2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[PlayerUp]

How the roster looks next season after the trade deadline will be very interesting to see.

2014-15 season AK made as GM once fully taking control

Moved McGee bad contract + pick for 0 gain
Moved Afflalo for Barton + Pick
Moved Mosgov for 2 Future 1sts
McDermott Trade

6 trades total.

Meanwhile Gar/Pax list of transactions during the 2019-20 season was ............. absolutely nothing.

[The Box Office]

What do you guys think of Isaac Okoro?

Sometimes he reminds me of Jimmy Butler at Marquette. He's a good defender but his offense needs to improve. He has that dog mentality that Jimmy has on defense and I believe that with hard work his offense could improve. He's an intriguing prospect who might end up being a very good player.

Okoro is good. I have him 6th on my board.

Pros:
- Great defensively
- Great man to man defense
- Hustler
- Awesome motor/worker
- Great finisher/can get those dunks
- Strong

Cons:
- Pretty bad off the dribble. Looks like he doesn't have anything.
- Terrible shooter even when wide open
- Bad free throw shooter
- High turnover guy
- Doesn't get a lot of steals even though he has active hands. That's weird.
- His passing ability is whatever. Not a factor.

I don't see Jimmy Butler. Or to anyone. He's Isaac Okoro. Who needs years of work on his jump shot and his awareness to his teammates on offense when he's passing the rock. I wouldn't count on him to lead the offense. He should be a long term starter though just based on defense skills. I would welcome him to the Bulls if we can't get Vassell.

[Andi Obst]

I really hope the draft won't be pushed back any further. It's about time we can stop talking about this class and move on.

[Jvaughn]

What do you guys think of Isaac Okoro?

Sometimes he reminds me of Jimmy Butler at Marquette. He's a good defender but his offense needs to improve. He has that dog mentality that Jimmy has on defense and I believe that with hard work his offense could improve. He's an intriguing prospect who might end up being a very good player.

I'm with the group who has Vassell higher than Okorro. Vassell already has the 3&D thing going for him, while you hope Okorro eventually evolves into that. But he could just as easily become MKG. The hard working, mainly defensive wing that turns into a great overall player like Jimmy is very rare. They usually end up being a Hollis-Jefferson or a Stanley Johnson. Give me the guy who can already shoot the 3, with the hopes that his off the dribble game will improve.

[cjbulls]

What do you guys think of Isaac Okoro?

Sometimes he reminds me of Jimmy Butler at Marquette. He's a good defender but his offense needs to improve. He has that dog mentality that Jimmy has on defense and I believe that with hard work his offense could improve. He's an intriguing prospect who might end up being a very good player.

Okoro is good. I have him 6th on my board.



Pros:
- Great defensively
- Great man to man defense
- Hustler
- Awesome motor/worker
- Great finisher/can get those dunks
- Strong

Cons:
- Pretty bad off the dribble. Looks like he doesn't have anything.
- Terrible shooter even when wide open
- Bad free throw shooter
- High turnover guy
- Doesn't get a lot of steals even though he has active hands. That's weird.
- His passing ability is whatever. Not a factor.

I don't see Jimmy Butler. Or to anyone. He's Isaac Okoro. Who needs years of work on his jump shot and his awareness to his teammates on offense when he's passing the rock. I wouldn't count on him to lead the offense. He should be a long term starter though just based on defense skills. I would welcome him to the Bulls if we can't get Vassell.

So he’s a worse defemse but slightly better offense Thybulle? He went 20-something last year but played well this year. You’d be comfortable with that at #4?

[The Box Office]

I don't see Jimmy Butler. Or to anyone. He's Isaac Okoro. Who needs years of work on his jump shot and his awareness to his teammates on offense when he's passing the rock. I wouldn't count on him to lead the offense. He should be a long term starter though just based on defense skills. I would welcome him to the Bulls if we can't get Vassell.

So he’s a worse defemse but slightly better offense Thybulle? He went 20-something last year but played well this year. You’d be comfortable with that at #4?

There is a lost in translation. I want Tyrese Haliburton when we draft. No one else. I have Hali as the number one pick on my board. Number two is Devin Vassell.

As for the bolded, that sounds like your feelings on Okoro. I don't have any comparisons/future projections about him and all of the players in any draft. I really don't know what they will become and I don't care. I just care about the here and now, present day.

[sco]

If we can get another 1st round pick and take a guy like McDaniels on the back end, that would be great.

Alot of playoff teams could be desperate to make a power move to have better chances at winning in 2020-21. With a limited free agent market, you would think teams will make calls on Otto Porter, Thad Young, Zach Lavine, Wendell and Lauri. On on the Bulls Reddit page, a Dallas fan for example offered the #18 + #31 + Tim Hardaway + Delon for Otto Porter. Previously AK went this route in Denver gradually selling players for assets and I assume he'll go this route again which is why I expect half this current roster to be gone within 1 year.

I would do that trade.

I would do that too, although I'm not a Hardaway fan (despite loving UofM). I think Otto would be a great fit on Dallas. That said, I would let them keep #18 and Delon if they'd include Brunson instead.

[Grodoboldo]

I want to buy a late first round pick to take Tyler Bey out of Colorado. Awesome defender not a bad shooter. Then take Paul Reed in the second round. Reed is another excellent defender.

Yeah, Reed would be outstanding value in the second round.

[MrFortune3]

What do you guys think of Isaac Okoro?

Sometimes he reminds me of Jimmy Butler at Marquette. He's a good defender but his offense needs to improve. He has that dog mentality that Jimmy has on defense and I believe that with hard work his offense could improve. He's an intriguing prospect who might end up being a very good player.

