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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1301 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:34 am

Rookie-Mistake wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:I’d do #17, Johnson, and S&T Juancho for Aaron Gordon.

Draft Lamelo Ball at 1. Make him the primary passer and guard SG’s at 6’7. Make a DLo primary scorer with KAT.

DLo 6’5
Lamelo 6’7
Layman 6’8
Gordon 6’9
Towns 7 ft

That line up gives you speed to play fast, size to guard, and enough offense and defense.

Bring back Beasley 4 years 50 million as our 6th man in the Eric Gordon/Lou Williams instant offense and spark plug on the second unit.

Wolves make the playoffs for sure and continue to build.


Do you like Gordon?


I don’t think he’s a star but I think he would excel in his role for the wolves. Defense, rebounding, and on the dunker spot. Cutting to the hoop and fast break. He would be able to switch from 2 through 5.

He averaged 14-8-3 last season. As a 3rd/4th guy on this team next to KAT, I think he would excel and so would we.
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Post#1302 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:37 am

I was looking at the magic board and on the Athletic and all their fans say they want to rebuild because next season Brooklyn is gonna be in the playoffs essentially kicking out Orlando. Orlando’s current core is basically 9-10th seed and with Isaac being out for the full year, it might be better to tank and get ready for the 2021-22 season.

Johnson gives them an expiring to free up 16 million for the stacked 2021-22 free agency class.

The 17th pick combined with their own 15th pick could be used together to get into the top 10 or draft two rookies in the middle of the draft where most draft experts say is the strong and best spot to be in the middle of the first round.
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Post#1303 » by shrink » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:21 pm

Klomp wrote:I've said it before, I want to target undervalued guys from good teams. Worked for us this year with the former Nuggets and even with grabbing Layman.

I believe this is Rosas process as well, and one I am a big fan of. Finding undervalued players in roster jams or with skill sets that don’t fit their team’s existing personnel or direction is a great way to improve the talent on this team, which is something we really need. We need talent and we need trade assets. Even when it didn’t go well, I think it shows that Rosas has the right approach, which gives me hope.

Who is on your list of under-valued players?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1304 » by shrink » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:35 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:I was looking at the magic board and on the Athletic and all their fans say they want to rebuild because next season Brooklyn is gonna be in the playoffs essentially kicking out Orlando. Orlando’s current core is basically 9-10th seed and with Isaac being out for the full year, it might be better to tank and get ready for the 2021-22 season.

Johnson gives them an expiring to free up 16 million for the stacked 2021-22 free agency class.

The 17th pick combined with their own 15th pick could be used together to get into the top 10 or draft two rookies in the middle of the draft where most draft experts say is the strong and best spot to be in the middle of the first round.

I’m not the biggest fan of Aaron Gordon, and I feel his questionable three point shooting will cause opposing defenses to sag and reduce the unique floor stretching ability Towns gives us at center. I also think it’s a very bad sign that he hasn’t improved in the last four years - almost every player gets better than they were their sophomore season. That said, if the price is the #17 and an expiring, I think that’s fine. Two things though.

As a secret Magic fan, I am with them that ai want a rebuild too. I will admit it’s easier for internet fans to say, “go all in, or all out” then people with jobs in the actual business, who’s bottom line is revenues, ticket sales, brand image, etc. Even if many fans want a full rebuild, that does not seem to be the direction of the front office, who continued to pay “merely adequate” players like Vucevic and Ross, and seem content with barely making the playoffs in the East.

Second, before Isaac was hurt, trading for Gordon fit Rosas style of picking up undervalued assets. With Isaac, Gordon was facing a position squeeze, and had to spend a great deal of time playing out of position. Now that Isaac will likely miss the whole next year, Gordon can play his natural position. Even if the Magic front office wanted to rebuild, which I doubt, they would be wise to wise to hold onto Gordon until the trade deadline, give him all the minutes he wants, and boost his trade value. If all we have to offer is #17 (a sign and trade for a player under the MLE holds no value), I think the Magic should hold, and wait and see.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1305 » by KGdaBom » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:26 pm

shrink wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:I was looking at the magic board and on the Athletic and all their fans say they want to rebuild because next season Brooklyn is gonna be in the playoffs essentially kicking out Orlando. Orlando’s current core is basically 9-10th seed and with Isaac being out for the full year, it might be better to tank and get ready for the 2021-22 season.

Johnson gives them an expiring to free up 16 million for the stacked 2021-22 free agency class.

The 17th pick combined with their own 15th pick could be used together to get into the top 10 or draft two rookies in the middle of the draft where most draft experts say is the strong and best spot to be in the middle of the first round.

