2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[Oscirus]

LOL @ this current candace vs Cardi B feud. Was candace even relevant enough to score an invite to the rnc? Why does anybody pay attention to her?

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[HarthorneWingo]

I would right to the comments section in order to get a pulse on how divided this country is.

Pretty stupid tweet from Biden.

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I'm not sure ol'Joe is the right man for the job but I'm sure he'll do his best to be up for the occasion.

Nolte: Don’t Forget Joe Biden Exposed Himself to Female Secret Service Agents

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/02/nolte-dont-forget-joe-biden-exposed-himself-female-secret-service-agents/

It’s not okay that Harvey Weinstein did it. It’s not okay that Charlie Rose did it. But when we learned in 2014 that then-Vice President Joe Biden exposed his naked body to women in the Secret Service, the media didn’t care. And the media still don’t care because Orange Man Bad.

In his New York Times best-seller, The First Family Detail, award-winning investigative reporter Ronald Kessler revealed that “Biden has a habit of swimming in his pool nude. Female Secret Service agents find that offensive.”

Hey. This is what they signed up for.

One way to solve it is to simply not put female agents on "Pool Duty"

Joe like to hang loose and free.

[HarthorneWingo]

LOL @ this current candace vs Cardi B feud. Was candace even relevant enough to score an invite to the rnc? Why does anybody pay attention to her?

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She's one of the chosen tokens.

[HarthorneWingo]

I would right to the comments section in order to get a pulse on how divided this country is.

Pretty stupid tweet from Biden.

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You want 4 more years of the current administration in office?

That’s all this vote comes down to.

Agreed. I'm voting for Biden and I'm doing it in-person. And I urge everyone to do the same.

That said, just because I want Trump out of office, doesn't mean that I like Biden. Moreover, I think he is running a shytty campaign (e.g. leaning into the "moderate republicans") which puts us at risk to losing to Trump.

No one here thinks that Biden is a shoe-in in this election. This feels like Hillary all over again to me. I believe Joe needs to make a hard turn to the left in order to generate enthusiasm to vote for Joe and not just against Trump. Playing not to lose is always a recipe for disaster.

Trust me, we want the same thing.

[HarthorneWingo]

I would right to the comments section in order to get a pulse on how divided this country is.

Pretty stupid tweet from Biden.

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure ol'Joe is the right man for the job but I'm sure he'll do his best to be up for the occasion.

Nolte: Don’t Forget Joe Biden Exposed Himself to Female Secret Service Agents

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/02/nolte-dont-forget-joe-biden-exposed-himself-female-secret-service-agents/

It’s not okay that Harvey Weinstein did it. It’s not okay that Charlie Rose did it. But when we learned in 2014 that then-Vice President Joe Biden exposed his naked body to women in the Secret Service, the media didn’t care. And the media still don’t care because Orange Man Bad.

In his New York Times best-seller, The First Family Detail, award-winning investigative reporter Ronald Kessler revealed that “Biden has a habit of swimming in his pool nude. Female Secret Service agents find that offensive.”

His swimming in the pool nude while his guards are around is different then exposing himself. But I will admit, cute attempt to get us to click on your breitbart clickbait.

Breitbart is a horror show. If you go onto and read its front page you be sent into a 6th dimension where you are put into a state of suspended animation.

I will say this though, at least the article was accurate. BallSac's description of what it means, not so accurate.

[Stannis]

LOL @ this current candace vs Cardi B feud. Was candace even relevant enough to score an invite to the rnc? Why does anybody pay attention to her?

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Not sure Cardi B is doing the DNC any favors this election.

But anyways, Candace Owens is annoying. Her and Shaprio getting at Cardi for being a bad influence on children? By their logic, why is Kanye all the sudden innocent?

It's just music.

I live close to the Panhandle and visit often. The white trash Trump supporters bump and dance to Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne on the beaches. It's pretty funny to watch.

[BallSacBounce]

I would right to the comments section in order to get a pulse on how divided this country is.

Pretty stupid tweet from Biden.

