Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

Post #541 » by **Prez** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:18 pm

LeBron, his idiotic fanbase and his ball washers in the media can all suck it. Giannis won and thoroughly deserved his MVP/DPOY, it's over. It happened. 20 years from now it'll still be the case. There's nothing anyone can do to change it.

jakecronus8 · Post #542 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:21 pm

Prez wrote:LeBron, his idiotic fanbase and his ball washers in the media can all suck it. Giannis won and thoroughly deserved his MVP/DPOY, it's over. It happened. 20 years from now it'll still be the case. There's nothing anyone can do to change it.

Pretty much. Lebron’s career has been a spectacular display of water carrying and excuse making. Giannis just had arguably the greatest individual season ever and Lebron and the media are acting like Lebron should’ve won it anonymously.

Side note: whether intended by Lebron and the Lakers or not, the Kobe slant is disgusting and cheap.

tonyreyes123 · Post #543 » by **tonyreyes123** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:30 pm

LeBron is just laying the groundwork for next seasons MVP when it’s him vs Doncic

jakecronus8 · Post #544 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:34 pm

tonyreyes123 wrote:LeBron is just laying the groundwork for next seasons MVP when it’s him vs Doncic

Can totally see it. I would probably lean towards Giannis not getting another one based on reaction to this one which is pretty damn funny all things considered. I hope the media doesn’t allow Lebron and national outlets to bully them into Lebron or anyone else undeserving.

Frank Nova · Post #545 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:35 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
Prez wrote:LeBron, his idiotic fanbase and his ball washers in the media can all suck it. Giannis won and thoroughly deserved his MVP/DPOY, it's over. It happened. 20 years from now it'll still be the case. There's nothing anyone can do to change it.

Pretty much. Lebron’s career has been a spectacular display of water carrying and excuse making. Giannis just had arguably the greatest individual season ever and Lebron and the media are acting like Lebron should’ve won it anonymously.

Side note: whether intended by Lebron and the Lakers or not, the Kobe slant is disgusting and cheap.

The easiest case to make against Lebron is he isn’t even the best player on his team at this point. Regardless of what any Lebron fan boy may say, that’s just a factual statement. Leading the league in assists with a monster usage rate and constant deferring to a superior player isn’t really that great of an accomplish. And that’s his big accolade for this season that ppl continue to argue his case is leading the league in assists at age 36. It’s great and all but not overly impressive imho.

For the sake of argument, Lebrons teammate was 1st team all NBA, Giannis teammate was honorable mention 3rd team at best. Giannis has the best PER in league history and led his team to the best record in the league.

Where is this closable gap that ppl continue arguing that it should’ve been Lebron? It’s 100% non existent. Even those 16 1st place votes were nothing more than name recognition votes because it’s Lebron James.

Post #546 » by **Prez** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:39 pm

Yeah, LeBron should've gotten 0 1st place votes. The outrage over him "only" getting 16 is hilarious. Giannis had clearly the best raw production, was off the charts good in all advanced/impact metrics, literally set the PER record topping any Jordan/LeBron/Wilt season, lead the best team in the league on both ends, was the DPOY and historically efficient offensively. It was as clear an MVP as it gets, should've been a 2016 Curry, 2013 LeBron type race and the only reason it wasn't is because he plays in Milwaukee and not Miami or the Bay Area.

jimmybones · Post #547 » by **jimmybones** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:40 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Do you guys ever think Giannis could or would want to play center full time? I just keep imagining him out there making plays like Jokic from the 5...

I don't know if he'd want to but to me he's a dream small ball 5 in today's NBA. I like Brook but I think we need to get more athletic and a quicker stretch 4 with Giannis as the 5 vs GA/Brook would be my ideal outcome.

Defensively, I know Giannis can't be the help defender as much then but so what, he can still man the paint. There's like no true big men anymore anyways. A beefier backup C that can move Giannis back to the 4 at times and matchup up with the few teams that are big works fine for me.