I’m not the biggest fan of Aaron Gordon, and I feel his questionable three point shooting will cause opposing defenses to sag and reduce the unique floor stretching ability Towns gives us at center. I also think it’s a very bad sign that he hasn’t improved in the last four years - almost every player gets better than they were their sophomore season. That said, if the price is the #17 and an expiring, I think that’s fine. Two things though.

As a secret Magic fan, I am with them that ai want a rebuild too. I will admit it’s easier for internet fans to say, “go all in, or all out” then people with jobs in the actual business, who’s bottom line is revenues, ticket sales, brand image, etc. Even if many fans want a full rebuild, that does not seem to be the direction of the front office, who continued to pay “merely adequate” players like Vucevic and Ross, and seem content with barely making the playoffs in the East.

Second, before Isaac was hurt, trading for Gordon fit Rosas style of picking up undervalued assets. With Isaac, Gordon was facing a position squeeze, and had to spend a great deal of time playing out of position. Now that Isaac will likely miss the whole next year, Gordon can play his natural position. Even if the Magic front office wanted to rebuild, which I doubt, they would be wise to wise to hold onto Gordon until the trade deadline, give him all the minutes he wants, and boost his trade value. If all we have to offer is #17 (a sign and trade for a player under the MLE holds no value), I think the Magic should hold, and wait and see.

Vucevic is a merely adequate player?
IMO he's one of the best players in the NBA.

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1306 » by minimus » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:27 pm

shrink wrote:Who is on your list of under-valued players?


Aaron Gordon
Jrue Holiday
Victor Oladipo
De'Anthony Melton
JMac
OG Anunoby
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Post#1307 » by Wolveswin » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:44 pm

shrink wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:I was looking at the magic board and on the Athletic and all their fans say they want to rebuild because next season Brooklyn is gonna be in the playoffs essentially kicking out Orlando. Orlando’s current core is basically 9-10th seed and with Isaac being out for the full year, it might be better to tank and get ready for the 2021-22 season.

Johnson gives them an expiring to free up 16 million for the stacked 2021-22 free agency class.

The 17th pick combined with their own 15th pick could be used together to get into the top 10 or draft two rookies in the middle of the draft where most draft experts say is the strong and best spot to be in the middle of the first round.

I’m not the biggest fan of Aaron Gordon, and I feel his questionable three point shooting will cause opposing defenses to sag and reduce the unique floor stretching ability Towns gives us at center. I also think it’s a very bad sign that he hasn’t improved in the last four years - almost every player gets better than they were their sophomore season. That said, if the price is the #17 and an expiring, I think that’s fine. Two things though.

As a secret Magic fan, I am with them that ai want a rebuild too. I will admit it’s easier for internet fans to say, “go all in, or all out” then people with jobs in the actual business, who’s bottom line is revenues, ticket sales, brand image, etc. Even if many fans want a full rebuild, that does not seem to be the direction of the front office, who continued to pay “merely adequate” players like Vucevic and Ross, and seem content with barely making the playoffs in the East.

Second, before Isaac was hurt, trading for Gordon fit Rosas style of picking up undervalued assets. With Isaac, Gordon was facing a position squeeze, and had to spend a great deal of time playing out of position. Now that Isaac will likely miss the whole next year, Gordon can play his natural position. Even if the Magic front office wanted to rebuild, which I doubt, they would be wise to wise to hold onto Gordon until the trade deadline, give him all the minutes he wants, and boost his trade value. If all we have to offer is #17 (a sign and trade for a player under the MLE holds no value), I think the Magic should hold, and wait and see.

Spot on Shrink.

I think one that works is roping in Knicks.

Magic: Gordon for Randle + #17 + #27 (this Wolves fan would add Vanderbilt, Evans, maybe even Spellman)
Magic Reasoning: as Shrink said, Magic get a player they can showcase with Isaac out -- raise Randle's trade value? With his non-guaranteed 2nd year, if a big time free agent bites, they have options. Yes, I know Randle and Vucevic don't fit, but for a tanking team...so what AMIR.

Knicks: Randle + #8 + #27 + Future Draft Consideration (needed to get Wolves to say yes) for #1 + Johnson
Knicks Reasoning: get their Ball to sell tickets and create excitement. Also cleans up 2021 cap space a little.

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson for A. Gordon + #8 + Future Draft Consideration from Knicks (needed to get Wolves to say yes)
Wolves Reasoning: Randle doesn't fit...enter Gordon. At #8 draft BPA, but I would assume a forward of the future.

Towns
Gordon
Culver | #8
Beasley
Russell
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Post#1308 » by Wolveswin » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:53 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
shrink wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:I was looking at the magic board and on the Athletic and all their fans say they want to rebuild because next season Brooklyn is gonna be in the playoffs essentially kicking out Orlando. Orlando’s current core is basically 9-10th seed and with Isaac being out for the full year, it might be better to tank and get ready for the 2021-22 season.

