Rasho Brezec wrote:This thread doing a good job convincing mpharris to vote Trump.
Here comes the alt-right brigade
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Rasho Brezec wrote:This thread doing a good job convincing mpharris to vote Trump.
K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:You're not arguing in good faith because you're just resorting to rhetorical fallacies and evading the points against him
You also don't disagree with his policies, as they are very much in line with the current Republican party, you just wish he were less of a dick about it. Your issue is with the man, not the ideas, but you fail to realize the ideas of the Republicans are always gonna lead to people like Trump being in charge.
The republican party was founded with Abraham Lincoln as its first president for the party (arguably the best president in our history). I don't see how you can make those assertions.
Trump was a registered democrat in the 2000's. So this idea that republicans are always like trump is just wrong.
If Tim Scott wanted to run and he was running against trump I would vote for Tim Scott (I like him significantly better). But I don't think he wants to run too much sh*t comes with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
GONYK wrote:K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
The republican party was founded with Abraham Lincoln as its first president for the party (arguably the best president in our history). I don't see how you can make those assertions.
Trump was a registered democrat in the 2000's. So this idea that republicans are always like trump is just wrong.
If Tim Scott wanted to run and he was running against trump I would vote for Tim Scott (I like him significantly better). But I don't think he wants to run too much sh*t comes with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
Also, the Republican party of Lincoln is what became the Democrat party of today.
Lincoln was anti-slavery and thought federal power should supercede states rights regarding slavery. In fact, he used federal power to defeat the socially conservative south and ensure the Union.
Lincoln also protested the Mexican American War, opposed free trade, instituted free public colleges and put in place the income tax.
K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:You're not arguing in good faith because you're just resorting to rhetorical fallacies and evading the points against him
You also don't disagree with his policies, as they are very much in line with the current Republican party, you just wish he were less of a dick about it. Your issue is with the man, not the ideas, but you fail to realize the ideas of the Republicans are always gonna lead to people like Trump being in charge.
The republican party was founded with Abraham Lincoln as its first president for the party (arguably the best president in our history). I don't see how you can make those assertions.
Trump was a registered democrat in the 2000's. So this idea that republicans are always like trump is just wrong.
If Tim Scott wanted to run and he was running against trump I would vote for Tim Scott (I like him significantly better). But I don't think he wants to run too much sh*t comes with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
Upon his taking office in 1969, Nixon also put into effect America’s first affirmative action program. Dubbed the Philadelphia Plan, it imposed racial goals and timetables on the building trade unions, first in Philadelphia and then elsewhere. Now, would a man seeking to build an electoral base of Deep South white supremacists actually promote the first program to legally discriminate in favor of blacks? This is absurd.
Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party.
Rasho Brezec wrote:This thread doing a good job convincing mpharris to vote Trump.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:This is crazy. The Trump administration is allegedly sterilizing women in ICE detention against their will according to a whistleblower, Dawn Wooten, a nurse at one of the facilities.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/like-an-experimental-concentration-camp-whistleblower-complaint-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center/
What are you CNN? NOWHERE is Trump mentioned in there. This is private jails. Are you suggesting this is being ordered by the Trump admin? What makes you say that? I hate when I have to play devil's advocate but your claim needs an explanation.
I’m much better than CNN. Just stick with me and you’ll be fine.
Let me ask you this, why would the hospitals do this on their own? That actually makes less sense.
mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
The republican party was founded with Abraham Lincoln as its first president for the party (arguably the best president in our history). I don't see how you can make those assertions.
Trump was a registered democrat in the 2000's. So this idea that republicans are always like trump is just wrong.
If Tim Scott wanted to run and he was running against trump I would vote for Tim Scott (I like him significantly better). But I don't think he wants to run too much sh*t comes with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/402754-the-myth-of-nixons-southern-strategyUpon his taking office in 1969, Nixon also put into effect America’s first affirmative action program. Dubbed the Philadelphia Plan, it imposed racial goals and timetables on the building trade unions, first in Philadelphia and then elsewhere. Now, would a man seeking to build an electoral base of Deep South white supremacists actually promote the first program to legally discriminate in favor of blacks? This is absurd.Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party.
He barely even campaigned in the south. Unless you believe he covertly sent secret codes to the dumb racists down south. It was more due to the fact the south was industrializing. And it wasn't until the 1980's and 1990's the south completely switched and that was more due to Reagan where he preached the conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity.
If you want to go back in history you should read up on Southern Democrats.
mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
The republican party was founded with Abraham Lincoln as its first president for the party (arguably the best president in our history). I don't see how you can make those assertions.
