Which NBA Team can Leon dupe into acquiring King Julius

[nedleeds]

I’m not defending Julius Randall here but if we trade him we would need to acquire someone else who can bring 19 and 9 per game.

Why? Nothing changes if we do. Why not let the young players play and score. We are going to be one of the 3 worst rosters in the league with or without Randle. Why do we need to acquire some random chucker to take shots away from players on rookie deals that need to sink or swim? This is classic Knicks thinking. What happens if we don't bring in Tony Campell 2.0? Nothing. We lose regardless. But at least we determine if any of these 20,21,22 year olds can play.

Trade for more draft picks is what I would do.

Even the dumbest team isn't giving us positive value for Randle, we could possibly get a pick if we take on a worse deal.

Others have mentioned it, but just to get him off the roster and not piss his agent off by benching him

Randle for Batum, I'd happily do it straight up. Nicola can regale Frank with stories about how getting herpes impeded his NBA career. Trade works by throwing in Payton as well who needs to **** go. He's the worst point guard who actually played in the league, but maybe the Hornets are stupid enough to think he can play.

Randle for Exum and Larry Nance Jr. Randle is a bad but short contract. Nance is a mediocre contract for a thus far mediocre player. That being said he's had joke level coaching and at least tries hard. Exum makes way too much and is injured but might be worth a look at SG if he can stay healthy. Had elite defensive potential. Cavs have too many guards anyway.

Randle for James Johnsons Cold Body. The Wolves are already the worst defensive team in the league. KAT is the best 3 point shooting center in the league. It gives them a bowling ball roll man 4 who can rebound and piss his teammates off by thinking he's Magic Johnson. Actually I think he and KAT are BFFs so the Wolves plan of trade for KATs friends can continue while they go 10-72. Maybe they are dumb enough to give us Jared Vanderbilt to match salary.

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

[mpharris36]

I’m not defending Julius Randall here but if we trade him we would need to acquire someone else who can bring 19 and 9 per game.

Why? Nothing changes if we do. Why not let the young players play and score. We are going to be one of the 3 worst rosters in the league with or without Randle. Why do we need to acquire some random chucker to take shots away from players on rookie deals that need to sink or swim? This is classic Knicks thinking. What happens if we don't bring in Tony Campell 2.0? Nothing. We lose regardless. But at least we determine if any of these 20,21,22 year olds can play.

Trade for more draft picks is what I would do.

Even the dumbest team isn't giving us positive value for Randle, we could possibly get a pick if we take on a worse deal.

Others have mentioned it, but just to get him off the roster and not piss his agent off by benching him

Randle for Batum, I'd happily do it straight up. Nicola can regale Frank with stories about how getting herpes impeded his NBA career. Trade works by throwing in Payton as well who needs to **** go. He's the worst point guard who actually played in the league, but maybe the Hornets are stupid enough to think he can play.

Randle for Exum and Larry Nance Jr. Randle is a bad but short contract. Nance is a mediocre contract for a thus far mediocre player. That being said he's had joke level coaching and at least tries hard. Exum makes way too much and is injured but might be worth a look at SG if he can stay healthy. Had elite defensive potential. Cavs have too many guards anyway.

Randle for James Johnsons Cold Body. The Wolves are already the worst defensive team in the league. KAT is the best 3 point shooting center in the league. It gives them a bowling ball roll man 4 who can rebound and piss his teammates off by thinking he's Magic Johnson. Actually I think he and KAT are BFFs so the Wolves plan of trade for KATs friends can continue while they go 10-72. Maybe they are dumb enough to give us Jared Vanderbilt to match salary.

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

I couldn't agree more. I hate the argument that he is 19 and 9 and we have to replace that. You can replace raw number production in many ways. Offensive system/pace, player development (more usage for other players), and bringing in better fitting players. All these scenarios make more sense then just letting Randle get his because we obviously know that isn't conducive to winning basketball games. Which should be the goal...not putting up raw statistics.

[nedleeds]

I’m not defending Julius Randall here but if we trade him we would need to acquire someone else who can bring 19 and 9 per game.

Why? Nothing changes if we do. Why not let the young players play and score. We are going to be one of the 3 worst rosters in the league with or without Randle. Why do we need to acquire some random chucker to take shots away from players on rookie deals that need to sink or swim? This is classic Knicks thinking. What happens if we don't bring in Tony Campell 2.0? Nothing. We lose regardless. But at least we determine if any of these 20,21,22 year olds can play.

Trade for more draft picks is what I would do.

