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Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
King4Day wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
These guys act like Oubre, Ayton, at least one of Cam/Bridges and picks isn't a deal that could net Giannis? Huh?
Name a team that can offer them something better...
Set aside the fact he's staying with the Bucks but I don't get why the hosts think a Suns offer surrounded by Ayton isn't competitive
cberry78 wrote:King4Day wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
These guys act like Oubre, Ayton, at least one of Cam/Bridges and picks isn't a deal that could net Giannis? Huh?
Name a team that can offer them something better...
Set aside the fact he's staying with the Bucks but I don't get why the hosts think a Suns offer surrounded by Ayton isn't competitive
Doesn't OKC have like 47 first-round picks over the next decade? I'm pretty sure that plus salary would trump the Suns' offer.
Mjee wrote:Chicagoat wrote:Hello everyone, I come from the Bulls board.
Just wanting to get a temperature of how your fan base feels about Lauri? Him being a local guy and being a position of need would be a good bonus.
lets make a deal .... Oubre for Lauri straight up?
What gets it done in your opinion ????
King4Day wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
These guys act like Oubre, Ayton, at least one of Cam/Bridges and picks isn't a deal that could net Giannis? Huh?
Name a team that can offer them something better...
Set aside the fact he's staying with the Bucks but I don't get why the hosts think a Suns offer surrounded by Ayton isn't competitive
Kerrsed wrote:King4Day wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
These guys act like Oubre, Ayton, at least one of Cam/Bridges and picks isn't a deal that could net Giannis? Huh?
Name a team that can offer them something better...
Set aside the fact he's staying with the Bucks but I don't get why the hosts think a Suns offer surrounded by Ayton isn't competitive
Your talking about the MVP here. Top 3 player in the league. And you think Ayton, an expiring Oubre (Who was acquired for the train-wreck dumpster-fire Ariza), and a young roleplayer like Cam or Bridges is enough? Who cares about the pick because Booker/Giannis will ensure that its a non-lottery pick. Trading a top player in the league you better be getting an allstar back or multiple former allstars. MVP? You better be getting back everything you ask for from a team.
Westbrook wanted out from OKC, and they netted a 9x All-star and arguably one of the best PG's in the league in Chris Paul, along with 2 1st round picks and the option to swap picks inbetween. Sure CP3 is up there in age (just 4 years older than Westbrook), yet he made the all-star game for the 10th time. He will also net them more assets via trade this offseason.Also keep in mind that was for a 31 year old Westbrook, Giannis is 25.
For Paul George (6x all-star) OKC landed SGA, who is somewhat around Bridges value but is considered to have a much higher upside. They also got Gallo, who is pretty much Cam Johnson but holds more value around the league. Now the clincher to this trade was picks (Since OKC is smart and knows they are looking at rebuilding in a year or two). They get the Clippers first round draft picks in 2022/2024/2026, the Heats first round picks in 2021/2023, along with the option to swap picks with the Clippers in 2023 and 2025. Quite a haul for their future, and just remember, Paul George has never been in the real MVP conversation and was 30 years old when he was traded (5 years older than MVP Giannis).
Kawhi Leonard was traded for a 4x allstar in Demar DeRozan after forcing is way out of San Antonio. They also got a young sophomore roleplayer with potential in Jakob Poeltl (Bridges/Cam value), along with 2 future 1st round picks (1 being in one of the most stacked drafts in years). They also were able to dump Danny Greene's bad contract on the Raptors. Kawhi was 28 years old and had the Spurs over a barrel when it came to trading him. While Toronto came out on top with this trade by winning a title with Kawhi, they were left holding their d***s in their hand when he left in FA like was predicted by most teams that wernt going to give up assets to San Antonio without a verbal guarantee by Kawhi about re-signing.
Those are 3 of the most recent superstar trades to help gauge the trade value of Giannis. So unless we plan on adding around 8 future 1sts in with the trade, Ayton/Oubre/Bridges isnt going to cut it.
cberry78 wrote:King4Day wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:?s=09
These guys act like Oubre, Ayton, at least one of Cam/Bridges and picks isn't a deal that could net Giannis? Huh?
Name a team that can offer them something better...
Set aside the fact he's staying with the Bucks but I don't get why the hosts think a Suns offer surrounded by Ayton isn't competitive
Doesn't OKC have like 47 first-round picks over the next decade? I'm pretty sure that plus salary would trump the Suns' offer.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Chicagoat wrote:Hello everyone, I come from the Bulls board.
