100proof wrote:What would Utah look to get in a trade for Gobert.
I personally feel that the Celtics would be a perfect fit for Rudy and turn the team into the defensive equivalent of the offense the GSW created.
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100proof wrote:What would Utah look to get in a trade for Gobert.
I personally feel that the Celtics would be a perfect fit for Rudy and turn the team into the defensive equivalent of the offense the GSW created.
reapaman wrote:1) Try to Resign Mitchell at all cost, don't play with him.
2) Resign Jordan Clarkson even if its an overpay.
3) Draft BPA with 1st round pick (screw need and fit, go with BPA) and keep the player.
4) Wait out the free agent market. Don't sign old guys. Prioritize guys who can play wing and can shoot the three. You can work out your forward positions as the season goes on.
5) I didn't mention Gobert, Conley and Ingles because DL pretty much made his bed with them, Its too late to do anything worthwhile with them. The other guys on the team don't matter.
100proof wrote:What would Utah look to get in a trade for Gobert.
I personally feel that the Celtics would be a perfect fit for Rudy and turn the team into the defensive equivalent of the offense the GSW created.
GobertReport wrote:100proof wrote:What would Utah look to get in a trade for Gobert.
I personally feel that the Celtics would be a perfect fit for Rudy and turn the team into the defensive equivalent of the offense the GSW created.
Jaylen Brown
stitches wrote:reapaman wrote:1) Try to Resign Mitchell at all cost, don't play with him.
2) Resign Jordan Clarkson even if its an overpay.
3) Draft BPA with 1st round pick (screw need and fit, go with BPA) and keep the player.
4) Wait out the free agent market. Don't sign old guys. Prioritize guys who can play wing and can shoot the three. You can work out your forward positions as the season goes on.
5) I didn't mention Gobert, Conley and Ingles because DL pretty much made his bed with them, Its too late to do anything worthwhile with them. The other guys on the team don't matter.
To a huge degree I agree with 1, 3, 4 and 5. Especially agree with the "don't sign old guys" one. I want us to take some chances on young-ish 3 and D wings with size. I'm not that tied to Jordan Clarkson though... if the deal is good, I'd keep him. I wouldn't want for us to overpay for him.
GobertReport wrote:100proof wrote:What would Utah look to get in a trade for Gobert.
I personally feel that the Celtics would be a perfect fit for Rudy and turn the team into the defensive equivalent of the offense the GSW created.
Jaylen Brown
100proof wrote:when I asked about Gobert, I guess I didnt mean exclusively someone on Boston.
More less, what are team needs.
If you traded Gobert I would assume you would need a new center, etc. Is it a wing player that you want for Gobert? I cannot see getting either Smart or Brown for Gobert due to Rudy's offensive limitation and his contract situation.
100proof wrote:when I asked about Gobert, I guess I didnt mean exclusively someone on Boston.
More less, what are team needs.
If you traded Gobert I would assume you would need a new center, etc. Is it a wing player that you want for Gobert? I cannot see getting either Smart or Brown for Gobert due to Rudy's offensive limitation and his contract situation.
reapaman wrote:stitches wrote:reapaman wrote:1) Try to Resign Mitchell at all cost, don't play with him.
2) Resign Jordan Clarkson even if its an overpay.
3) Draft BPA with 1st round pick (screw need and fit, go with BPA) and keep the player.
4) Wait out the free agent market. Don't sign old guys. Prioritize guys who can play wing and can shoot the three. You can work out your forward positions as the season goes on.
5) I didn't mention Gobert, Conley and Ingles because DL pretty much made his bed with them, Its too late to do anything worthwhile with them. The other guys on the team don't matter.
To a huge degree I agree with 1, 3, 4 and 5. Especially agree with the "don't sign old guys" one. I want us to take some chances on young-ish 3 and D wings with size. I'm not that tied to Jordan Clarkson though... if the deal is good, I'd keep him. I wouldn't want for us to overpay for him.
I would agree with you in normal circumstances, but you have to remember that the salary cap is gonna take a huge dive the next few season due to the coronavirus and even new contracts don't always adjust properly to accommodate teams. Unless your gonna let both Gobert and Conley walk for nothing then the timing of their contracts (along with ingles having an extra year and Mitchell getting the max) screws us, because Mitchell and whatever Gobert gets (or we him trade for) could easily put us over the cap for a while (not to mention keeping or replacing conley). I doubt you find a player better than Clarkson with the MLE. I've been a Jazz fan for too long, I know how these situations usually work out.
stitches wrote:100proof wrote:when I asked about Gobert, I guess I didnt mean exclusively someone on Boston.
More less, what are team needs.