Even the dumbest team isn't giving us positive value for Randle, we could possibly get a pick if we take on a worse deal.

Others have mentioned it, but just to get him off the roster and not piss his agent off by benching him

Randle for Batum, I'd happily do it straight up. Nicola can regale Frank with stories about how getting herpes impeded his NBA career. Trade works by throwing in Payton as well who needs to **** go. He's the worst point guard who actually played in the league, but maybe the Hornets are stupid enough to think he can play.

Randle for Exum and Larry Nance Jr. Randle is a bad but short contract. Nance is a mediocre contract for a thus far mediocre player. That being said he's had joke level coaching and at least tries hard. Exum makes way too much and is injured but might be worth a look at SG if he can stay healthy. Had elite defensive potential. Cavs have too many guards anyway.

Randle for James Johnsons Cold Body. The Wolves are already the worst defensive team in the league. KAT is the best 3 point shooting center in the league. It gives them a bowling ball roll man 4 who can rebound and piss his teammates off by thinking he's Magic Johnson. Actually I think he and KAT are BFFs so the Wolves plan of trade for KATs friends can continue while they go 10-72. Maybe they are dumb enough to give us Jared Vanderbilt to match salary.

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

I couldn't agree more. I hate the argument that he is 19 and 9 and we have to replace that. You can replace raw number production in many ways. Offensive system/pace, player development (more usage for other players), and bringing in better fitting players. All these scenarios make more sense then just letting Randle get his because we obviously know that isn't conducive to winning basketball games. Which should be the goal...not putting up raw statistics.

Yeah, I mean Mitch getting 3-4 more dunks a game at his historic efficiency despite playing with nobody who can shoot "gets us half" of Randles points. Our draft pick will play, and RJ, Knox and Frank can all get more shots and if they don't develop then oh well but at least we figured it out on the floor.

[WargamesX]

I’m not defending Julius Randall here but if we trade him we would need to acquire someone else who can bring 19 and 9 per game.

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

The trade for Conley actually does make sense.

1) Conley went 1-13 in a playoff game 7 series that he missed the first two games of for personal reasons.

2) He never fit well with Mitchell because Mitchell continues to play more and more like a PG.

3) Conley got paid 32 Million this year by the Jazz to go 1-13 in a game 7 also did I mention he missed the game tying shot in that game. I know the Jazz aren’t looking forward to paying him 34 million next year. Conley is a good player that has not been playing good for the Jazz.

4) Randle is a lot cheaper 34 - 19 = 15 million less, plus if he works out they have the right to keep him for one more year

5) The rumor is draft considerations, because of the Stephen Rule the Jazz cannot trade their 2020 pick outright, they can swap it though and I think #23 for #27 makes sense if it saves you $15 mil. They also don’t even seem that enthused by this Draft. Before Perrin came to the Knicks and it’s media cone of silence he was on record saying that this years draft was flat outside of the first few picks.

6) very few teams can take on that 34 mil, let alone be willing to do it.

[nedleeds]

I’m not defending Julius Randall here but if we trade him we would need to acquire someone else who can bring 19 and 9 per game.

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

The trade for Conley actually does make sense.

1) Conley went 1-13 in a playoff game 7 series that he missed the first two games of for personal reasons.

He had a baby during a once in a century election year pandemic. How in the world are you or the Jazz holding that against him?

Even with a bad game 7 he shot 52% from 3 in the series in 5 games. Their other backup PG is Mudiay who can't shoot 52% in an empty gym. Conley shot 38% on the season from 3 despite getting off to a slow start. Mudiay can't shoot 38% into a bathtub from the toilet.

2) He never fit well with Mitchell because Mitchell continues to play more and more like a PG.

He fits fine because he can shoot. Where he didn't fit was the lob game with Gobert, but was starting to get it by year end.

3) Conley got paid 32 Million this year by the Jazz to go 1-13 in a game 7 also did I mention he missed the game tying shot in that game. I know the Jazz aren’t looking forward to paying him 34 million next year. Conley is a good player that has not been playing good for the Jazz.

There wouldn't have been a game seven if he hadn't shot a blistering 52% from 3 in the series. With a 5-1 A-to-TO ratio. Is he worth 34 million? No but they can't replace him even if they trade for turd Randle. They are currently at $117,859,175 with his option picked up but before re-signing Clarkson (and before their pick if they have it). The cap this year was $109,140,000. It's only going down if anywhere next year. So your "savings" does literally nothing except maybe save ownership a few bucks and piss off Mitchell.

