Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[Prez]

Plenty of years LeBron should have won it and didn't, but this ain't one and there likely won't be another.

What years do you think that he should have won?

I don't think Lebron should have won any of the last 6 years. The year Durant won it, the Heat had the 6th best record in the league and sleep walked through the regular season. I think the only one you could argue is the year Rose won it. Lebron wasn't going to win the award based on the backlash of the not 5...not 6 comments. But the Bulls did win 62 games that year and finished with a better record than the Heat did.

2011 Rose definitely shouldn't have won it, a pure narrative/fun story award + best record sealed it. But in terms of individual performance/impact Rose probably shouldn't have even been top 4 let alone the winner

[Perishable517]

LeBron, the undisputed GOAT BITCH.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29918327/los-angeles-lakers-lebron-james-says-mvp-voting-totals-pissed-off

I love that the Bucks upstaged him and stole his chance to be the league's social justice warrior supreme when the team wouldn't take the floor. Now, he's pissed because Giannis totally outplayed him in the regular season. Read his quotes, he barely calls Giannis by name.

There are certainly worse guys in the league than LeBron, but none less likeable in my book.

Yep. Giannis is his boogey man.

He has ALWAYS disliked Giannis.

His interview is not a good look. Looks as bad as Harden did last season.

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[Fotis St]

So a poster in the trade thread said Bucks should not trade for whoever Giannis says like he is a GM, and I said don't worry about that Giannis is like Rambo ... then I searched some videos with Rambo and the Colonel Trautman... some comparisons with Giannis and the Bucks can be made.

Check out these scenes with John (aka Giannis in Greek) Rambo

Episode 1 : 2 Medal of Honors - 2 Times MVP

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Episode 2: Will You Come Back ?

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Episode 3: Nothing is Over

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Episode 4: Are you interested ?

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Episode 5 : Giannis enters Bucks FO

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[fan230]

Bud has been quite inflexible in his offensive strategies. Many potentially good suggestions have been made in our forum. Next year we just cannot afford to remain the same. We will then lose Giannis and maybe Bud too.

Here is an article about how the Celtics completely changed their offensive tactics in Game 3 after losing the first 2 games to Miami. I hope Bud understands the importance of adjusting to your opponent and from game to game.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29923413/nba-playoffs-now-celtics-look

[sidney lanier]

LeBron, the undisputed GOAT BITCH.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29918327/los-angeles-lakers-lebron-james-says-mvp-voting-totals-pissed-off

I love that the Bucks upstaged him and stole his chance to be the league's social justice warrior supreme when the team wouldn't take the floor. Now, he's pissed because Giannis totally outplayed him in the regular season. Read his quotes, he barely calls Giannis by name.

There are certainly worse guys in the league than LeBron, but none less likeable in my book.

Yep. Giannis is his boogey man.

He has ALWAYS disliked Giannis.

His interview is not a good look. Looks as bad as Harden did last season.

I agree; not a good look. LBJ isn't usually this tone deaf. When Shaq felt he deserved it over Steve Nash, he didn't sound this petulant. And he had a better case.

[Mtsportsfan]

LeBron is a whiney sob , if he doesn't get his way or what he wants he turns in to a big baby. I get it , he one of the best players to ever play the game but chasing Jordan's greatness has gotten to him. He's always been entitled and always will be.
I get that assists are a stat that everybody looks at, and he is a fantastic passer , but you need guys to the actually hit the shots for you to get the assist. Kind of a subjective stat.

[emunney]

Plenty of years LeBron should have won it and didn't, but this ain't one and there likely won't be another.

What years do you think that he should have won?

I don't think Lebron should have won any of the last 6 years. The year Durant won it, the Heat had the 6th best record in the league and sleep walked through the regular season. I think the only one you could argue is the year Rose won it. Lebron wasn't going to win the award based on the backlash of the not 5...not 6 comments. But the Bulls did win 62 games that year and finished with a better record than the Heat did.

The Bulls also had a very good team around Rose.

Look at it this way: this is LeBron's 17th year. Does it pass the smell test that he's only been the most valuable player for 4 of those, considering how many of those years he was clearly the best player? There are always worthy alternatives, but come on. Harden, Westbrook, Durant: these guys have never been more valuable than LeBron. There are years when he's been like 4th in the voting. It's absurd.

Same thing happened with Jordan. In fact, that it happened with Jordan is probably a major factor here.

[Bucksfan28]

Expecting LeBron to say he shouldn't have won MVP is like expecting Jennings to not say "Bucks in 6." These dudes aren't going to objectively undercut themselves even if the actual outcome was or is self-evident. LeBron has also spoken highly of Giannis in the past. Fans get way too into their feelings sometimes.

[FlagsFlyForever]

LeBron could've won MVP every season from 2006 to 2013 but it's a narrative award and once you win a couple, it becomes increasingly difficult to win again. It's going to be nearly impossible for Giannis to win MVP next season even if he somehow has his best season yet.