Trump was a registered democrat in the 2000's. So this idea that republicans are always like trump is just wrong.
If Tim Scott wanted to run and he was running against trump I would vote for Tim Scott (I like him significantly better). But I don't think he wants to run too much sh*t comes with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/402754-the-myth-of-nixons-southern-strategyUpon his taking office in 1969, Nixon also put into effect America’s first affirmative action program. Dubbed the Philadelphia Plan, it imposed racial goals and timetables on the building trade unions, first in Philadelphia and then elsewhere. Now, would a man seeking to build an electoral base of Deep South white supremacists actually promote the first program to legally discriminate in favor of blacks? This is absurd.Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party.
He barely even campaigned in the south. Unless you believe he covertly sent secret codes to the dumb racists down south. It was more due to the fact the south was industrializing. And it wasn't until the 1980's and 1990's the south completely switched and that was more due to Reagan where he preached the conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity.
If you want to go back in history you should read up on Southern Democrats.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Bernie hater, James Carville admits that Bernie's (and Wingo's) critique of Biden's campaign messages is correct.
mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
The republican party was founded with Abraham Lincoln as its first president for the party (arguably the best president in our history). I don't see how you can make those assertions.
Trump was a registered democrat in the 2000's. So this idea that republicans are always like trump is just wrong.
If Tim Scott wanted to run and he was running against trump I would vote for Tim Scott (I like him significantly better). But I don't think he wants to run too much sh*t comes with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/402754-the-myth-of-nixons-southern-strategyUpon his taking office in 1969, Nixon also put into effect America’s first affirmative action program. Dubbed the Philadelphia Plan, it imposed racial goals and timetables on the building trade unions, first in Philadelphia and then elsewhere. Now, would a man seeking to build an electoral base of Deep South white supremacists actually promote the first program to legally discriminate in favor of blacks? This is absurd.Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party.
He barely even campaigned in the south. Unless you believe he covertly sent secret codes to the dumb racists down south. It was more due to the fact the south was industrializing. And it wasn't until the 1980's and 1990's the south completely switched and that was more due to Reagan where he preached the conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity.
If you want to go back in history you should read up on Southern Democrats.
K-DOT wrote:GONYK wrote:K-DOT wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
Also, the Republican party of Lincoln is what became the Democrat party of today.
Lincoln was anti-slavery and thought federal power should supercede states rights regarding slavery. In fact, he used federal power to defeat the socially conservative south and ensure the Union.
Lincoln also protested the Mexican American War, opposed free trade, instituted free public colleges and put in place the income tax.
All you have to do is go to a rally for each party
One has Confederate flags, the other does not
The ones who wave the flag of traitors claim to be the Party of Lincoln, who fought against the ones who waived that same flag.
K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Tim Scott votes in line with Trump 94% of the time.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/tim-scott/
Which is like, top 10 in the Senate. Really just proving my point that your issue isn't the policy, just the way he says it. You want him to stop saying the quiet part out loud.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/402754-the-myth-of-nixons-southern-strategyUpon his taking office in 1969, Nixon also put into effect America’s first affirmative action program. Dubbed the Philadelphia Plan, it imposed racial goals and timetables on the building trade unions, first in Philadelphia and then elsewhere. Now, would a man seeking to build an electoral base of Deep South white supremacists actually promote the first program to legally discriminate in favor of blacks? This is absurd.Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party.
He barely even campaigned in the south. Unless you believe he covertly sent secret codes to the dumb racists down south. It was more due to the fact the south was industrializing. And it wasn't until the 1980's and 1990's the south completely switched and that was more due to Reagan where he preached the conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity.
If you want to go back in history you should read up on Southern Democrats.
I genuinely don't know how to talk to someone who denies objective reality
Like, this stuff happened. Fake historian Dinesh D'Souza is not a valid source on the matter when we have literal quotes from the people involved at the time explaining what they were trying to do. He also lies in that first quote, LBJ created the first affirmative action program, not Nixon. Really not that hard to find, and shows he's not arguing in good faith
AND YES HE DID send codes to the dumb racists, that's what dog whistles are for, for f*ck's sake. Do I need to post the Nixon strategist quote where he literally says they can't say the n-word so they have to code it but people know what they're talking about again?
You're quoting actual propaganda. What's next, are you gonna sell me on the "lost cause" of the Confederacy, that it wasn't about slavery but States' Rights? Or will it be "actually, the Nazis were socialists"?
