2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[KGdaBom]

Another Edwards is off to a great start to his rookie season. Clyde Edwards-Helaire of the KC Chiefs. Could be a sign.

[Neeva]

Not sure I want Edwards anymore (after initially liking how much he wanted to be on the wolves) something about him seems off on his social media. I am firmly on the trade down and draft Ball bandwagon or trade down and get win now young-ish veteran and future picks.

Maybe Trade down from 1 to 4 and get the Bulls 2021 top 3 protected pick, then trade down again and use culver to get Bridges/pick 10 and suns 2021 OR 2022 top 8
Protected pick( suns and their new assistant coach seem to want Avdija bad)
Wolves can Draft Hayes/Haliburton/Toppin with the 10th.

[KGdaBom]

Not sure I want Edwards anymore (after initially liking how much he wanted to be on the wolves) something about him seems off on his social media. I am firmly on the trade down and draft Ball bandwagon or trade down and get win now young-ish veteran and future picks.

Maybe Trade down from 1 to 4 and get the Bulls 2021 top 3 protected pick, then trade down again and use culver to get Bridges/pick 10 and suns 2021 OR 2022 top 8
Protected pick( suns and their new assistant coach seem to want Avdija bad)
Wolves can Draft Hayes/Haliburton/Toppin with the 10th.

If you could assure me of Okongwu in this plan I would be on board.

[shangrila]

Not sure I want Edwards anymore (after initially liking how much he wanted to be on the wolves) something about him seems off on his social media. I am firmly on the trade down and draft Ball bandwagon or trade down and get win now young-ish veteran and future picks.

Maybe Trade down from 1 to 4 and get the Bulls 2021 top 3 protected pick, then trade down again and use culver to get Bridges/pick 10 and suns 2021 OR 2022 top 8
Protected pick( suns and their new assistant coach seem to want Avdija bad)
Wolves can Draft Hayes/Haliburton/Toppin with the 10th.

Can you clarify? I didn't see anything weird on twitter (assuming I had the right account).

[KGdaBom]

I'm really coming around to Avdija. He's so talented in virtually every way and he can play both SF and PF which are our two positions of greatest need. He has the handle and vision to be a great shot creator and at least a secondary ball handler. He has enough size that nobody is going to shoot over him when he's on defense. He's a good shot blocker and decent rebounder. He's aggressive and can slash to the rim and dunk. His shooting from the field and line needs to be better, but he has all the same reasons to expect his shooting from the field to improve that Edwards does. Why can't he make FTs?????????

[KGdaBom]

This is an excellent conversation with Doogie and Skor North about what to do with the #1 pick.

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[KGdaBom]

An hour of pretty good draft chat that doesn't follow the consensus at all. Jedzz would appreciate it.

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[Jedzz]

Someone explain Edwards game IQ to me. I think he might be totally lost if ever playing off ball.

Second possesion of this clip: 19 seconds in. Second pass already as they walk up midcourt and his teammate is surveying the court. Edwards just stands there next to him demanding the ball. He teamate doesn't immediately give it to him, keeps surveying, but Edwards just stands there longer until he does. Edwrds finally gets his way and the ball and waits long enough for the original teammate that had the ball to reach the far corner and then passes across court to him in the corner. That dude sends it back across court to Edwards. Edwards jacks a brick from 3. This could be the story of the next three years.

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[Klomp]

Someone explain Edwards game IQ to me. I think he might be totally lost if ever playing off ball.

Second possesion of this clip: 19 seconds in. Second pass already as they walk up midcourt and his teammate is surveying the court. Edwards just stands there next to him demanding the ball. He teamate doesn't immediately give it to him, keeps surveying, but Edwards just stands there longer until he does. Edwrds finally gets his way and the ball then passes across court to far corner. That dude sends it right back across court. Edwards jacks a brick from 3. This could be the story of the next three years.

Big reason why I think I prefer Ball. He seems like he understands playing off the ball, at least to a higher level than Edwards. With Towns and Russell already here, that's important.

[Neeva]

Someone explain Edwards game IQ to me. I think he might be totally lost if ever playing off ball.

Second possesion of this clip: 19 seconds in. Second pass already as they walk up midcourt and his teammate is surveying the court. Edwards just stands there next to him demanding the ball. He teamate doesn't immediately give it to him, keeps surveying, but Edwards just stands there longer until he does. Edwrds finally gets his way and the ball then passes across court to far corner. That dude sends it right back across court. Edwards jacks a brick from 3. This could be the story of the next three years.

Big reason why I think I prefer Ball. He seems like he understands playing off the ball, at least to a higher level than Edwards. With Towns and Russell already here, that's important.

I am all in on Ball if wolves keep the pick. Ball just seems like the smarter player on and off the court.

[Jedzz]

Someone explain Edwards game IQ to me. I think he might be totally lost if ever playing off ball.

Second possesion of this clip: 19 seconds in. Second pass already as they walk up midcourt and his teammate is surveying the court. Edwards just stands there next to him demanding the ball. He teamate doesn't immediately give it to him, keeps surveying, but Edwards just stands there longer until he does. Edwrds finally gets his way and the ball then passes across court to far corner. That dude sends it right back across court. Edwards jacks a brick from 3. This could be the story of the next three years.

Big reason why I think I prefer Ball. He seems like he understands playing off the ball, at least to a higher level than Edwards. With Towns and Russell already here, that's important.