Just wanting to get a temperature of how your fan base feels about Lauri? Him being a local guy and being a position of need would be a good bonus.
I for my part still like him and have definite interest for the right price of course. It's weird though as many of us Suns fans can't yet identify what direction your Bulls front office/ fanbase is headed and more importantly, If your front office prioritizes him as an integral piece going forward. But I currently ( given his struggles) have his trade value at either equal to Oubre in a swap for better positional fit? Or the 10th pick. But not both. That's again where I see his trade value at personally! His upside is still pretty solid though.
But I would probably given his current value,
Only entertain one of three trades really:
1- Oubre/ Kaminsky for Markannen/ Sato?
2- Oubre for Markannen straight up?
3- I might go as high as Oubre / Kaminsky/ 10 for Markannen/ White/ 44th pick?
But I could of course understand if you guys might choose to decline any of those offers.
One interesting trade idea that I've been toying around with a bit is the framework for:
Phoenix/ Chicago/ Milwaukee/ Oklahoma city
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3na5e7a
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( Picks exchanged).
- Chicago gets the 10th pick ( Phoenix).
- Phoenix gets the 24th pick ( Milwaukee), And the 25th pick from Oklahoma city.
- Oklahoma city gets a 2021 first from Milwaukee, A future ( 2023) lottery protected first from Phoenix, And the 45th pick from Chicago this draft?
Doesn't Kennard have some serious injury concerns though? Like long term, worse than Cam Johnson coming out of college, type of injury concerns? I thought i read as much on this forum somewhere.bwgood77 wrote:I think if they want to control cost and also get value for Oubre while they likely still can get some value, they should consider the Oubre for Kennard swap if it's still available. Not because he is as good, but because Oubre's trade value will likely decrease the longer you hold him, they likely don't want to pay him what he commands, and letting him walk for cap space probably doesn't net you a player like Kennard, who vastly improved in his 3rd season with over 4 apg and shot 40% from 3. Booker was at 4.7 apg in year 3 and 38.3% from 3. From 2 pt range, Kennard's actually better in year 3, over 49% while Booker was at 46% (but of course Booker REALLY improved this part last year, despite the regression from 3). I'm not saying he's Booker or will become a player nearly as good as him, but in ways he is on the same trajectory and improving quickly.
Another reason to get Kennard is you likely control him for 4-5 years.
And I'd still re-sign Baynes if we can, so your lineups are:
Rubio
Booker
Bridges
Johnson
Ayton
Payne
Carter
Kennard
Saric
Baynes
cberry78 wrote:Doesn't Kennard have some serious injury concerns though? Like long term, worse than Cam Johnson coming out of college, type of injury concerns? I thought i read as much on this forum somewhere.bwgood77 wrote:I think if they want to control cost and also get value for Oubre while they likely still can get some value, they should consider the Oubre for Kennard swap if it's still available. Not because he is as good, but because Oubre's trade value will likely decrease the longer you hold him, they likely don't want to pay him what he commands, and letting him walk for cap space probably doesn't net you a player like Kennard, who vastly improved in his 3rd season with over 4 apg and shot 40% from 3. Booker was at 4.7 apg in year 3 and 38.3% from 3. From 2 pt range, Kennard's actually better in year 3, over 49% while Booker was at 46% (but of course Booker REALLY improved this part last year, despite the regression from 3). I'm not saying he's Booker or will become a player nearly as good as him, but in ways he is on the same trajectory and improving quickly.
Another reason to get Kennard is you likely control him for 4-5 years.
And I'd still re-sign Baynes if we can, so your lineups are:
Rubio
Booker
Bridges
Johnson
Ayton
Payne
Carter
Kennard
Saric
Baynes
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bwgood77 wrote:cberry78 wrote:Doesn't Kennard have some serious injury concerns though? Like long term, worse than Cam Johnson coming out of college, type of injury concerns? I thought i read as much on this forum somewhere.bwgood77 wrote:I think if they want to control cost and also get value for Oubre while they likely still can get some value, they should consider the Oubre for Kennard swap if it's still available. Not because he is as good, but because Oubre's trade value will likely decrease the longer you hold him, they likely don't want to pay him what he commands, and letting him walk for cap space probably doesn't net you a player like Kennard, who vastly improved in his 3rd season with over 4 apg and shot 40% from 3. Booker was at 4.7 apg in year 3 and 38.3% from 3. From 2 pt range, Kennard's actually better in year 3, over 49% while Booker was at 46% (but of course Booker REALLY improved this part last year, despite the regression from 3). I'm not saying he's Booker or will become a player nearly as good as him, but in ways he is on the same trajectory and improving quickly.