Johnson gives them an expiring to free up 16 million for the stacked 2021-22 free agency class.

The 17th pick combined with their own 15th pick could be used together to get into the top 10 or draft two rookies in the middle of the draft where most draft experts say is the strong and best spot to be in the middle of the first round.

I’m not the biggest fan of Aaron Gordon, and I feel his questionable three point shooting will cause opposing defenses to sag and reduce the unique floor stretching ability Towns gives us at center. I also think it’s a very bad sign that he hasn’t improved in the last four years - almost every player gets better than they were their sophomore season. That said, if the price is the #17 and an expiring, I think that’s fine. Two things though.

As a secret Magic fan, I am with them that ai want a rebuild too. I will admit it’s easier for internet fans to say, “go all in, or all out” then people with jobs in the actual business, who’s bottom line is revenues, ticket sales, brand image, etc. Even if many fans want a full rebuild, that does not seem to be the direction of the front office, who continued to pay “merely adequate” players like Vucevic and Ross, and seem content with barely making the playoffs in the East.

Second, before Isaac was hurt, trading for Gordon fit Rosas style of picking up undervalued assets. With Isaac, Gordon was facing a position squeeze, and had to spend a great deal of time playing out of position. Now that Isaac will likely miss the whole next year, Gordon can play his natural position. Even if the Magic front office wanted to rebuild, which I doubt, they would be wise to wise to hold onto Gordon until the trade deadline, give him all the minutes he wants, and boost his trade value. If all we have to offer is #17 (a sign and trade for a player under the MLE holds no value), I think the Magic should hold, and wait and see.

Spot on Shrink.

I think one that works is roping in Knicks.

Magic: Gordon for Randle + #17 + #27 (this Wolves fan would add Vanderbilt, Evans, maybe even Spellman)
Magic Reasoning: as Shrink said, Magic get a player they can showcase with Isaac out -- raise Randle's trade value? With his non-guaranteed 2nd year, if a big time free agent bites, they have options. Yes, I know Randle and Vucevic don't fit, but for a tanking team...so what AMIR.

Knicks: Randle + #8 + #27 + Future Draft Consideration (needed to get Wolves to say yes) for #1 + Johnson
Knicks Reasoning: get their Ball to sell tickets and create excitement. Also cleans up 2021 cap space a little.

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson for A. Gordon + #8 + Future Draft Consideration from Knicks (needed to get Wolves to say yes)
Wolves Reasoning: Randle doesn't fit...enter Gordon. At #8 draft BPA, but I would assume a forward of the future.

Towns
Gordon
Culver | #8
Beasley
Russell

I think the same concept with the Bulls works too.

Magic: Gordon for Thad + #17 (this Wolves fan would add Vanderbilt, Evans, maybe even Spellman)
Magic Reasoning: Thad has said he wants to start and showcase his aging talents...raise his trade value? With his non-guaranteed 2nd year, if a big time free agent bites, they have options. Yes, I know Thad and Vucevic don't fit, but for a tanking team...so what AMIR.

Bulls: Thad + #4 + Future Draft Consideration (needed to get Wolves to say yes) for #1 + Johnson
Bulls Reasoning: get their Ball to sell tickets and create excitement.

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson for A. Gordon + #4 + Future Draft Consideration from Bulls (needed to get Wolves to say yes)
Wolves Reasoning: At #4 draft BPA, but I would assume a forward of the future.

Towns
Gordon
Culver | #4
Beasley
Russell
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Post#1309 » by TheDominator273 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:59 pm

No idea what it would cost, but I'd love to try to swing a deal for Siakam. I think he fits great next to KAT and is still "wing" enough for the 1-3-1 lineup. I know he had a very good offensive season in the regular season, but I think the playoffs showed that he's best as a 3rd option offensively.
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Post#1310 » by _AIJ_ » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:15 pm

I really hope we could find a way to acquire Ben Simmons. He would help a lot guarding Lebron,kawhi/pg,doncic,booker,mitchell,murray,ingram,harden,klay/steph. We dont have that kind of a defensive stud yet.
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Post#1311 » by Wolveswin » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:26 pm

minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:Who is on your list of under-valued players?


Aaron Gordon
Jrue Holiday
Victor Oladipo
De'Anthony Melton
JMac
OG Anunoby

OG would be nice. A trade I think works...

Pacers: Dipo for Powell + Culver + #17 + #29 (or 2020 Raptors protected 1st)
Pacers Reasoning: Powell is respectable keep-winning-now for Pacers...who with Warren wouldn't be after OG. Culver and picks rounds out a nice offer for health-concern-expiring-Dipo.

Raptors: OG + Powell + S. Johnson + #29 for Dipo + Evans
Raptors Reasoning: they try Kawhi 2.0 with Dipo...can he lead them towards a championship? And with Giannis dreams, could Dipo and Giannis agree to stay and play with Siakam.