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure ol'Joe is the right man for the job but I'm sure he'll do his best to be up for the occasion.

Nolte: Don’t Forget Joe Biden Exposed Himself to Female Secret Service Agents

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/02/nolte-dont-forget-joe-biden-exposed-himself-female-secret-service-agents/

It’s not okay that Harvey Weinstein did it. It’s not okay that Charlie Rose did it. But when we learned in 2014 that then-Vice President Joe Biden exposed his naked body to women in the Secret Service, the media didn’t care. And the media still don’t care because Orange Man Bad.

In his New York Times best-seller, The First Family Detail, award-winning investigative reporter Ronald Kessler revealed that “Biden has a habit of swimming in his pool nude. Female Secret Service agents find that offensive.”

His swimming in the pool nude while his guards are around is different then exposing himself. But I will admit, cute attempt to get us to click on your breitbart clickbait.

Well I included the swimming pool part in the dang post you didn't have to click on anything at all. I just included it as the source.

[BallSacBounce]

I would right to the comments section in order to get a pulse on how divided this country is.

Pretty stupid tweet from Biden.

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure ol'Joe is the right man for the job but I'm sure he'll do his best to be up for the occasion.

Nolte: Don’t Forget Joe Biden Exposed Himself to Female Secret Service Agents

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/02/nolte-dont-forget-joe-biden-exposed-himself-female-secret-service-agents/

It’s not okay that Harvey Weinstein did it. It’s not okay that Charlie Rose did it. But when we learned in 2014 that then-Vice President Joe Biden exposed his naked body to women in the Secret Service, the media didn’t care. And the media still don’t care because Orange Man Bad.

In his New York Times best-seller, The First Family Detail, award-winning investigative reporter Ronald Kessler revealed that “Biden has a habit of swimming in his pool nude. Female Secret Service agents find that offensive.”

Hey. This is what they signed up for.

One way to solve it is to simply not put female agents on "Pool Duty"

Joe like to hang loose and free.

I'm pretty ok with it actually. It's his pool. It's the way he likes to live. They are supposed to be professionals.

I think it's hilarious imagining old Joe swinging free late night with the Secret Service guarding the family jewels Charlie's Angels style.

That kind of treatment is what every man thinks they deserve.

[BallSacBounce]

I'm not sure ol'Joe is the right man for the job but I'm sure he'll do his best to be up for the occasion.

Nolte: Don’t Forget Joe Biden Exposed Himself to Female Secret Service Agents

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/02/nolte-dont-forget-joe-biden-exposed-himself-female-secret-service-agents/

His swimming in the pool nude while his guards are around is different then exposing himself. But I will admit, cute attempt to get us to click on your breitbart clickbait.

Breitbart is a horror show. If you go onto and read its front page you be sent into a 6th dimension where you are put into a state of suspended animation.

I will say this though, at least the article was accurate. BallSac's description of what it means, not so accurate.

What the hell are you guys talking about I didn't describe anything I excerpted the article and headline.

Jeez, you guys are tough customers.

[BallSacBounce]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mail-in-voting-republicans-swing-states_n_5f52ba3ac5b62b3add407b24



This is what I’m talking about. Republicans were busy helping fix the mail-in ballots issues when Trump tweeted this (which came with a link from Twitter “to learn more information about mail-in ballots” warning:

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You see what Trump is doing here?

Wingo that article is intentionally conflating absentee ballots with mail in voting. While absentee ballots are mailed that is not what is meant by the term mail in voting. We can't hope to come to any understanding if we don't define things correctly.

Absentee ballots are requested individually by the people who wish to receive them. No problem there.

The mail in voting that Democrats want is to do a mass mailing to everyone on the Voter rolls which has been demonstrated to be ripe for abuse. Tens of thousands in each state will be returned as undeliverable, people who moved or are dead, how are these handled?

The Postal Union endorsed Biden, why should a Trump Voter even trust them?
They have thrown out political mail before.

If someone requests it, they know when it hasn't arrived or been counted. This willy nilly **** will be the end times for our republic. I might even be willing to let us go full Banana Republic for the lulz except I don't look good in khaki baby.

