DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:?s=21
Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves
HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?
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DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:?s=21
Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves
Juco24 wrote:DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:?s=21
Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves
HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?
Juco24 wrote:DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:?s=21
Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves
HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?
jermsknicks wrote:Juco24 wrote:DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:?s=21
Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves
HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?
I am buying the 2021 Draft hype, so I would rather part with Frank than any 2021 picks. This also must mean we are drafting a PG.
2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.
omerome wrote:2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.
Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?
Pass.
Angryfatboy wrote:jermsknicks wrote:Juco24 wrote:
HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?
I am buying the 2021 Draft hype, so I would rather part with Frank than any 2021 picks. This also must mean we are drafting a PG.
Are or aren’t? Lol
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:?s=21
Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves
2010 wrote:omerome wrote:2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.
Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?
Pass.
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.
As of for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.
Juco24 wrote:DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:?s=21
Lmao frank and knox for a 36 year old pg. this typical knicksy moves
HAS SCOOP EVER BEEN RIGHT?
2010 wrote:omerome wrote:2010 wrote:Chris Paul just made All NBA 2nd Team. And you people loathe Knox. Yet you hate that aspect of the deal? I am disapoint.
Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?
Pass.
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.
As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.
thebuzzardman wrote:2010 wrote:omerome wrote:Not a fan of paying Paul 38M+ a year just so he can help us win, what? 10 more games this season probably?
Pass.
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.
As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.
But this is a risk squared or cubed.
There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.
That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.
Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.
This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70
That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.
Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses
2010 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:2010 wrote:
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.
As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.
But this is a risk squared or cubed.
There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.
That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.
Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.
This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70
That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.
Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses
Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.
thebuzzardman wrote:2010 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.
But this is a risk squared or cubed.
There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.
That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.
Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.
This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70
That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.
Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses
Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.
Good analogy with Cano\Mets
Asking for a friend - if we go through through a few years of low return for the $, will Steve Cohen be buying the Knicks?
Because that would make it all worth it
thebuzzardman wrote:So, Portis and Payton are filler and could just about be cut, and the "trade" revolves around getting the Knicks last 2 #1 picks besides RJ, and then 2 2nd round picks
Crafty by Presti as he gets a year to try and buy Frank (in this regard if Knicks aren't high on Frank, they are accelerating his exit by a year) and get Knox controlled for 2 more years. And they get TWO #2 picks in a deep draft where there isn't the same salary commitment as there is with first rounders.
I'd tell Presti to f*ck off on the following:
Frank or Know - and honestly both
The 2021 2nd rounders
Again, if the 2021 draft is the wonderful, deep, double draft, then potentially useful players will fall, at least to the high 2nd Charlotte has. Granted, less likely for the 2nd rounder the Mavs have, which will be 54ish.
*edit*
Trade smells like BS. Why does OKC want two PG's back? What purpose does taking on the salary of Portis AND Payton fulfill when they can trade Paul into the Knicks cap space? Is there any reason the Knicks would want to pick up their option just for this purpose - some subtle cap magic I'm missing?
thebuzzardman wrote:2010 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.
But this is a risk squared or cubed.
There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.
That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.
Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.
This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70
That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.
Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses
Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.
Good analogy with Cano\Mets
Asking for a friend - if we go through through a few years of low return for the $, will Steve Cohen be buying the Knicks?
Because that would make it all worth it
2010 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:2010 wrote:
I'm not exactly advocating for Paul to NY. I'm just saying people can't say that Knox is hot smoldering garbage but then cry when he is a main piece in obtaining an All NBA 2nd Teamer.
As for pursuing CP. I can see Leon Rose's logic, although I am not actively advocating for it. I think he and Thibs want to start fostering a winning culture and mindset. We need to be competitive like YESTERDAY. Perceptions have to change and it starts in the win column. There is no use in naming Thibs your head coach then not getting him horses. I think the idea is to start winning now while simultaneously using player development to get our kids up to speed. Kind of like a smooth handoff in a relay race.
So, I agree with all your takes, and why they might go for Paul etc.
But this is a risk squared or cubed.
There is the normal risk of trading for a guy who'll be 36/37 and making 40 million per
There is the inevitable "Lolz! Same old Knicks" that will IMMEDIATELY start blasting forth from BSPN and the Twitterverse
There is the risk³ of Paul going down with injury and not playing much and the Knicks will be blasted FULL TIME as a laughingstock in the media. Which nowadays seems to mean around the league, as the players seem to ingest 80% of their information from the semi informed press.
That's a helluva risk for a new POBO/FO to take
Rose's tenure could be over as it starts.
Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating. But the heat the Knicks would take, and the blow to "reputation" and "culture" IF Paul is traded for an then has injury issues would be massive.
This thought just came to me, so anyone feel free to add. I think it's a risk too big to take now.
If Paul was 32 even, without an injury history, sure. I could see it.
But this is a guy who'll be at a pretty advanced bball age, especially for a guard, with a fairly significant injury history.
61
58
58
70
That's his last 4 years. Seems more likely he'll play 60 than 70.
Then again, while it's not that great for any player and awful for a guy making 40 million, he's add to culture when playing/practicing, and missing time will add up those losses
Yeah, it's definitely a risk. Rose acquiring CP is like Brodie acquiring Cano. I think the familiarity with their former client makes them comfortable taking the risk. The main difference is ultimately I don't think the Knicks will be paying the price the Mets paid to obtain the marquee name.