Wolves: Culver + #17 + Evans for OG + S. Johnson
Wolves Reasoning: this Wolves fan wants nothing to do with Dipo, but big yes on OG -- even at cost of Culver. And yes, I would see what appetite Pacers have for trading Turner+ for #1 + J. Johnson.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1312 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:30 pm

TheDominator273 wrote:No idea what it would cost, but I'd love to try to swing a deal for Siakam. I think he fits great next to KAT and is still "wing" enough for the 1-3-1 lineup. I know he had a very good offensive season in the regular season, but I think the playoffs showed that he's best as a 3rd option offensively.


I don’t think toronto would give him up for the number 1
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Post#1313 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:54 pm

shrink wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:I was looking at the magic board and on the Athletic and all their fans say they want to rebuild because next season Brooklyn is gonna be in the playoffs essentially kicking out Orlando. Orlando’s current core is basically 9-10th seed and with Isaac being out for the full year, it might be better to tank and get ready for the 2021-22 season.

Johnson gives them an expiring to free up 16 million for the stacked 2021-22 free agency class.

The 17th pick combined with their own 15th pick could be used together to get into the top 10 or draft two rookies in the middle of the draft where most draft experts say is the strong and best spot to be in the middle of the first round.

I’m not the biggest fan of Aaron Gordon, and I feel his questionable three point shooting will cause opposing defenses to sag and reduce the unique floor stretching ability Towns gives us at center. I also think it’s a very bad sign that he hasn’t improved in the last four years - almost every player gets better than they were their sophomore season. That said, if the price is the #17 and an expiring, I think that’s fine. Two things though.

As a secret Magic fan, I am with them that ai want a rebuild too. I will admit it’s easier for internet fans to say, “go all in, or all out” then people with jobs in the actual business, who’s bottom line is revenues, ticket sales, brand image, etc. Even if many fans want a full rebuild, that does not seem to be the direction of the front office, who continued to pay “merely adequate” players like Vucevic and Ross, and seem content with barely making the playoffs in the East.

Second, before Isaac was hurt, trading for Gordon fit Rosas style of picking up undervalued assets. With Isaac, Gordon was facing a position squeeze, and had to spend a great deal of time playing out of position. Now that Isaac will likely miss the whole next year, Gordon can play his natural position. Even if the Magic front office wanted to rebuild, which I doubt, they would be wise to wise to hold onto Gordon until the trade deadline, give him all the minutes he wants, and boost his trade value. If all we have to offer is #17 (a sign and trade for a player under the MLE holds no value), I think the Magic should hold, and wait and see.


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Post#1314 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:07 pm

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Post#1315 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:09 pm

Warriors gonna offer Wiggins, the number 2 pick, and the Wolves top 3 protected pick.
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Post#1316 » by UnFadeable21 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:26 pm

‪Which package is better for the Milwaukee Bucks & Giannis Greak Freak antetokounmpo?‬

‪Warriors send Wiggins, Chriss, No. 2 Overall Draft Pick, 2021 Wolves Top 3 protected pick.‬

‪Knicks send RJ Barrett, Mitchel Robinson, Julius Randle, No. 8 pick, 2021 Dallas Pick & 2022 NY pick‬
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1317 » by minimus » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:30 pm

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1318 » by shrink » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:32 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Vucevic is a merely adequate player?
IMO he's one of the best players in the NBA.

1 Post to go. :D

The NBA in 1977 maybe. Green font.

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Post#1319 » by Jedzz » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:52 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
TheDominator273 wrote:No idea what it would cost, but I'd love to try to swing a deal for Siakam. I think he fits great next to KAT and is still "wing" enough for the 1-3-1 lineup. I know he had a very good offensive season in the regular season, but I think the playoffs showed that he's best as a 3rd option offensively.


I don’t think toronto would give him up for the number 1


If they ever would, I think some of the shine wore off him this playoff series with Celtics. Dude was hapless the first many games. Couple that with his monster deal signed and Raps fans weren't happy to see those performances. If there ever will be a time, it might be now. However I'd leave exactly how you match that contract for a trade without destroying this team's chances to some one else. Because a bunch of dead weight and one pick likely won't cut it unless they are enamored with someone at the top of this draft.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1320 » by KGdaBom » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:53 pm

shrink wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Vucevic is a merely adequate player?
IMO he's one of the best players in the NBA.

1 Post to go. :D

The NBA in 1977 maybe. Green font.

Congrats on post 10,000. Welcome to the 5-digiters club — I’ll go get your robe.

One of the best players of 2020. Also in 1977 what centers were shooting threes like Vuc? He was keeping Orlando in games all by himself. Great player.

I need that robe in XXL.
Thanks. :D

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