You seem to be mistaken with a lot of the assumptions that you’re making. I recommend putting down the Breitbart and Gatewaypundit because you’re getting bad information.

Absentee balloting and mail in voting are the same thing and effectively have the same probability of fraud which is by all accounts is very little. And even Trump’s own voter fraud commission couldn’t find evidence of fraud. There’s a pandemic going on and people should at least be provided the option of voting by mail without any excuses. You don’t want people getting sick if they don’t need to. And there’s no party bias to mail in voting either.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-does-vote-by-mail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

In making their request, voters have to provide their name and address. After receipt of the request, local election authorities send a ballot to the voter at the home address and provides one security envelope for the ballot that keeps the vote choice private and another envelope into which the sealed ballot is placed. The voter signs the outside of the second envelope to certify he or she is a registered voter.

Upon receipt of the mailed ballot, local election authorities check the name of the voter to make sure the person is registered to vote and is casting a ballot from the address registered with the election authority. After certifying those facts, they remove the sealed ballot from the outside envelope containing the voter signature so that the voter’s preferences remain confidential. On Election Day, states count the mail ballots and add the results to the votes of those individuals who cast their ballots in person.

A major study of California, Utah, and Washington state conducted by Daniel Thompson, Jesse Yoder, Jennifer Wu, and Andrew Hall of Stanford University for elections between 1996 and 2018 concluded there was no partisan advantage to either party based on voting by mail.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, there is no evidence that mail balloting increases electoral fraud as there are several anti-fraud protections built into the process designed to make it difficult to impersonate voters or steal ballots. These provisions include requiring people requesting absentee ballots to be registered voters, mailing ballots to the official address listed on voter registration rolls, requiring voter signatures on the external envelope, and having election authorities make sure the ballot came from the address of an actual voter. If a ballot appears questionable, some states use a signature matching technique to verify the signature of the voter.

Hey, wanted to get back to you again, found the survey that says Dems are twice as likely as Reps to vote by mail.

And again everyone is fine with absentee ballots what we don't want is Gavin Newsome style mailed ballots to every single registered Voter.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/18/election-2020-biden-voters-twice-likely-vote-mail-survey-finds/3394795001/

Biden voters twice as likely than Trump supporters to vote by mail in November, survey finds.

Thirty-seven percent of registered voters said they are likely to vote by mail in the November election, by receiving a mailed ballot and either mailing it back or returning it in person, according to a new survey released Tuesday by the Democracy Fund + UCLA Nationscape project. 

Among them, 48% of voters who plan to vote for Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden said they are likely to vote by mail, according to the survey. That's more than twice the 23% of voters backing President Donald Trump who said they are likely to vote by mail. 

So you can see why Dems are pushing this and why Reps are resisting it even without taking into consideration anything else.

[Bulls69]

Young voters aren't coming out for Biden.

You reap what you sow.

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I get it you're a Bernie supporter my 24 year old son is one but he understands how important this election is the Dem's twice rejected Bernie we need to come together.

[Stannis]

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[HarthorneWingo]

Young voters aren't coming out for Biden.

You reap what you sow.

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I get it you're a Bernie supporter my 24 year old son is one but he understands how important this election is the Dem's twice rejected Bernie we need to come together.

Oh you mean the DNC rejected Bernie twice. Let’s not go down that road.

I’m glad your son is voting for Biden. Tell me, what does he think of Biden. Are all of his friends voting for Biden? What do they think of him?

[HarthorneWingo]

The fight against Republicans voter suppression tactics as explained by Greg Palest. He also discusses ways to protect your mail-in ballot if you choose to vote that way.

I strongly urge you and your family and friends who want Trump out of office vote in-person, if at all possible. There may be early voting polling stations in your state which should mean much less foot traffic and ensuring social distancing.

Greg Palast is an investigative journalist and NY Times bestselling author. His work has been featured on BBC, the Guardian, Democracy Now, The Real News and more. His work on unveiling election fraud is world renowned and his new book is "How Trump Stole 2020."