So trading for Randle shaves off $14 million but it doesn't really let them go get a starting quality guard. They get an unplayable toilet clogging PF to stand next to their center who can't shoot outside of 1 foot.

4) Randle is a lot cheaper 34 - 19 = 15 million less, plus if he works out they have the right to keep him for one more year

Cat litter is cheaper also, it's about $10.00 for a bag and provides as much value in a playoff game 7 as Randle.

6) very few teams can take on that 34 mil, let alone be willing to do it.

This is true, I think it's the Knicks, Atlanta and another couple. But the Knicks have a 10 win roster with or without Randle. With a starting quality point guard we have a 20 win roster. We started the worst point guard in organized pro basketball in Elfrid Payton, not only is he awful but he's a truly awful fit with Mitch / RJ and Randle because he won't even try to shoot and when he did it was 5th grade girls level accuracy.

[thebuzzardman]

I’m not defending Julius Randall here but if we trade him we would need to acquire someone else who can bring 19 and 9 per game.

Why? Nothing changes if we do. Why not let the young players play and score. We are going to be one of the 3 worst rosters in the league with or without Randle. Why do we need to acquire some random chucker to take shots away from players on rookie deals that need to sink or swim? This is classic Knicks thinking. What happens if we don't bring in Tony Campell 2.0? Nothing. We lose regardless. But at least we determine if any of these 20,21,22 year olds can play.

Trade for more draft picks is what I would do.

Even the dumbest team isn't giving us positive value for Randle, we could possibly get a pick if we take on a worse deal.

Others have mentioned it, but just to get him off the roster and not piss his agent off by benching him

Randle for Batum, I'd happily do it straight up. Nicola can regale Frank with stories about how getting herpes impeded his NBA career. Trade works by throwing in Payton as well who needs to **** go. He's the worst point guard who actually played in the league, but maybe the Hornets are stupid enough to think he can play.

Randle for Exum and Larry Nance Jr. Randle is a bad but short contract. Nance is a mediocre contract for a thus far mediocre player. That being said he's had joke level coaching and at least tries hard. Exum makes way too much and is injured but might be worth a look at SG if he can stay healthy. Had elite defensive potential. Cavs have too many guards anyway.

Randle for James Johnsons Cold Body. The Wolves are already the worst defensive team in the league. KAT is the best 3 point shooting center in the league. It gives them a bowling ball roll man 4 who can rebound and piss his teammates off by thinking he's Magic Johnson. Actually I think he and KAT are BFFs so the Wolves plan of trade for KATs friends can continue while they go 10-72. Maybe they are dumb enough to give us Jared Vanderbilt to match salary.

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

I couldn't agree more. I hate the argument that he is 19 and 9 and we have to replace that. You can replace raw number production in many ways. Offensive system/pace, player development (more usage for other players), and bringing in better fitting players. All these scenarios make more sense then just letting Randle get his because we obviously know that isn't conducive to winning basketball games. Which should be the goal...not putting up raw statistics.

19\9, he'll be age 26 next playing year, and a 19 million expiring, or is it effectively 14 million, as he has 5 million player option?

Agreed it's a false narrative about needing to replace 19/9. Someone will score those points. The Knicks will kind of suck no matter what, with or w/o Randle

Anyway, he's not GREAT, but he's not awful.
Moving him will be about fit for both teams, in terms of what the team who takes him needs, in terms of some front court help and/or salary relief, and what they have to offer Knicks, maybe in terms of a wing who can shoot and/or a pick etc etc.

There could be a deal for Randle, or maybe not.
I wouldn't burn a single asset to try and get rid of him, as he's an expiring, in spite of the fact he crowds the paint and roster etc.
On the other hand, he won't fetch a massive return, but there MIGHT be scenarios where he brings something back, depending on circumstance

[mpharris36]

Why? Nothing changes if we do. Why not let the young players play and score. We are going to be one of the 3 worst rosters in the league with or without Randle. Why do we need to acquire some random chucker to take shots away from players on rookie deals that need to sink or swim? This is classic Knicks thinking. What happens if we don't bring in Tony Campell 2.0? Nothing. We lose regardless. But at least we determine if any of these 20,21,22 year olds can play.



Even the dumbest team isn't giving us positive value for Randle, we could possibly get a pick if we take on a worse deal.

Others have mentioned it, but just to get him off the roster and not piss his agent off by benching him

Randle for Batum, I'd happily do it straight up. Nicola can regale Frank with stories about how getting herpes impeded his NBA career. Trade works by throwing in Payton as well who needs to **** go. He's the worst point guard who actually played in the league, but maybe the Hornets are stupid enough to think he can play.