[ReginaldDwight]

Lebron has a point Giannis has shown that his offensive game is severely limited when pressed. His foul habits limit his effectiveness in close games.

[Nowak008]

Plenty of years LeBron should have won it and didn't, but this ain't one and there likely won't be another.

What years do you think that he should have won?

I don't think Lebron should have won any of the last 6 years. The year Durant won it, the Heat had the 6th best record in the league and sleep walked through the regular season. I think the only one you could argue is the year Rose won it. Lebron wasn't going to win the award based on the backlash of the not 5...not 6 comments. But the Bulls did win 62 games that year and finished with a better record than the Heat did.

The Bulls also had a very good team around Rose.

Look at it this way: this is LeBron's 17th year. Does it pass the smell test that he's only been the most valuable player for 4 of those, considering how many of those years he was clearly the best player? There are always worthy alternatives, but come on. Harden, Westbrook, Durant: these guys have never been more valuable than LeBron. There are years when he's been like 4th in the voting. It's absurd.

Same thing happened with Jordan. In fact, that it happened with Jordan is probably a major factor here.

This goes back to the argument of, is the MVP an award for the best player or not? I like the way the MVP is currently awarded - it should go to the person who had the best regular season in a given year. It's a regular season award, it should not just be given to the best player.

Based on that criteria, I am completely ok with Lebron only having 4 MVP's. I think the only one that is debatable is the Rose one. But when you blindside a franchise by telling them on national TV you are signing with another team... and it makes people not want to vote for you... that's on you.

Should off the court stuff like the decision not count towards decision making? Maybe. Even if Durant would have been the best player in the league when he went to the Warriors - there is no way he should have been the MVP of the league. The MVP is more than just being the best basketball player in the league, rightfully so.

[jimmybones]

Lebron has a point Giannis has shown that his offensive game is severely limited when pressed. His foul habits limit his effectiveness in close games.

Kinda ridiculous to cite a very specific flaw in a player in reference to a big picture award. MVP - MOST VALUABLE PLAYER

[ReginaldDwight]

Lebron has a point Giannis has shown that his offensive game is severely limited when pressed. His foul habits limit his effectiveness in close games.

Kinda ridiculous to cite a very specific flaw in a player in reference to a big picture award. MVP - MOST VALUABLE PLAYER

Both flaws that showed in the playoffs, should Giannis have been MVP sure, but not sure he deserved to run away with it.

[Prez]

Lebron has a point Giannis has shown that his offensive game is severely limited when pressed. His foul habits limit his effectiveness in close games.

Kinda ridiculous to cite a very specific flaw in a player in reference to a big picture award. MVP - MOST VALUABLE PLAYER

Both flaws that showed in the playoffs, should Giannis have been MVP sure, but not sure he deserved to run away with it.

Yes he did, playoff performance has absolutely nothing to do with it. It’s a pure regular season award and it was as clear a pick as it gets.

[ReginaldDwight]

I get the Lebron hate is heavy here but dude averaged 25 10 and 8 this year not exactly sure how it’s clear cut

[Prez]

I get the Lebron hate is heavy here but dude averaged 25 10 and 8 this year not exactly sure how it’s clear cut

We really boiling it down to basic PTS/REB/AST? You dig into all the advanced/efficiency/impact numbers it really shouldn’t be debatable. LeBron had a great regular season. Giannis had a historically great regular season. It was a clear cut winner.

[brettski]

I get the Lebron hate is heavy here but dude averaged 25 10 and 8 this year not exactly sure how it’s clear cut

We really boiling it down to basic PTS/REB/AST? You dig into all the advanced/efficiency/impact numbers it really shouldn’t be debatable. LeBron had a great regular season. Giannis had a historically great regular season. It was a clear cut winner.

I'm still confused how Curry and Durant couldn't win MVP while playing together because they're both MVP worthy candidates then Lebron and AD join forces and both end up on the ALL NBA FIRST TEAM yet Lebron still comes second in voting....

[ReginaldDwight]

I get the Lebron hate is heavy here but dude averaged 25 10 and 8 this year not exactly sure how it’s clear cut

We really boiling it down to basic PTS/REB/AST? You dig into all the advanced/efficiency/impact numbers it really shouldn’t be debatable. LeBron had a great regular season. Giannis had a historically great regular season. It was a clear cut winner.

Sadly there’s no real criteria so yeah that and eye test.

[WRau1]

I get the Lebron hate is heavy here but dude averaged 25 10 and 8 this year not exactly sure how it’s clear cut

Giannis (who had an all-time season) was the best player on the best regular season team while also being the leagues best defender. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Lebron has a point Giannis has shown that his offensive game is severely limited when pressed. His foul habits limit his effectiveness in close games.

Did LeBron say that? He seemed very complimentary of Giannis from everything I saw, unlike Harden in the past.