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[Polk377]

LOL @ this current candace vs Cardi B feud. Was candace even relevant enough to score an invite to the rnc? Why does anybody pay attention to her?

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Not sure Cardi B is doing the DNC any favors this election.

But anyways, Candace Owens is annoying. Her and Shaprio getting at Cardi for being a bad influence on children? By their logic, why is Kanye all the sudden innocent?

It's just music.

I live close to the Panhandle and visit often. The white trash Trump supporters bump and dance to Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne on the beaches. It's pretty funny to watch.

Shapiro and Owens are actually a breathe of fresh air to the otherwise stuffy older conservatives. They are the new faces of the party and are going to be around a long time.

Just music huh? Music influences lives and culture. It can be inspirational or it can be denigrating. That song is complete verbal porn. To say that it has a positive or neutral effect on this social media driven generation is stupid.

Kanye is "innocent" because his music falls more towards the inspirational spectrum. His songs are more about empowerment and his faith. These days his music is all faith based. You are really going to compare WAP to Stronger, Jesus Walks, Roses, Gold Digger?

[Oscirus]

LOL @ this current candace vs Cardi B feud. Was candace even relevant enough to score an invite to the rnc? Why does anybody pay attention to her?

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Not sure Cardi B is doing the DNC any favors this election.

But anyways, Candace Owens is annoying. Her and Shaprio getting at Cardi for being a bad influence on children? By their logic, why is Kanye all the sudden innocent?

It's just music.

I live close to the Panhandle and visit often. The white trash Trump supporters bump and dance to Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne on the beaches. It's pretty funny to watch.

Shapiro and Owens are actually a breathe of fresh air to the otherwise stuffy older conservatives. They are the new faces of the party and are going to be around a long time.

Just music huh? Music influences lives and culture. It can be inspirational or it can be denigrating. That song is complete verbal porn. To say that it has a positive or neutral effect on this social media driven generation is stupid.

Kanye is "innocent" because his music falls more towards the inspirational spectrum. His songs are more about empowerment and his faith. These days his music is all faith based. You are really going to compare WAP to Stronger, Jesus Walks, Roses, Gold Digger?

Candace owens breath of fresh air? She's literally pulling the same schtick that Stacey dash pulled 12 years ago, she's just a smarter version of it ( though I do find it hilarious that the leader of blexit failed to score a rnc invite twice, especially when the second time was pretty much grabbing all black republicans on deck). Shapiro is absolutely hilarious. Bullies college kids in debates, but runs from debates with more prepared people.

And did you just cite a song called "gold digger" as an empowerment song?

[BallSacBounce]

LOL @ this current candace vs Cardi B feud. Was candace even relevant enough to score an invite to the rnc? Why does anybody pay attention to her?

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Not sure Cardi B is doing the DNC any favors this election.

But anyways, Candace Owens is annoying. Her and Shaprio getting at Cardi for being a bad influence on children? By their logic, why is Kanye all the sudden innocent?

It's just music.

I live close to the Panhandle and visit often. The white trash Trump supporters bump and dance to Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne on the beaches. It's pretty funny to watch.

Shapiro and Owens are actually a breathe of fresh air to the otherwise stuffy older conservatives. They are the new faces of the party and are going to be around a long time.

Just music huh? Music influences lives and culture. It can be inspirational or it can be denigrating. That song is complete verbal porn. To say that it has a positive or neutral effect on this social media driven generation is stupid.

Kanye is "innocent" because his music falls more towards the inspirational spectrum. His songs are more about empowerment and his faith. These days his music is all faith based. You are really going to compare WAP to Stronger, Jesus Walks, Roses, Gold Digger?

If music doesn't influence then you're saying nothing influences anything we are completely autonomous beings. Of course it does. Hundreds of billions are spent every year on influencing people's behavior through words, images and sounds.

[Stannis]

Biden trouble with the Latin vote?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article245495835.html

[Pointgod]

Wingo that article is intentionally conflating absentee ballots with mail in voting. While absentee ballots are mailed that is not what is meant by the term mail in voting. We can't hope to come to any understanding if we don't define things correctly.