Randle for Exum and Larry Nance Jr. Randle is a bad but short contract. Nance is a mediocre contract for a thus far mediocre player. That being said he's had joke level coaching and at least tries hard. Exum makes way too much and is injured but might be worth a look at SG if he can stay healthy. Had elite defensive potential. Cavs have too many guards anyway.

Randle for James Johnsons Cold Body. The Wolves are already the worst defensive team in the league. KAT is the best 3 point shooting center in the league. It gives them a bowling ball roll man 4 who can rebound and piss his teammates off by thinking he's Magic Johnson. Actually I think he and KAT are BFFs so the Wolves plan of trade for KATs friends can continue while they go 10-72. Maybe they are dumb enough to give us Jared Vanderbilt to match salary.

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

I couldn't agree more. I hate the argument that he is 19 and 9 and we have to replace that. You can replace raw number production in many ways. Offensive system/pace, player development (more usage for other players), and bringing in better fitting players. All these scenarios make more sense then just letting Randle get his because we obviously know that isn't conducive to winning basketball games. Which should be the goal...not putting up raw statistics.

19\9, he'll be age 26 next playing year, and a 19 million expiring, or is it effectively 14 million, as he has 5 million player option?

Agreed it's a false narrative about needing to replace 19/9. Someone will score those points. The Knicks will kind of suck no matter what, with or w/o Randle

Anyway, he's not GREAT, but he's not awful.
Moving him will be about fit for both teams, in terms of what the team who takes him needs, in terms of some front court help and/or salary relief, and what they have to offer Knicks, maybe in terms of a wing who can shoot and/or a pick etc etc.

There could be a deal for Randle, or maybe not.
I wouldn't burn a single asset to try and get rid of him, as he's an expiring, in spite of the fact he crowds the paint and roster etc.
On the other hand, he won't fetch a massive return, but there MIGHT be scenarios where he brings something back, depending on circumstance

agreed I wouldn't burn an asset to get rid of him either. But I would trade him for a similar length contract (considerably worse) player and get an asset back in return.

Basically the Conley situation.

[thebuzzardman]

Can Julius wave his player option for 21-22 in a trade? Is it allowed?

Or is that just guaranteed money?

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https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/julius-randle-15359/

TEAM option for 21-22, but with 4 million guaranteed

Best to look at Randle as 15 million expiring, as any team would be on hook for 21-22 salary, even if they reject the team option, correct?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Can Julius wave his player option for 21-22 in a trade? Is it allowed?

Or is that just guaranteed money?

*edit

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/julius-randle-15359/

TEAM option for 21-22, but with 4 million guaranteed

Best to look at Randle as 15 million expiring, as any team would be on hook for 21-22 salary, even if they reject the team option, correct?

Nobody is gonna turn down $4mil, basically for nothing. It is his right per the contract.

$18.9mil + $4mil next year.

[thebuzzardman]

Can Julius wave his player option for 21-22 in a trade? Is it allowed?

Or is that just guaranteed money?

*edit

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/julius-randle-15359/

TEAM option for 21-22, but with 4 million guaranteed

Best to look at Randle as 15 million expiring, as any team would be on hook for 21-22 salary, even if they reject the team option, correct?

Nobody is gonna turn down $4mil, basically for nothing. It is his right per the contract.

$18.9mil + $4mil next year.

That's why I put the edit in. 4 million guaranteed.

Makes him effectively a 15 million expiring (19 million - 4 million)

[Deeeez Knicks]

Can Julius wave his player option for 21-22 in a trade? Is it allowed?

Or is that just guaranteed money?

*edit

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/julius-randle-15359/

TEAM option for 21-22, but with 4 million guaranteed

Best to look at Randle as 15 million expiring, as any team would be on hook for 21-22 salary, even if they reject the team option, correct?

Nobody is gonna turn down $4mil, basically for nothing. It is his right per the contract.

$18.9mil + $4mil next year.

That's why I put the edit in. 4 million guaranteed.

Makes him effectively a 15 million expiring (19 million - 4 million)

Isn't it $19 + $4 for $23mil?

[thebuzzardman]

Nobody is gonna turn down $4mil, basically for nothing. It is his right per the contract.

$18.9mil + $4mil next year.

That's why I put the edit in. 4 million guaranteed.

Makes him effectively a 15 million expiring (19 million - 4 million)

Isn't it $19 + $4 for $23mil?

