The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 6)

[kayess]

I personally care about fmvp because 3 FMVPs in 3 different cities is gonna be the cornerstone of his GOAT argument

I still think it's going to be the 3-1 comeback against the GOAT team. The winning bias and RAANGZ folks suddenly coming around and giving him 1.5-2 ring equivalents was **** hilarious

[kayess]

Something I'm not sure has been brought up: weird for a LeBron team to feel somewhat "favored". Clips aren't looking too hot (and I constantly switch between "how are they actually beating the Lakers" to "how are the Clips actually going to lose if they're not being absolute morons"), Boston and Miami are super tough outs but the Lakers should still be favored...

[Freighttrain]

I personally care about fmvp because 3 FMVPs in 3 different cities is gonna be the cornerstone of his GOAT argument

But why though? Player movement has never been this big so it would be unfair to the older guys such as a Magic Johnson, Larry Bird or whomever to use that as a pro argument for LeBron to say that's a reason why he's the goat. The more obvious argument is his goat longevity at an MVP level I would say. Add a couple more rings to that and he would be the clear GOAT as well. But that's just me.

[Heej]

I personally care about fmvp because 3 FMVPs in 3 different cities is gonna be the cornerstone of his GOAT argument

But why though? Player movement has never been this big so it would be unfair to the older guys such as a Magic Johnson, Larry Bird or whomever to use that as a pro argument for LeBron to say that's a reason why he's the goat. The more obvious argument is his goat longevity at an MVP level I would say. Add a couple more rings to that and he would be the clear GOAT as well. But that's just me.

This is a chicken or egg type thing tho. Those guys never needed to leave like that because they had stacked rosters. Bron started the whole player empowerment era specifically because the Cavs couldn't construct a sound roster around him.

I understand the seemingly extraneous nature of such an accolade but it says a lot about his portability to be able to go anywhere and eventually machinate his way into making a winning roster. To me he's 2 of either an MVP or FMVP short of claiming GOAT once and for all. Doubt he'll get another MVP at this rate, this season and 2018 was his best chance, but 2 more FMVPs should seal the door shut. Especially considering he should've won it in 2015 anyway.

[MisterHibachi]

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[PistolPeteJR]

LeBron should've won the championship in 2015, the Cavs were a better team than the Warriors.

Impossible to know what would have happened, but I am fairly down on Lebron that year. His scoring throughout the playoffs was inefficient for his standards(his series vs the Bulls is probably the worst series in his prime years bar the 2011 finals).

Warriors looked way better once they switched to the death line-up. I don't think the Cavs figured out how to slow them down until the 2016 finals.

I think we can pretty safely say that LeBron would have been more efficient if defenses also had to worry about the likes of Irving and Love in '15.

[TheGOATRises007]

LeBron should've won the championship in 2015, the Cavs were a better team than the Warriors.

Impossible to know what would have happened, but I am fairly down on Lebron that year. His scoring throughout the playoffs was inefficient for his standards(his series vs the Bulls is probably the worst series in his prime years bar the 2011 finals).

Warriors looked way better once they switched to the death line-up. I don't think the Cavs figured out how to slow them down until the 2016 finals.

I think we can pretty safely say that LeBron would have been more efficient if defenses also had to worry about the likes of Irving and Love in '15.

They were there the entire regular season relatively and his scoring still declined from 2014.

I never thought he looked great(for Lebron standards) that entire 2015 season.

[Heej]

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Wtf Fertitta is one of my favorite owners now

Goddamn he might be cheap bastard but goddammit if he isn't one of those friendly old Texas white dudes that'll randomly ask you how your days goin while you're on line for something

[nbhadja]

I personally care about fmvp because 3 FMVPs in 3 different cities is gonna be the cornerstone of his GOAT argument

But why though? Player movement has never been this big so it would be unfair to the older guys such as a Magic Johnson, Larry Bird or whomever to use that as a pro argument for LeBron to say that's a reason why he's the goat. The more obvious argument is his goat longevity at an MVP level I would say. Add a couple more rings to that and he would be the clear GOAT as well. But that's just me.

It is true about player movement, but winning a ring with a new team, coach, and system is tough. It would be impressive to win a ring as the best player for 3 different franchises, coaches, systems, and rosters. No one can ever say it was the system or coach. It was him. Though I agree his longevity will be his biggest argument. An underrated argument for him is how he has done it in 2 distinctly different NBA eras. He was winning MVPs and making finals when teams had 2 big men on the floor and he has been doing it since the NBA switched to small ball.

[xb3at band1tx]

1. Michael Jordan - 33.45 ppg
2. Allen Iverson - 29.73 ppg
3. Anthony Davis - 29.26 ppg
4. Jerry West - 29.13 ppg
5. Kevin Durant - 29.09 ppg

Top 5 Playoff PPG Averages

[PistolPeteJR]

Impossible to know what would have happened, but I am fairly down on Lebron that year. His scoring throughout the playoffs was inefficient for his standards(his series vs the Bulls is probably the worst series in his prime years bar the 2011 finals).

Warriors looked way better once they switched to the death line-up. I don't think the Cavs figured out how to slow them down until the 2016 finals.

I think we can pretty safely say that LeBron would have been more efficient if defenses also had to worry about the likes of Irving and Love in '15.

They were there the entire regular season relatively and his scoring still declined from 2014.

I never thought he looked great(for Lebron standards) that entire 2015 season.

Well first off, I would also point to his bum back that year. Also, even with what you’re saying, I don’t think there’s denying that his efficiency rises with defenses having to focus on the other scoring threats.

[TheGOATRises007]

1. Michael Jordan - 33.45 ppg
2. Allen Iverson - 29.73 ppg
3. Anthony Davis - 29.26 ppg
4. Jerry West - 29.13 ppg
5. Kevin Durant - 29.09 ppg

Top 5 Playoff PPG Averages

What's the adjusted TS for those averages?

[xb3at band1tx]

1. Michael Jordan - 33.45 ppg
2. Allen Iverson - 29.73 ppg
3. Anthony Davis - 29.26 ppg
4. Jerry West - 29.13 ppg
5. Kevin Durant - 29.09 ppg

Top 5 Playoff PPG Averages

What's the adjusted TS for those averages?

Just overall career, still a small sample size for AD but I'm still enjoying his play.

[homecourtloss]

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Wtf Fertitta is one of my favorite owners now

He talks with Morey who believes James is basically the GOAT.

Amazing to see this type of graciousness, though,

[Baski]

Are the Nuggets really pulling this off?

[Baski]

Skip and Shannon gonna be lit today.

[Homer38]

Are the Nuggets really pulling this off?

maybe....up 15 with 4 minutes to go.

[xb3at band1tx]

I never want to hear Kawhi is better than Bron ever again LOL

[Homer38]

Denver!

[dreamshake]

If you'd told me the Bucks & Clippers would be gone before the conference finals . . .