Absentee ballots are requested individually by the people who wish to receive them. No problem there.

The mail in voting that Democrats want is to do a mass mailing to everyone on the Voter rolls which has been demonstrated to be ripe for abuse. Tens of thousands in each state will be returned as undeliverable, people who moved or are dead, how are these handled?

The Postal Union endorsed Biden, why should a Trump Voter even trust them?
They have thrown out political mail before.

If someone requests it, they know when it hasn't arrived or been counted. This willy nilly **** will be the end times for our republic. I might even be willing to let us go full Banana Republic for the lulz except I don't look good in khaki baby.

You seem to be mistaken with a lot of the assumptions that you’re making. I recommend putting down the Breitbart and Gatewaypundit because you’re getting bad information.

Absentee balloting and mail in voting are the same thing and effectively have the same probability of fraud which is by all accounts is very little. And even Trump’s own voter fraud commission couldn’t find evidence of fraud. There’s a pandemic going on and people should at least be provided the option of voting by mail without any excuses. You don’t want people getting sick if they don’t need to. And there’s no party bias to mail in voting either.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-does-vote-by-mail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

In making their request, voters have to provide their name and address. After receipt of the request, local election authorities send a ballot to the voter at the home address and provides one security envelope for the ballot that keeps the vote choice private and another envelope into which the sealed ballot is placed. The voter signs the outside of the second envelope to certify he or she is a registered voter.

Upon receipt of the mailed ballot, local election authorities check the name of the voter to make sure the person is registered to vote and is casting a ballot from the address registered with the election authority. After certifying those facts, they remove the sealed ballot from the outside envelope containing the voter signature so that the voter’s preferences remain confidential. On Election Day, states count the mail ballots and add the results to the votes of those individuals who cast their ballots in person.

A major study of California, Utah, and Washington state conducted by Daniel Thompson, Jesse Yoder, Jennifer Wu, and Andrew Hall of Stanford University for elections between 1996 and 2018 concluded there was no partisan advantage to either party based on voting by mail.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, there is no evidence that mail balloting increases electoral fraud as there are several anti-fraud protections built into the process designed to make it difficult to impersonate voters or steal ballots. These provisions include requiring people requesting absentee ballots to be registered voters, mailing ballots to the official address listed on voter registration rolls, requiring voter signatures on the external envelope, and having election authorities make sure the ballot came from the address of an actual voter. If a ballot appears questionable, some states use a signature matching technique to verify the signature of the voter.

Hey, wanted to get back to you again, found the survey that says Dems are twice as likely as Reps to vote by mail.

And again everyone is fine with absentee ballots what we don't want is Gavin Newsome style mailed ballots to every single registered Voter.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/18/election-2020-biden-voters-twice-likely-vote-mail-survey-finds/3394795001/

Biden voters twice as likely than Trump supporters to vote by mail in November, survey finds.

Thirty-seven percent of registered voters said they are likely to vote by mail in the November election, by receiving a mailed ballot and either mailing it back or returning it in person, according to a new survey released Tuesday by the Democracy Fund + UCLA Nationscape project. 

Among them, 48% of voters who plan to vote for Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden said they are likely to vote by mail, according to the survey. That's more than twice the 23% of voters backing President Donald Trump who said they are likely to vote by mail. 

So you can see why Dems are pushing this and why Reps are resisting it even without taking into consideration anything else.

Again you’re confusing absentee ballots and mail in voting. Hypothetically if you if everyone in a state asked for an absentee ballot it would be the same as a universal mail in ballot. The mechanism to guard against fraud and verify people is the same. If you’re sending ballots to dead people well, great news, dead people can’t vote, it’s still a federal crime to vote twice and election officials still have to verify any ballots sent back are legitimate.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/8/18/21373478/absentee-ballot-vote-by-mail-voting

The short version is that there’s no firm distinction between absentee voting and voting by mail. There’s a colloquial distinction between the two, but not a legal one. And there’s no reason to think “voting by mail,” insofar as it informally refers to something different from “absentee voting,” is prone to fraud or other problems.