Randle gets discussed in the context of being an " expiring". He would be 19 million off NEXT season but then that team is still responsible for 4 million. So I state his "expiring value" for a team as 15 million

[WargamesX]

The Utah thing is absurd. Mike Conley can actually play winning basketball. For them to trade him for a turd like King Julius without expecting Frank or something back is dumb.

The trade for Conley actually does make sense.

1) Conley went 1-13 in a playoff game 7 series that he missed the first two games of for personal reasons.

He had a baby during a once in a century election year pandemic. How in the world are you or the Jazz holding that against him?

Even with a bad game 7 he shot 52% from 3 in the series in 5 games. Their other backup PG is Mudiay who can't shoot 52% in an empty gym. Conley shot 38% on the season from 3 despite getting off to a slow start. Mudiay can't shoot 38% into a bathtub from the toilet.

2) He never fit well with Mitchell because Mitchell continues to play more and more like a PG.

He fits fine because he can shoot. Where he didn't fit was the lob game with Gobert, but was starting to get it by year end.

3) Conley got paid 32 Million this year by the Jazz to go 1-13 in a game 7 also did I mention he missed the game tying shot in that game. I know the Jazz aren’t looking forward to paying him 34 million next year. Conley is a good player that has not been playing good for the Jazz.

There wouldn't have been a game seven if he hadn't shot a blistering 52% from 3 in the series. With a 5-1 A-to-TO ratio. Is he worth 34 million? No but they can't replace him even if they trade for turd Randle. They are currently at $117,859,175 with his option picked up but before re-signing Clarkson (and before their pick if they have it). The cap this year was $109,140,000. It's only going down if anywhere next year. So your "savings" does literally nothing except maybe save ownership a few bucks and piss off Mitchell.

So trading for Randle shaves off $14 million but it doesn't really let them go get a starting quality guard. They get an unplayable toilet clogging PF to stand next to their center who can't shoot outside of 1 foot.

4) Randle is a lot cheaper 34 - 19 = 15 million less, plus if he works out they have the right to keep him for one more year

Cat litter is cheaper also, it's about $10.00 for a bag and provides as much value in a playoff game 7 as Randle.

6) very few teams can take on that 34 mil, let alone be willing to do it.

This is true, I think it's the Knicks, Atlanta and another couple. But the Knicks have a 10 win roster with or without Randle. With a starting quality point guard we have a 20 win roster. We started the worst point guard in organized pro basketball in Elfrid Payton, not only is he awful but he's a truly awful fit with Mitch / RJ and Randle because he won't even try to shoot and when he did it was 5th grade girls level accuracy.

He’s a bad contract at that price, and Mitchell is looking more like he can play PG

Conley also really went 2-13 in a game 7 situation where they lost by 3 points and he missed the tying shot. If he did that for the Knicks, getting paid what he is getting paid, playing next to a Mitchell who can play PG, we would be burning his jersey......

Add to that the Stepien rule which states that can’t trade out of this weaker draft to move him and the Knicks offering Randle and a swap of #27 for #23 is the best deal they can get. Also on the low they can move Clarkson to their starting SG (who they should extend if they are smart) and Mitchell over to PG. Randle would then be their 6th man.

It legit works. Even for Conley who if he played well here could get a new contract for 2-3 years to give whoever we draft more time to develop right.

[nedleeds]

He’s a bad contract at that price, and Mitchell is looking more like he can play PG

Conley also really went 2-13 in a game 7 situation where they lost by 3 points and he missed the tying shot. If he did that for the Knicks, getting paid what he is getting paid, playing next to a Mitchell who can play PG, we would be burning his jersey......

Add to that the Stepien rule which states that can’t trade out of this weaker draft to move him and the Knicks offering Randle and a swap of #27 for #23 is the best deal they can get. Also on the low they can move Clarkson to their starting SG (who they should extend if they are smart) and Mitchell over to PG. Randle would then be their 6th man.

It legit works. Even for Conley who if he played well here could get a new contract for 2-3 years to give whoever we draft more time to develop right.

Randle is just as bad relatively speaking for his contract. He's an $8 million bench midget center.

Why are you fixated on that one game? Or even one series ...? Let me share some playoff numbers with you.

32% from the field, 26% from 3 ...16 assists and 21 turnovers. That was Mitchell's playoffs last year and nobody was looking to blame him. The Jazz win if a lot of things besides Conley's last shot go better. They also are never in a game 7 if you swap Conley for Julius Randle. Because Randle sucks and he sucks even more in the playoffs when your second best player is a center.

