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Re: PG: Still the CHAMPS! 

Post#601 » by bakafool » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:26 am

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bakafool wrote:All those mental mistakes point to fatigue.


Fatigue from what? They swept the first round then had 6 days off and did not have to travel anywhere between games. If you’re tired from that then you have no business being a professional athlete. It was the same for every team still playing, how come no one else is fatigued?

Did you not watch the series? Many of our players played a **** ton of minutes. Of course fatigue played a factor. And of course you can't blame everything on that. Feel free to **** on some of the stupid decision making of our players as well. Wise guy.
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Re: PG: Still the CHAMPS! 

Post#602 » by WildWolfdog » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:28 am

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There was no way for him to sneak out of his condo to the OVO gym at any point? lol. Like this is insane to me.


First few weeks of May they could practice at the facility. He just making excuses. He probably thought season won't be restart and just did nothing.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/nba/toronto-sports-raptors-leafs-practice-facilities-1.5561224


My thoughts exactly.

He could've bought a damn gym or rented one out for himself if he wanted to do so.
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Post#603 » by RaptorsNorth » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:28 am

sidsid wrote:Some good stuff in this series and a nice legacy sealer for Lowry.

- OG really shored up all aspects of his game this season. Rebounding, handles/attacking, and off ball movement. He's looking like more than 3 and D. Great strides. A complete player.

- Siakam basically in a sophomore slump wasn't going to turn around his game during these playoffs. Needs an offseason retool and new approach. Really impressive what the team did considering that would be a recipe for a sweep like disaster for other teams (see last year's Celtics collapse against the Bucks).

- FVV: it was important that his physical limitations were exposed in these playoffs. Too many people (including likely the front office) were still clinging to the "slump" narrative for last year's Sixers/Bucks series. Crucial to not make a massive overpay for what's expected of a contender. He should not be sniffing 20 mil.

I saw these playoffs as good development time for some guys. Disappointed we didn't get to see more Davis even though it's understandable.
how do you justify not giving Fred 20 mill after giving pascal a 130 million dollar contract when Fred has had a bigger impact in the playoffs. It makes no sense. We don’t beat Golden State without Fred.
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Post#604 » by RaptorsNorth » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:32 am

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radeonboy wrote:
rocky_da_best wrote:
There was no way for him to sneak out of his condo to the OVO gym at any point? lol. Like this is insane to me.


First few weeks of May they could practice at the facility. He just making excuses. He probably thought season won't be restart and just did nothing.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/nba/toronto-sports-raptors-leafs-practice-facilities-1.5561224


My thoughts exactly.

He could've bought a damn gym or rented one out for himself if he wanted to do so.
why ? He already got a massive contract! If he was playing for one he would have found a way to get into a gym like everybody else. How was Lebron doing it with laker players ?
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Re: PG: Still the CHAMPS! 

Post#605 » by 720 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:33 am

Lowry has built up a lot of value this playoffs. He’s also a HUGE expiring contract which alone adds value. I wonder if some team will give us a good package for him. Probably not though.

We probably should just run his contract out, to be a classy franchise.
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Post#607 » by Scott Hall » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:40 am

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Post#608 » by WildWolfdog » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:42 am

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This is the King of the North chant when Rob Stark was winning the battles and ended up at the red wedding - too early and not the true king.

Jon Snow's chant will happen when Raptors get Giannis next year and win the East, defeating the big bad Nets.
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Post#609 » by sidsid » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:42 am

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sidsid wrote:Some good stuff in this series and a nice legacy sealer for Lowry.

- OG really shored up all aspects of his game this season. Rebounding, handles/attacking, and off ball movement. He's looking like more than 3 and D. Great strides. A complete player.

- Siakam basically in a sophomore slump wasn't going to turn around his game during these playoffs. Needs an offseason retool and new approach. Really impressive what the team did considering that would be a recipe for a sweep like disaster for other teams (see last year's Celtics collapse against the Bucks).

- FVV: it was important that his physical limitations were exposed in these playoffs. Too many people (including likely the front office) were still clinging to the "slump" narrative for last year's Sixers/Bucks series. Crucial to not make a massive overpay for what's expected of a contender. He should not be sniffing 20 mil.

I saw these playoffs as good development time for some guys. Disappointed we didn't get to see more Davis even though it's understandable.
how do you justify not giving Fred 20 mill after giving pascal a 130 million dollar contract when Fred has had a bigger impact in the playoffs. It makes no sense. We don’t beat Golden State without Fred.


That's easy. You are not paying Pascal for the impact he had these playoffs, which would be somewhere around an MLE level player. You are paying him for what he showed at the start of this season (and last year's playoffs run), which earned him an all star spot and being picked in the game by Giannis. You are betting that he will continue to exceed those levels based on potential after a down half-season.