Another reason to get Kennard is you likely control him for 4-5 years.
And I'd still re-sign Baynes if we can, so your lineups are:
Rubio
Booker
Bridges
Johnson
Ayton
Payne
Carter
Kennard
Saric
Baynes
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Not that I know of. He did have knee tendinitis this past year but was ready to go and completely healthy a few months ago.
Saberestar wrote:bwgood77 wrote:cberry78 wrote:Doesn't Kennard have some serious injury concerns though? Like long term, worse than Cam Johnson coming out of college, type of injury concerns? I thought i read as much on this forum somewhere.
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Not that I know of. He did have knee tendinitis this past year but was ready to go and completely healthy a few months ago.
Bilateral knee tendinitis that needs around 6 months to make a full recovery is concerning to me.
Every player can get injured at any time, not a player's fault at all, but this injury can be more of a chronic problem that can appear multiple times during his career. In that case his value and potential decrease considerably.
I expect that the Suns medical staff will look closely at this injury if Kennard is available again in trade talks with the Suns. Woj said in February that the package for Kennard was Carter, Okobo and our first round pick (#10).
cberry78 wrote:Saberestar wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Not that I know of. He did have knee tendinitis this past year but was ready to go and completely healthy a few months ago.
Bilateral knee tendinitis that needs around 6 months to make a full recovery is concerning to me.
Every player can get injured at any time, not a player's fault at all, but this injury can be more of a chronic problem that can appear multiple times during his career. In that case his value and potential decrease considerably.
I expect that the Suns medical staff will look closely at this injury if Kennard is available again in trade talks with the Suns. Woj said in February that the package for Kennard was Carter, Okobo and our first round pick (#10).
Thank you, I remembered it being something that affected both of his legs, but couldn't recall what it was. And I agree with the rest of your post too. Chronic conditions (especially of the knees!!!) is a huge red flag to me.
Saberestar wrote:bwgood77 wrote:cberry78 wrote:Doesn't Kennard have some serious injury concerns though? Like long term, worse than Cam Johnson coming out of college, type of injury concerns? I thought i read as much on this forum somewhere.
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Not that I know of. He did have knee tendinitis this past year but was ready to go and completely healthy a few months ago.
Bilateral knee tendinitis that needs around 6 months to make a full recovery is concerning to me.
Every player can get injured at any time, not a player's fault at all, but this injury can be more of a chronic problem that can appear multiple times during his career. In that case his value and potential decrease considerably.
I expect that the Suns medical staff will look closely at this injury if Kennard is available again in trade talks with the Suns. Woj said in February that the package for Kennard was Carter, Okobo and our first round pick (#10).
Sam Merrill, SG, Utah State
Has a huge fan in DukeCityVsEverybody, a founding member of the DBB Global Scouting Network, American Division. Awesome shooter with combo guard on-ball creativity at 6-foot-5, like a righty Luke Kennard. Already 24.
bwgood77 wrote:I think if they want to control cost and also get value for Oubre while they likely still can get some value, they should consider the Oubre for Kennard swap if it's still available. Not because he is as good, but because Oubre's trade value will likely decrease the longer you hold him, they likely don't want to pay him what he commands, and letting him walk for cap space probably doesn't net you a player like Kennard, who vastly improved in his 3rd season with over 4 apg and shot 40% from 3. Booker was at 4.7 apg in year 3 and 38.3% from 3. From 2 pt range, Kennard's actually better in year 3, over 49% while Booker was at 46% (but of course Booker REALLY improved this part last year, despite the regression from 3). I'm not saying he's Booker or will become a player nearly as good as him, but in ways he is on the same trajectory and improving quickly.
Another reason to get Kennard is you likely control him for 4-5 years.
Saberestar wrote:bwgood77 wrote:cberry78 wrote:Doesn't Kennard have some serious injury concerns though? Like long term, worse than Cam Johnson coming out of college, type of injury concerns? I thought i read as much on this forum somewhere.
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Not that I know of. He did have knee tendinitis this past year but was ready to go and completely healthy a few months ago.
Bilateral knee tendinitis that needs around 6 months to make a full recovery is concerning to me.
Every player can get injured at any time, not a player's fault at all, but this injury can be more of a chronic problem that can appear multiple times during his career. In that case his value and potential decrease considerably.
I expect that the Suns medical staff will look closely at this injury if Kennard is available again in trade talks with the Suns. Woj said in February that the package for Kennard was Carter, Okobo and our first round pick (#10).
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