Sure but Ball can't show that he can shoot right now. Kind of a risky pick for this offense.

[Klomp]

Towns and Russell would love playing with him I bet

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[Jedzz]

Someone explain Edwards game IQ to me. I think he might be totally lost if ever playing off ball.

Second possesion of this clip: 19 seconds in. Second pass already as they walk up midcourt and his teammate is surveying the court. Edwards just stands there next to him demanding the ball. He teamate doesn't immediately give it to him, keeps surveying, but Edwards just stands there longer until he does. Edwrds finally gets his way and the ball then passes across court to far corner. That dude sends it right back across court. Edwards jacks a brick from 3. This could be the story of the next three years.

Big reason why I think I prefer Ball. He seems like he understands playing off the ball, at least to a higher level than Edwards. With Towns and Russell already here, that's important.

I am all in on Ball if wolves keep the pick. Ball just seems like the smarter player on and off the court.

Smarter? maybe you can explain the decisions and sloppy play in what I see in this clip?

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[Jedzz]

Towns and Russell would love playing with him I bet

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They could take him #1 and if he busts they can just say they wanted a Doncic and got suckered in by that current Euro/International player hype.

[KGdaBom]

Towns and Russell would love playing with him I bet

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I'm convinced that Deni is a better pick than Ball and/or Edwards. He's a solidly built 6'9" and 220.

My draft board
Wiseman
Okongwu
Deni. If he could make his FTs he would be #1 on my board.
Edwards

If we use the #1 overall on anybody else I will be distressed.

The following I have all on the same tier below them no order.
Toppin
Hayes
Vassell
Halliburton
Okoro
Reluctantly I will put Ball in this group deferring to minds that think he will be good.

[gandlogo]

I'm really coming around to Avdija. He's so talented in virtually every way and he can play both SF and PF which are our two positions of greatest need. He has the handle and vision to be a great shot creator and at least a secondary ball handler. He has enough size that nobody is going to shoot over him when he's on defense. He's a good shot blocker and decent rebounder. He's aggressive and can slash to the rim and dunk. His shooting from the field and line needs to be better, but he has all the same reasons to expect his shooting from the field to improve that Edwards does. Why can't he make FTs?????????

He’s 19 with a good stroke. No reason he’s not going to be 70-75% soon. Brandon Clarke was 56% from the line when he was 19. They both seem to have similar drives to succeed.

[KGdaBom]

I'm really coming around to Avdija. He's so talented in virtually every way and he can play both SF and PF which are our two positions of greatest need. He has the handle and vision to be a great shot creator and at least a secondary ball handler. He has enough size that nobody is going to shoot over him when he's on defense. He's a good shot blocker and decent rebounder. He's aggressive and can slash to the rim and dunk. His shooting from the field and line needs to be better, but he has all the same reasons to expect his shooting from the field to improve that Edwards does. Why can't he make FTs?????????

He’s 19 with a good stroke. No reason he’s not going to be 70-75% soon. Brandon Clarke was 56% from the line when he was 19. They both seem to have similar drives to succeed.

I like the way you're thinking, but I'm not confident about it. Clarke improved his FT% by more than almost anybody does and he actually hit a solid percentage on 3s but only one attempt per game. If Deni can improve on his shooting from pretty much everywhere he is going to be sensational.

[KGdaBom]

If the Wolves take Ball at #1 overall I will wait before jumping off a bridge and might even hold off on throwing a brick through my TV screen. The reason for this delay is back in the year we drafted OJ Mayo instead of Kevin Love I almost did the same only to find out that the Wolves management was actually smarter than me when they traded Mayo and pure crap for Love and Mike Miller.

[Klomp]

I'm really coming around to Avdija. He's so talented in virtually every way and he can play both SF and PF which are our two positions of greatest need. He has the handle and vision to be a great shot creator and at least a secondary ball handler. He has enough size that nobody is going to shoot over him when he's on defense. He's a good shot blocker and decent rebounder. He's aggressive and can slash to the rim and dunk. His shooting from the field and line needs to be better, but he has all the same reasons to expect his shooting from the field to improve that Edwards does. Why can't he make FTs?????????

He’s 19 with a good stroke. No reason he’s not going to be 70-75% soon. Brandon Clarke was 56% from the line when he was 19. They both seem to have similar drives to succeed.

That right there is called knowing your audience and tailoring your argument to it! Are you a politician?

[KGdaBom]

I'm really coming around to Avdija. He's so talented in virtually every way and he can play both SF and PF which are our two positions of greatest need. He has the handle and vision to be a great shot creator and at least a secondary ball handler. He has enough size that nobody is going to shoot over him when he's on defense. He's a good shot blocker and decent rebounder. He's aggressive and can slash to the rim and dunk. His shooting from the field and line needs to be better, but he has all the same reasons to expect his shooting from the field to improve that Edwards does. Why can't he make FTs?????????

He’s 19 with a good stroke. No reason he’s not going to be 70-75% soon. Brandon Clarke was 56% from the line when he was 19. They both seem to have similar drives to succeed.

That right there is called knowing your audience and tailoring your argument to it! Are you a politician?

It was a nice try, but I wasn't buying it. I'm hopeful of large improvement in his shooting from all places one can shoot from. I'm not counting on it. If we draft Deni #1 there will be no bridge jumping even considered as I really like everything about his game except for his shooting and I'm hopeful of shooting improvement. I think Deni compares favorably to Edwards in pretty much every skill except for FT shooting.