If you traded Gobert I would assume you would need a new center, etc. Is it a wing player that you want for Gobert? I cannot see getting either Smart or Brown for Gobert due to Rudy's offensive limitation and his contract situation.
The answer is still - a Jaylen Brown. Lol... that's the type we need most. I have no idea why you think any team can have Gobert for anything less than a Smart or a Brown... and especially Smart? Like... wut? You want 2 time DPOY, 3 time consecutive first team all-D, Western conference all star, and 3 consecutive times all-NBA player and you don't want to give up a Marcus Smart for that? Yeah... that's not going to happen. What did you want to give up for Gobert? no. 30 and Haywood? LOL Thanks but no thanks...
If we traded Gobert... a center might indeed be in the return package. I've pondered some packages including Myles Turner or Jarret Allen, but I don't think that's a requirement. I'd be good with giving our MLE to someone like Derrick Favors to come back and start for us if we lost Gobert.
100proof wrote:stitches wrote:100proof wrote:when I asked about Gobert, I guess I didnt mean exclusively someone on Boston.
More less, what are team needs.
If you traded Gobert I would assume you would need a new center, etc. Is it a wing player that you want for Gobert? I cannot see getting either Smart or Brown for Gobert due to Rudy's offensive limitation and his contract situation.
The answer is still - a Jaylen Brown. Lol... that's the type we need most. I have no idea why you think any team can have Gobert for anything less than a Smart or a Brown... and especially Smart? Like... wut? You want 2 time DPOY, 3 time consecutive first team all-D, Western conference all star, and 3 consecutive times all-NBA player and you don't want to give up a Marcus Smart for that? Yeah... that's not going to happen. What did you want to give up for Gobert? no. 30 and Haywood? LOL Thanks but no thanks...
If we traded Gobert... a center might indeed be in the return package. I've pondered some packages including Myles Turner or Jarret Allen, but I don't think that's a requirement. I'd be good with giving our MLE to someone like Derrick Favors to come back and start for us if we lost Gobert.
A player like MArcus Smart I would trade, cannot see Danny Ainge ever trading Marcus though. he is the celtics.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:I bet we could get Hayward back...
100proof wrote:A player like MArcus Smart I would trade, cannot see Danny Ainge ever trading Marcus though. he is the celtics.
vryadli wrote:OK, all that posts on this thread convinced me that Jazz has to trade Gobert the sooner the better. For what? I don't think it is important at all. For the next 5-7 years spent in the bottom of the league it will hardly matter. Utah will enjoy trades and spectacular DM offense as mach as Lakers did Kobe-years after Shaq trade.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
stitches wrote:100proof wrote:A player like MArcus Smart I would trade, cannot see Danny Ainge ever trading Marcus though. he is the celtics.
I see... so what's going to be the offer then?
KqWIN wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:The Nuggets beat us without Barton and they lacked Harris for several games too so it's not like we were the only ones missing players. And we did manage a 3-1 lead without Bojan, so I don't think missing him is why we lost. Also, our biggest problem was on defense, where he wouldn't have helped that much. Our offense was fine.
And this version of DEN just beat the title favorites. This season is wide open. Jazz missed their greatest opportunity to compete for a championship. Even without Bogey, you can't say this team couldn't compete with the best.
This was 10000% the year to go all in...Just major failure on Conley and major fail on the prioritizing winning. The Jazz won't have this opportunity again for decades. The combination of the Warriors dynasty ending, "green" superteams like the Clippers, and the cap situation where our two best players cost less than one max will not happen again.
Good on DEN for capitalizing, massive blown opportunity for UTA.
stitches wrote:100proof wrote:when I asked about Gobert, I guess I didnt mean exclusively someone on Boston.
More less, what are team needs.
If you traded Gobert I would assume you would need a new center, etc. Is it a wing player that you want for Gobert? I cannot see getting either Smart or Brown for Gobert due to Rudy's offensive limitation and his contract situation.
The answer is still - a Jaylen Brown. Lol... that's the type we need most. I have no idea why you think any team can have Gobert for anything less than a Smart or a Brown... and especially Smart? Like... wut? You want 2 time DPOY, 3 time consecutive first team all-D, Western conference all star, and 3 consecutive times all-NBA player and you don't want to give up a Marcus Smart for that? Yeah... that's not going to happen. What did you want to give up for Gobert? no. 30 and Haywood? LOL Thanks but no thanks...
If we traded Gobert... a center might indeed be in the return package. I've pondered some packages including Myles Turner or Jarret Allen, but I don't think that's a requirement. I'd be good with giving our MLE to someone like Derrick Favors to come back and start for us if we lost Gobert.