The wall is always going to be a thing and to beat that we not only need shooters but guys that can beat closeouts off the dribble. Again, love Brook, but this offseason I'd sign off on moving him and Bled for a tinkered model of what we already have that's smaller but quicker.

PG (like, a real one)
Wes/DDV
Midd
stretch 4
Giannis/Rolo(?)

KidA24 · Post #548 » by **KidA24** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:15 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
Prez wrote:LeBron, his idiotic fanbase and his ball washers in the media can all suck it. Giannis won and thoroughly deserved his MVP/DPOY, it's over. It happened. 20 years from now it'll still be the case. There's nothing anyone can do to change it.

Pretty much. Lebron’s career has been a spectacular display of water carrying and excuse making. Giannis just had arguably the greatest individual season ever and Lebron and the media are acting like Lebron should’ve won it anonymously.

Side note: whether intended by Lebron and the Lakers or not, the Kobe slant is disgusting and cheap.

I don't think that word means what you think it means

KidA24 · Post #549 » by **KidA24** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:16 pm

Fotis St wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
Bucks should have been really proactive and trade for a Superstar since he signed that 100M / 4y contract ... unfortunately the only player they have to show is a massive overpaid Khris who was already here.

So I guess in the meeting Giannis promised he will give his heart and soul next season, once more and the Bucks Org is basically on a one year test - show me status

You saying Middleton was a massive overpay is just further confirmation that I made a swell choice putting you on ignore a long time ago.

Yes , Khris is massively overpaid some here admit it ... he is paid like a SuperStar Top tier player and he isn't that, and Idc about your ignore list, nobody asked you

Khris was the 19th highest paid player in the league this year. That's probably about right. The Bucks problem with roster building is that they got absolutely nothing from anyone on a rookie or 2nd deal this season.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #550 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:23 pm

I absolutely love how genuine and honest LeBron is being about how he feels. It's so refreshing in this era where everybody is muted and fake respectful.

jakecronus8 · Post #551 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:31 pm

KidA24 wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
Prez wrote:LeBron, his idiotic fanbase and his ball washers in the media can all suck it. Giannis won and thoroughly deserved his MVP/DPOY, it's over. It happened. 20 years from now it'll still be the case. There's nothing anyone can do to change it.

Pretty much. Lebron’s career has been a spectacular display of water carrying and excuse making. Giannis just had arguably the greatest individual season ever and Lebron and the media are acting like Lebron should’ve won it anonymously.

Side note: whether intended by Lebron and the Lakers or not, the Kobe slant is disgusting and cheap.

I don't think that word means what you think it means

iOS14 ruins everything

CharityStripe34 · Post #552 » by **CharityStripe34** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:06 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Do you guys ever think Giannis could or would want to play center full time? I just keep imagining him out there making plays like Jokic from the 5...

It makes the most sense in today's NBA. PFs and Cs are interchangeable just like wings are at this point. Even Embiid who is three inches and 25lbs heavier than Gianni doesn't ever "destroy" him in the post when Freak guards him. The second the playoffs ended I was thinking of moving Brook and Bledsoe and how to retool the roster to gain some athleticism and better passing/pace.

Gianni, to me, is the evolutionary Garnett with wing skills, a transition game and more athleticism. Length, rangy and a superlative defensive presence. His game should revolve around the mid-range 18-feet and in. I think the Bucks and specifically Bud is miscasting him as LeBron/KD like. He may have good handles and good passing skills for a 6'11" freak athlete but that doesn't mean he should be at the top of the key or behind the three-point line. His point of attack should come closer to the basket where his Euro steps and go-go-gadget tentacles can get him easier shot attempts to beat double teams quicker. Not to mention when he's off ball (if the Bucks get a better PG) he's a major threat for offensive putbacks and second chance opportunities in general.