There are already a number of states that hold only mail in ballots and there’s very little evidence of fraud in those states. There’s no reason that you couldn’t expand this nationwide other than the fact that Republicans do their best to suppress the vote.

“Voting by mail” is typically used to refer to voting in the five states — Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, and Utah — where all elections are conducted entirely by mail, and in the states of California, Nebraska, and North Dakota, where counties have the option to choose to conduct elections entirely by mail.

This year, California is going a step further due to Covid-19 and mailing ballots to every eligible voter, though some polling places will remain open. Nebraska will be mailing absentee ballot applications to all voters, in addition to its normal all-mail elections in certain rural counties.

A few states that are not traditionally vote-by-mail states are sending out ballots to all registered and/or eligible voters this year due to the unique circumstances of the pandemic. These states are New Jersey, Vermont, and Nevada, plus the District of Columbia.

“Absentee voting,” by contrast, tends to be used to refer to voting by mail in states or counties where the practice is not already universal. In most states where voting by mail isn’t universal, absentee voting is available for any reason — that is, voters do not need to provide an excuse for why they aren’t voting in person — at least in the 2020 election, due to the pandemic.

In both absentee voting and “vote by mail,” insofar as they’re at all different, voter fraud is rare. One reason for this is the steps states take to make fraud all but impossible. For example, back in 2019, the Pacific Standard’s Spenser Mestel explained Oregon’s process for verifying ballots in its all-mail system:

In Oregon, both the absentee envelope and ballot have a barcode unique to each voter, and in the larger counties, like Marion, a machine scans for any discrepancies between the two, or any duplicate barcodes. Then, a team of election workers trained in forensic handwriting analyzes the ballot signatures to verify the identification of the voter, who has two weeks to prove her identity should the signature be contested.

During this process, “everything that is happening is on camera at all times,” says Tayleranne Gillespie, the communications director for the Oregon Secretary of State. “No one’s ever by themselves counting ballots. It’s always done in bipartisan teams.”

It’s also important to note that, contrary to popular belief, absentee ballots don’t “only count” if an election is close. They are often the last ballots to be counted, so often blowout elections are “called” by news services before every absentee ballot is tallied up. But all votes are counted eventually. Ballots that might have eligibility problems (if, say, poll workers can’t confirm a voter is registered to vote) are sometimes classified as “provisional ballots,” which are counted after being investigated. But that’s a distinct issue from absentee ballots.

The reason that more Democrats are going to vote by mail is directly because Trump has been telling Republicans that mail in voting is fraudulent, then he tells people to vote twice. This is the same idiocy that we saw with coronavirus where Republicans didn’t take it seriously because their media sources told them it was a hoax. Mail in voting doesn’t advantage one party over the other, everyone should be given the option because we're in the middle of a pandemic and safety is a concern.

[Pointgod]

LOL @ this current candace vs Cardi B feud. Was candace even relevant enough to score an invite to the rnc? Why does anybody pay attention to her?

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Not sure Cardi B is doing the DNC any favors this election.

But anyways, Candace Owens is annoying. Her and Shaprio getting at Cardi for being a bad influence on children? By their logic, why is Kanye all the sudden innocent?

It's just music.

I live close to the Panhandle and visit often. The white trash Trump supporters bump and dance to Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne on the beaches. It's pretty funny to watch.

Shapiro and Owens are actually a breathe of fresh air to the otherwise stuffy older conservatives. They are the new faces of the party and are going to be around a long time.

Just music huh? Music influences lives and culture. It can be inspirational or it can be denigrating. That song is complete verbal porn. To say that it has a positive or neutral effect on this social media driven generation is stupid.

Kanye is "innocent" because his music falls more towards the inspirational spectrum. His songs are more about empowerment and his faith. These days his music is all faith based. You are really going to compare WAP to Stronger, Jesus Walks, Roses, Gold Digger?

You know nothing about Kanye’s music if you really believe this.