On the other hand, we now have two sets of playoff runs where Fred has been severely limited against size/good d entirely explained by the fact that's he's undersized, unathletic and not skilled enough to overcome it.

That is a hard ceiling for Fred in the games that matter. You pay for the games that matter. And for Fred that means not getting a dime over 15 million.
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Post#610 » by johanliebert » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:47 am

baller16 wrote:This is pretty damn uncalled for but I'm not that mad that it was said. Stuff like this will really put pressure on him to get better next season. He has given me vibes all season long of not giving af after getting paid a big ass contract.

You could see it in in his game. He started slipping offensively 2 months in and continuously regressed to the point where he didn't know how to execute the offensive moves he used to torch teams with in the playoffs. Single coverage and all, he could barely beat an average defender off the dribble and take it the hole like he used too. This doesn't just happen randomly, he clearly stopped training and working hard and it shows.

Not picking up a ball in 4 months was the icing on the cake. A guy like him who had some crazy work ethic last year would never allow something like that to happen. His 2019 self would be shocked to see himself being this laid back after stinking it up since the start of the year.

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i’m not a fan of his role on this team..never have been since he was anointed the lead option but this question was unprofessional.

she stuttered getting it across cause she knew it was. she could have worded it better but then again pascal doesnt owe the media or fans an explanation
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Post#611 » by RaptorsNorth » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:47 am

I’m surprised nobody talked about the no call gold tending on norm’s lay up by smart. 2 huge points now when you look back at it. These are the kind of things that fly without fans.
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Post#612 » by RaptorsNorth » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:48 am

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Post#613 » by Scott Hall » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:49 am

So conflicted bro...

On one hand you'll always have a soft spot for Siakam and Nurse for winning a championship but now you have this
debacle of a series against the city we despise the most it's like losing to the devil.
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Post#614 » by johanliebert » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:49 am

Tha Cynic wrote:There's a bit too much hatred for Pascal Siakam right now. First of all, he is not and nor has he ever been a first option type of player. In fact he's really more of the #3 option. The Raptors forced him into that role but should have stopped when he showed that it was overwhelming him.

The reason he played the role of first option on this team is because the Raptors' two best shot creators are both undersized guards (Lowry and Van Fleet), and one of those two really isn't all the efficient on most nights (Van Fleet).

I blame the coaching staff more for putting him in a position where he couldn't succeed. It was one of the issues I had with Casey and what he did to DeRozan and Lowry during his tenure. Nurse is a much smarter coach so it was surprising to see him continue to die by going to Siakam as if he's some sort of elite shot maker.

i’ll never understand why people claim nurse is the smarter coach.

nurse has been here since 2013 and if people know anything about coaching staffs the assistant’s do most of the work. some coaches are literally motivational speakers while the assistant runs the offense.

nurse had everything to do with derozans growth.
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Post#615 » by True North » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:50 am

It was a fun season to watch and cheer for this team. It will be interesting to see how the offseason goes.
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Post#616 » by tanuki1031 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:53 am

If it helps at all, normally NBA media people roast players who don't show out but the general tone on Siakam has been of concern. He played so poorly that they couldn't pile it on, which 1) confirms exactly how bad his play ways and 2) spares him from the usual criticisms that normally affect players in more negative ways.

We already know what a grinder Siakam is. Hope he does well to learn from this and rededicate himself to developing his basketball game and less so on branding, press/espn specials, and carrying the mantle of being the #1 guy.
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Post#617 » by johanliebert » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:54 am

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lol he really is trying to excuse his play.

lowry, ibaka and fred didn’t look rusty. he can lie to the press anybody who watched this team know he struggled before the bubble..before covid.
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Post#618 » by 720 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:54 am

Norm going up for the transition layup was a mistake but I know that’s a pressure moment and players have to make quick decisions.

Fred taking his sweet ole time for the final shot was what ducking killed me.

We played like garbage for the most part. NEVER had a good game all around this series. If Hayward plays we win this series imo because Smart played better than Hayward ever would have vs us.

Oh well, hope Masai and Bobby put pressure on Siakam to add muscle.

Hope we can get Fred back for a decent contract.

Also hope we bring back Ibaka.

It’ll be tough to bring back Ibaka and Fred but I think for the right contracts it’s worth trying.

Can’t wait to see guys like Matt and TD get better next season with more minutes.

Sucks because this team should be going to the finals this year if Siakam didn’t play like garbage. Things are still looking up though so I’m not totally distraught. Nice young core. Masai needs to get a star here, which we all know he can.
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