Okoro is a guy who splits the vote if you will. Some love him, some don't.
I love his game and potential. His offensive game needs development but he's a guy you take a shot on and have a plan to develop him.

[holv03]

What do you guys think of Isaac Okoro?

Sometimes he reminds me of Jimmy Butler at Marquette. He's a good defender but his offense needs to improve. He has that dog mentality that Jimmy has on defense and I believe that with hard work his offense could improve. He's an intriguing prospect who might end up being a very good player.

Okoro is a guy who splits the vote if you will. Some love him, some don't.
I love his game and potential. His offensive game needs development but he's a guy you take a shot on and have a plan to develop him.

Butler had similar question marks on offense and look how he turned out. I think if Okoro has the same work ethic as Jimmy he could become a star.

[R3AL1TY]

This draft has the vibes that the lower projected players will be better than most of the players projected in the top 5. Kira, Vassell, and Haliburton aren't top 5 talent, but they're looking better than the guys up there IMO.

[Bulldog23]

Hayes is the guy for me...but I do want the Bulls to get a few more draft picks in this draft..I would like to see some high risk players selfishly so I can see them play at Windy City team.

[MrFortune3]

What do you guys think of Isaac Okoro?

Sometimes he reminds me of Jimmy Butler at Marquette. He's a good defender but his offense needs to improve. He has that dog mentality that Jimmy has on defense and I believe that with hard work his offense could improve. He's an intriguing prospect who might end up being a very good player.

Okoro is a guy who splits the vote if you will. Some love him, some don't.
I love his game and potential. His offensive game needs development but he's a guy you take a shot on and have a plan to develop him.

Butler had similar question marks on offense and look how he turned out. I think if Okoro has the same work ethic as Jimmy he could become a star.

I'm not worried about his offensive game that much. Similar to how I was not worried about Cam Reddish last year.
He's a hard worker and only a frosh. He'll be fine.

[kulaz3000]

What do you guys think of Isaac Okoro?

Sometimes he reminds me of Jimmy Butler at Marquette. He's a good defender but his offense needs to improve. He has that dog mentality that Jimmy has on defense and I believe that with hard work his offense could improve. He's an intriguing prospect who might end up being a very good player.

Okoro is a guy who splits the vote if you will. Some love him, some don't.
I love his game and potential. His offensive game needs development but he's a guy you take a shot on and have a plan to develop him.

Butler had similar question marks on offense and look how he turned out. I think if Okoro has the same work ethic as Jimmy he could become a star.

If many of the players in this league had Jimmy's work ethic they'd become stars.

Hell, I can only imagine how Tyrus would have turned out, if he had even 50% of Jimmy's work ethic.

[R3AL1TY]

Okoro is a guy who splits the vote if you will. Some love him, some don't.
I love his game and potential. His offensive game needs development but he's a guy you take a shot on and have a plan to develop him.

Butler had similar question marks on offense and look how he turned out. I think if Okoro has the same work ethic as Jimmy he could become a star.

If many of the players in this league had Jimmy's work ethic they'd become stars.

Hell, I can only imagine how Tyrus would have turned out, if he had even 50% of Jimmy's work ethic.

I agree. Work ethic is an attribute not to overlook. We've seen other guys outside of Jimmy like Siakam, Adebayo, and even Christian Wood get better overtime due to hard work.

[cjbulls]

Butler had similar question marks on offense and look how he turned out. I think if Okoro has the same work ethic as Jimmy he could become a star.

If many of the players in this league had Jimmy's work ethic they'd become stars.

Hell, I can only imagine how Tyrus would have turned out, if he had even 50% of Jimmy's work ethic.

I agree. Work ethic is an attribute not to overlook. We've seen other guys outside of Jimmy like Siakam, Adebayo, and even Christian Wood get better overtime due to hard work.

That or they actually have room to grow. My guess is some of these guys could work as hard as they want but their skills are naturally limited.

[kodo]

I'm in on Deni. I don't know why exactly but he gives me some Lakers Lamar Odom vibes. His handle, passing, and feel for the game just really stand out and I think it will translate. He should have enough speed and athleticism to play a decent amount of 3 initially and then will probably shift to more of a 4 later in his career.

Agreed Deni can be a 4. I don't know why Deni keeps getting typecast as a 3, he's probably a 4 in the NBA. 6' 9" is too big for a wing these days. Hell Adebayo is 6' 9".

Reminds me of all the criticisms of Michael Porter Jr as too slow for SF...he plays PF and he's generally more athletic than most of his defenders.

[MrFortune3]

I'm in on Deni. I don't know why exactly but he gives me some Lakers Lamar Odom vibes. His handle, passing, and feel for the game just really stand out and I think it will translate. He should have enough speed and athleticism to play a decent amount of 3 initially and then will probably shift to more of a 4 later in his career.

Agreed Deni can be a 4. I don't know why Deni keeps getting typecast as a 3, he's probably a 4 in the NBA. 6' 9" is too big for a wing these days. Hell Adebayo is 6' 9".

Reminds me of all the criticisms of Michael Porter Jr as too slow for SF...he plays PF and he's generally more athletic than most of his defenders.

You are what you can defend and he also plays as a 3.

[Bullflip]

Deni is not a good shooter. His free throw % is a big red flag for me. I can’t think of anyone who became a really good shooter who had a bad ft %. On top of that, he isn’t a good defender

[Jcool0]

Deni is not a good shooter. His free throw % is a big red flag for me. I can’t think of anyone who became a really good shooter who had a bad ft %. On top of that, he isn’t a good defender

Why do you think he is a bad defender?