Mitchell is playing point guard full time? They also probably win if Mitchell doesn't have NINE turnovers in game 7. They also win if Mitchell doesn't get an 8 second count in game 1. Again are you trading Mitchell as well? He blew the first game. Trade him!

Why in the name of christ does New York burning his jersey for a playoff missed shot have anything to do with this trade that won't happen? The Knicks aren't touching a playoff game 7 for at least 3 years. If Conley misses a 3 in December while we're on our way to 10-72 we'll barely **** notice, actually GreenArrow will wet himself with joy at the tank preservation.

If this Easter Bunny bull trade happened we'd just trade Conley at the deadline to a contending team, or buy him out and do him a solid and let him ring chase.

You still haven't addressed the cap math. This "savings" effectively does nothing. Might make it easier to stave off the luxury tax a little but the Jazz are *competing*, Randle for Conley makes them much worse. Again he's bad. Conley is good compared to a replacement player, he is overpaid but they can't replace him anyway, it doesn't matter other than ownerships pockets.

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He’s a bad contract at that price, and Mitchell is looking more like he can play PG

Conley also really went 2-13 in a game 7 situation where they lost by 3 points and he missed the tying shot. If he did that for the Knicks, getting paid what he is getting paid, playing next to a Mitchell who can play PG, we would be burning his jersey......

Add to that the Stepien rule which states that can’t trade out of this weaker draft to move him and the Knicks offering Randle and a swap of #27 for #23 is the best deal they can get. Also on the low they can move Clarkson to their starting SG (who they should extend if they are smart) and Mitchell over to PG. Randle would then be their 6th man.

It legit works. Even for Conley who if he played well here could get a new contract for 2-3 years to give whoever we draft more time to develop right.

Randle is just as bad relatively speaking for his contract. He's an $8 million bench midget center.

Why are you fixated on that one game? Or even one series ...? Let me share some playoff numbers with you.

32% from the field, 26% from 3 ...16 assists and 21 turnovers. That was Mitchell's playoffs last year and nobody was looking to blame him. The Jazz win if a lot of things besides Conley's last shot go better. They also are never in a game 7 if you swap Conley for Julius Randle. Because Randle sucks and he sucks even more in the playoffs when your second best player is a center.

Mitchell is playing point guard full time? They also probably win if Mitchell doesn't have NINE turnovers in game 7. They also win if Mitchell doesn't get an 8 second count in game 1. Again are you trading Mitchell as well? He blew the first game. Trade him!

Why in the name of christ does New York burning his jersey for a playoff missed shot have anything to do with this trade that won't happen? The Knicks aren't touching a playoff game 7 for at least 3 years. If Conley misses a 3 in December while we're on our way to 10-72 we'll barely **** notice, actually GreenArrow will wet himself with joy at the tank preservation.

If this Easter Bunny bull trade happened we'd just trade Conley at the deadline to a contending team, or buy him out and do him a solid and let him ring chase.

You still haven't addressed the cap math. This "savings" effectively does nothing. Might make it easier to stave off the luxury tax a little but the Jazz are *competing*, Randle for Conley makes them much worse. Again he's bad. Conley is good compared to a replacement player, he is overpaid but they can't replace him anyway, it doesn't matter other than ownerships pockets.

Ok let’s see how they felt about Conley before this series

https://sircharlesincharge.com/2019/12/12/utah-jazz-mike-conley-trade-paying-off/

https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/2/1/21118182/the-utah-jazz-have-a-mike-conley-riddle-trade-rumors

On the low they see Conley the same way we do about Randle except he costs a lot more.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/9/6/21424105/mike-conley-utah-jazz-nba-playoffs-denver-nuggets-orlando-bubble

^The local press is already going at him for game 7, not Mitchell. He isn’t wanted there.

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[Jose7]

This is the key to the offseason. I know we have a trade discussion thread but I wanted to feel the pulse of the board on this team. I dont think any of us can tolerate watching this clown play for another year. The silver lining is that he is essentially a one year deal (yes I know about the guaranteed money year 3).

What team can Leon ship this man to and what asset would we be willing to attach for the greater good of the future of the franchise? This is year 4 for Frank, year 3 for Mitch, year 2 for RJ. You cant have a guy like this on the team and expect anything good to come out of it besides him bumbling and stumbling to 18 and 9. He's a developmental killer thanks to Pills.

How can Leon reverse the damage?

We been on their energy fellas..

[Chanel Bomber]

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