Facts don't care about your feelings mp. I know you don't think you're racist, and you don't want to be associated with racists, but you are associating with them. The modern Republican party was built on a foundation of racism, and people like Trump are its inevitable conclusion. And you ignoring history and propagating lies to make yourself feel better about supporting these people is not something a good person does.
mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:GONYK wrote:
Also, the Republican party of Lincoln is what became the Democrat party of today.
Lincoln was anti-slavery and thought federal power should supercede states rights regarding slavery. In fact, he used federal power to defeat the socially conservative south and ensure the Union.
Lincoln also protested the Mexican American War, opposed free trade, instituted free public colleges and put in place the income tax.
All you have to do is go to a rally for each party
One has Confederate flags, the other does not
The ones who wave the flag of traitors claim to be the Party of Lincoln, who fought against the ones who waived that same flag.
Again I can't speak for everyone. I am not from the south, I have no family or affiliation with the confederate flag. Butfreedom of speech is a constitutional right and even if we don't like something we have to deal with it...because the alternative is to have the gov't suppress freedom of speech and who would be in charge of what should be suppressed and what can not?
Don't get me wrong, send all the racist to hell. If I knew someone in my life was racist I wouldn't associate with them. If I was buying coffee from a known racist I would go somewhere else because I wouldn't support his business. My point is the people should suppress racists by not giving them the time of day instead of lumping everyone within a political party a racist.
mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:GONYK wrote:
Also, the Republican party of Lincoln is what became the Democrat party of today.
Lincoln was anti-slavery and thought federal power should supercede states rights regarding slavery. In fact, he used federal power to defeat the socially conservative south and ensure the Union.
Lincoln also protested the Mexican American War, opposed free trade, instituted free public colleges and put in place the income tax.
All you have to do is go to a rally for each party
One has Confederate flags, the other does not
The ones who wave the flag of traitors claim to be the Party of Lincoln, who fought against the ones who waived that same flag.
Again I can't speak for everyone. I am not from the south, I have no family or affiliation with the confederate flag. Butfreedom of speech is a constitutional right and even if we don't like something we have to deal with it...because the alternative is to have the gov't suppress freedom of speech and who would be in charge of what should be suppressed and what can not?
Don't get me wrong, send all the racist to hell. If I knew someone in my life was racist I wouldn't associate with them. If I was buying coffee from a known racist I would go somewhere else because I wouldn't support his business. My point is the people should suppress racists by not giving them the time of day instead of lumping everyone within a political party a racist.
Romney had pushed for the adoption of a civil rights plank to the 1964 Republican platform, but his efforts failed miserably. Instead, Goldwater’s nomination marked a full embrace of a strategy that sought to win the votes of white Southern Democrats disillusioned by their party’s embrace of reforms aimed at racial equity. Today’s GOP is still informed by this “Southern strategy.”
mpharris36 wrote:K-DOT wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/402754-the-myth-of-nixons-southern-strategy
He barely even campaigned in the south. Unless you believe he covertly sent secret codes to the dumb racists down south. It was more due to the fact the south was industrializing. And it wasn't until the 1980's and 1990's the south completely switched and that was more due to Reagan where he preached the conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity.
If you want to go back in history you should read up on Southern Democrats.
I genuinely don't know how to talk to someone who denies objective reality
Like, this stuff happened. Fake historian Dinesh D'Souza is not a valid source on the matter when we have literal quotes from the people involved at the time explaining what they were trying to do. He also lies in that first quote, LBJ created the first affirmative action program, not Nixon. Really not that hard to find, and shows he's not arguing in good faith
AND YES HE DID send codes to the dumb racists, that's what dog whistles are for, for f*ck's sake. Do I need to post the Nixon strategist quote where he literally says they can't say the n-word so they have to code it but people know what they're talking about again?
You're quoting actual propaganda. What's next, are you gonna sell me on the "lost cause" of the Confederacy, that it wasn't about slavery but States' Rights? Or will it be "actually, the Nazis were socialists"?
Facts don't care about your feelings mp. I know you don't think you're racist, and you don't want to be associated with racists, but you are associating with them. The modern Republican party was built on a foundation of racism, and people like Trump are its inevitable conclusion. And you ignoring history and propagating lies to make yourself feel better about supporting these people is not something a good person does.
KDOT you have used Wikipedia a few times and want to lecture me on valid sources?
So we got the crux. You are calling me a racist because of the way I vote. Well done. Glad we settled that.
2010 wrote:I will never call mpharris a racist. I respect him and firmly believe he has no malice. He's just sort of like Dolan. His alliances be kinda shakey (Trump, republican'ts, police officers, etc.)