats and whatnot. Till the Far Left learns about power, that won't change.

Paul Ryan is as middle of the road ultra establishment as it comes. So go ahead, find your Paul Ryan but you won't be far left anymore if the left wing version of him is your leader. God I hate Paul Ryan.

Not in that sense.

The tea party usurped Boehner, who was a down the road traditional republican. Ryan got support from the tea party as well as the freedom caucus and other far right groups. The house moved all the way right.

There’s no one with enough power on the left to push the entire party that direction


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Yeah well, he owns the property and the building on it that was burned to the ground but sold the business entity residing within his building.

Don't see the big deal in it.

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just want to issue one quick mea culpa for an inappropriate comment I posted earlier in the thread...

back to the question... till the Far Left's finds their equivalent of Paul Ryan, I don't think they'll ever coalesce the power that's needed to take over the entire party. Sure, things are starting to seep in slowly, but some of the bigger policy goals (i.e. GND, M4A, BDS, super high tax hikes, abolishing police, etc etc etc) will probably just remain lofty goals.

Republicans care about power first, so they have no issue going all the way right if it means keeping seats and whatnot. Till the Far Left learns about power, that won't change.

Paul Ryan is as middle of the road ultra establishment as it comes. So go ahead, find your Paul Ryan but you won't be far left anymore if the left wing version of him is your leader. God I hate Paul Ryan.

Not in that sense.

The tea party usurped Boehner, who was a down the road traditional republican. Ryan got support from the tea party as well as the freedom caucus and other far right groups. The house moved all the way right.

There’s no one with enough power on the left to push the entire party that direction


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The entire Republican was not pushed anywhere. The establishment Republicans destroyed the tea party movement from within. Mitch McConnell as much as I hate him is a master at political infighting.

You can call anything you want "far right" it doesn't make it so. What to you is an example of a far right policy?

[Stannis]

tbh, it's not crazy to say establishment democrats have failed black america for ages. All these issues we are seeing now, are not new really new issues. They've been happening for decades.

Anyways, the GOP has Tim Scott, and that former democratic rep who decided to not rerun and instead endorse Trump. They also have a black senator likely to beat an incumbent democrat in Michigan. Eventually, one of these guys will run for President. And I bet it's the next term.

GOP has a lot going for them as far as black votes. I don't think it will be 20% like some poll are showing, but I think it will be between 10-14%

Biden saying "you ain't black if you don't vote for me, Latins are more diverse than blacks" really was dumb and cost him votes. We can't pretend it didn't. That's naive.

Just to add, I still think the GOP is more racist though tbh. Them reaching out to blacks is more about desperation. I still don't see them nominating a black person with a more culturally black name or somebody with the name "Barack". At least not anytime soon.

does his name make Tim Scott any less black?

No. But I bet the GOP thinks it makes him more American.

[Stannis]

Markey defeats Kennedy. I guess the Pelosi endorsement did more harm than good lol.

Really happy to see this. Not sure I trust Kennedy yet. He has a pretty big net worth of 40+ million as such a young age. There's definitely going to be some conflict in interest there. And he just recently divested his trust fund oil investments (probably because he saw it was hurting his election).

This is a good win for progressives and the working class.

Congratulations to Markey

[Jeff Van Gully]

tbh, it's not crazy to say establishment democrats have failed black america for ages. All these issues we are seeing now, are not new really new issues. They've been happening for decades.

Anyways, the GOP has Tim Scott, and that former democratic rep who decided to not rerun and instead endorse Trump. They also have a black senator likely to beat an incumbent democrat in Michigan. Eventually, one of these guys will run for President. And I bet it's the next term.

GOP has a lot going for them as far as black votes. I don't think it will be 20% like some poll are showing, but I think it will be between 10-14%

Biden saying "you ain't black if you don't vote for me, Latins are more diverse than blacks" really was dumb and cost him votes. We can't pretend it didn't. That's naive.

as a south carolinian, i can tell you that tim scott's election has absolutely nothing to do with black votes.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Yeah well, he owns the property and the building on it that was burned to the ground but sold the business entity residing within his building.