Which is why he still isn't a finished product and can definitely add some polishing and repertoire. I'm not asking him to become Prime Hakeem, as Dream's footwork may never be seen again, but he can definitely add 2-3 regularly used moves out of the post and at both elbows near the FT line. I think it was Game 3 against Miami where Bud put him at the mid-post (the nail/elbow area) and it resulted in literally 5 positive outcomes (a score, FT attempts or easy assist). For those who may say he has no post moves conveniently may be ignoring his turn-around baby hook and fadeaway that he was using all season long. I was pretty mystified as to why he suddenly abandoned them in the playoffs.

I don't mind him taking 3-4 threes a game within the flow of the offense, and especially catch-and-shoot where he seems a bit more comfortable and doesn't have to think about it. I worry that as good of a coach as Bud is, his system is too D'Antoni-esque and not the right type of offense for a player like Gianni. His jumper looked much more comfortable between 15-18 feet all year (and generally). I don't think it'd be hard to call Garnett and maybe Kevin McHale to work with them in the off-season on polishing up his mid-range game, giving him more options. I mention McHale because he's sort of a forgotten post-up legend who was tall and gangly with ridiculously long arms. Obviously not as athletic as Gianni but he could easily show him some stuff. Garnett can work with him on how to feel the defense for a double-team and recognize specific match-ups. Smaller, shorter SF defenders? Post them up, they almost always double-team. Similarly sized or bigger guys? Face up and with one or two counter-moves get to the rim in two steps.

And, for God's sake, some avid filmmaker should make a reel out of him shooting 73-74% from the line for the majority of his career to show him that there's no reason why he can't be a decent FT shooter. Hire a psychologist or whatever.

Bottom line being that I still don't think he's a finished product at the age of 25. There's definitely room to grow and mature as a player and he definitely has the dedication to learn. The thing I'm wondering is if this coaching staff/system will be the ones to get him there. I'm hoping Horst and the owners are considering every conceivable option to assist Freak to expand his game and put the right type of players around him. Generational players don't grow on trees.

pifhluk23 · Post #553 » by **pifhluk23** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:08 pm

Every year its the same thing. MVP is a regular season award and its "most valuable." Giannis was far and away the best regular season player and the most valuable to his team, he should have gotten every single vote. Whiny Bron wasn't even the MVP of the Lakers during the season...

theFireBlanket · Post #554 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:23 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:I absolutely love how genuine and honest LeBron is being about how he feels. It's so refreshing in this era where everybody is muted and fake respectful.

Yeah, it was wonderful when James Harden did the same thing last year.

And they'll now both get to watch Giannis come back even better.

That's the beautiful part.

theFireBlanket · Post #555 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:37 pm

Giannis is going to go crazy next year.

Thank you, LeBron... Seriously.

When Harden goes after you, that's one thing. But now LeBron getting on that pedestal.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #556 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:43 pm

hiII is a soIid pg who can make shots handIes pressure... he has been for awhiIe. when hes on we stiII Iose. giannis game is horribIy iII suited for pIayoff crunch time shot making and the system buiIt around him compounds it. its not about the supporting cast for me. im not feeIing good about things moving forward.

emunney · Post #557 » by **emunney** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:30 am

Plenty of years LeBron should have won it and didn't, but this ain't one and there likely won't be another.

emunney · Post #558 » by **emunney** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:32 am

I want to play with another top 5 player, but also I want more credit for winning fewer games.

AussieBuck · Post #559 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:46 am

Lebron crying about MVP has cheered me up more than Giannis winning. :lol:

Nowak008 · Post #560 » by **Nowak008** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:40 am

emunney wrote:Plenty of years LeBron should have won it and didn't, but this ain't one and there likely won't be another.

What years do you think that he should have won?

I don't think Lebron should have won any of the last 6 years. The year Durant won it, the Heat had the 6th best record in the league and sleep walked through the regular season. I think the only one you could argue is the year Rose won it. Lebron wasn't going to win the award based on the backlash of the not 5...not 6 comments. But the Bulls did win 62 games that year and finished with a better record than the Heat did.