Don't see the big deal in it.

fixed the spoiler for you.

you don't find it in the least bit disingenuous?

[Stannis]

Nancy Pelosi seen without mask inside San Francisco hair salon:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53994209
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-hair-salon/index.html

Pelosi really doesn't do herself any favors... Rich people and politicians are still citizens and should follow the rules like everyone else. She's not special

Can't wait till she retires.

[Jeff Van Gully]

so, to the surprise of no one, with everything going on... donald trump rejects the notion of systemic racism.

i got nothing, man.

[Stannis]

as a south carolinian, i can tell you that tim scott's election has absolutely nothing to do with black votes.

Thanks for the insight. Is he not liked among the black population in S. Carolina?

I know he was appointed to fill a senate seat at first.

Anyways, you don't think the GOP gets more black votes when they have guys like Tim Scott, Vernon Jones, and eventually John James?

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so, to the surprise of no one, with everything going on... donald trump rejects the notion of systemic racism.

i got nothing, man.

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I don't understand how anyone can spin that this isn't divisive and dismissive of a very large part of the American population.

Couple that with the misinformation that is disseminated about BLM in general from right wing sources, along with the President himself, and it looks even worse.

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You are correct. My point is that the far Left has come in the response to the far Right, no?

just want to issue one quick mea culpa for an inappropriate comment I posted earlier in the thread...

back to the question... till the Far Left's finds their equivalent of Paul Ryan, I don't think they'll ever coalesce the power that's needed to take over the entire party. Sure, things are starting to seep in slowly, but some of the bigger policy goals (i.e. GND, M4A, BDS, super high tax hikes, abolishing police, etc etc etc) will probably just remain lofty goals.

Republicans care about power first, so they have no issue going all the way right if it means keeping seats and whatnot. Till the Far Left learns about power, that won't change.

As long as a significant number of people who self-identify as left operate under the delusion that playing emotional blackmail with their vote is somehow going to gain them the power they have never had they will continue to relegate themselves to the fringes.

Every bloc has to negotiate by saying we want X, Y or Z if you want our support, but the Twitter version of the left has an absolutist streak that manifests as juvenile sadism which is not strategy. It is just another vapid variation of the nihilism that is so prevalent in America these days.

I was hopeful the Democrats could build a coalition that is fairly progressive, but now I realize how soft the support will be after this particular election. The fringes of the Democrat voting spectrum will be highly susceptible to fracturing to the right and the left. The Republicans will reboot with a cleaned up front man and seduce the modern version of an American "moderate" which is now a fairly conservative and right leaning.

What I see now is a third of Americans are down with fascist white supremacy. About a third are down with working long-term with the Democratic party. And the other third is a random mix of disaffected voters that can lean in either direction, but who are not particularly inclined to collaboration of any kind. Many of those future swing voters are also prone to single issue justifications for their choices.

I still think Trump is so bad the Democrats should win this time, but based on the lack of vision of the American public I predict the center cannot hold.

And in a country like this, Ockham's Razor says the easiest path for the fickle voter will be to turn right and permanently concede their rights to authoritarian rule sometime in the next 20 years. The death of older GOP voters will not be offset by younger more liberal voters if their alienation prevents them from supporting and working with people of a more moderate bent than themselves. Thats what can easily cede the advantage back to the right in the not too distant future.

It might not turn out that way, but I see the warning signs loud and clear. The republic is very weak now. It won't take much for America to completely fail as a democracy if the defense of democratic process and constitutational rights are not seen as the common ground between us. If they are not vigorously defended regardless of the perceived purity of the POV of your fellow voter, everyone will lose. After this election, there won't be that much time left to figure that out.

If you look at the history of Authoritarian and far right governments like Poland, Russia, Hungary, Brazil, Italy etc. there’s always a common denominator where the left wing parties weren’t united which paved the way for authoritarians to take power. In fact the two party system is probably the only reason a facist hasn’t been able to take power in America. After that it’s always the same move. Dismantling the courts, removing all checks and balances and putting political cronies in positions of power. Make no mistakes, once these steps are taken Democracy is no longer an option to get rid of an authoritarian.

People were flashing the warning signs in 2016. People who had lived under authoritarians. The US chose not to listen. Now the warning signs have already been blown through. Trump will do something blatantly illegal as using the Whitehouse for political purposes and no one bats an eye. He’s not even being subtle about it, he’s flaunting it and laughing at everyone while he does it, even his supporters.

You’d think with all this that the left would be united behind Biden. Just for one election, put petty differences aside. The Green Party should urge their voters to get behind Biden, Libertarians that supposedly love their freedoms (I don’t they would agree with turning the US into a theocracy) should urge their voters to get behind Biden. Remember this is a redistricting year. If you want to end gerrymandering, then vote blue all the way down the ticket, this is the last chance for the Supreme Court seats. Federal judges etc.

It’s like watching a slow moving train wreck I see all the signs which is why I don’t understand why some on the left insist on throwing numerous turds in the punch bowl. In fact they’re getting played. There is no “we can fix this” if Trump gets another 4 years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/russian-internet-trolls-hired-u-s-journalists-push-their-news-n1239000

“This looks like an attempt to target left-wing audiences on a range of issues, but the operation got taken down in its early stages and didn't score measurable impact,” Nimmo said. “The election wasn't the only focus, but to the extent that it was, it looks like the operation wanted to divide Democratic voters, the same way the IRA tried in 2016,” he said, referring to the Internet Research Agency.

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This is typical Trump. If the truth doesn't fit his "reality," he just makes it up.

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Markey defeats Kennedy. I guess the Pelosi endorsement did more harm than good lol.

Really happy to see this. Not sure I trust Kennedy yet. He has a pretty big net worth of 40+ million as such a young age. There's definitely going to be some conflict in interest there. And he just recently divested his trust fund oil investments (probably because he saw it was hurting his election).

This is a good win for progressives and the working class.

Congratulations to Markey

This "could" actually work out well.

There is talk that if Biden wins, he might tap Elizabeth Warren to be Treasury Secretary. If so, that would leave her Senate seat open -- and Kennedy could be appointed to the seat. Then, both Kennedy and Markey would both be senators. A win-win!

[Stannis]

Trump basically told a large portion of the US Population to shutup and dribble.

Even if he thinks BLM and the protestors are in the wrong, he's made no effort to speak with them has he? When they were outside the WH, he opted to take a bible photo instead.

Not Presidential material, imo.

He's waiting to get re-elected so he can take it a step further by telling BLM to shutup again, label them a terrorist/criminal group, and make protests illegal.

[Stannis]

Markey defeats Kennedy. I guess the Pelosi endorsement did more harm than good lol.

Really happy to see this. Not sure I trust Kennedy yet. He has a pretty big net worth of 40+ million as such a young age. There's definitely going to be some conflict in interest there. And he just recently divested his trust fund oil investments (probably because he saw it was hurting his election).

This is a good win for progressives and the working class.

Congratulations to Markey

This "could" actually work out well.

There is talk that if Biden wins, he might tap Elizabeth Warren to be Treasury Secretary. If so, that would leave her Senate seat open -- and Kennedy could be appointed to the seat. Then, both Kennedy and Markey would both be senators. A win-win!

I was thinking of that as well actually.

There was rumors that they didn't want Warren as VP because she has an important Senate seat. But Kennedy seems like a good candidate. At least good enough to keep it from turning to the GOP

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Yeah well, he owns the property and the building on it that was burned to the ground but sold the business entity residing within his building.

Don't see the big deal in it.

fixed the spoiler for you.

you don't find it in the least bit disingenuous?

How do you know Trump even knew this information. He might have just been told here is the owner of the building and said here is the owner of the store. Understandable. Could easily just be piss poor information transference by his team. He's the President, not a researcher.

Like all Trump related coverage they pick some small detail and blow it up. Ok, but people are immune to it by now. Zero **** given. Too many wads have been blown on BS.

The guy who was originally contacted is anti Trump the new guy is pro. This is just a little minor bickering, whatever.