Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[RonaldSeikaly]

Butler/Herro/Bam is going to be a nice recruiting team next year. I’m sure the Heat have their target identified, and the three of them will spend the year recruiting the same way the Warriors spent the season recruiting KD.

Also having Duncan/Nunn/KZ and possibly Dragic (room mle) on board will make the pitch even easier.

Exciting time to be a Heat fan - this year has been a massive win and some huge steps for players, and there no reason they can’t make another step next year.

What really kills me is that despite putting ourselfs in a great spot, with a lot to offer to any free agent (both in team, Organization and cap space) - there aren't really many exciting options out there :

This coming free agency you only got :

AD - who isn't leaving LA.

Brandon Ingram - who is restricted and NOP won't let him go.

Next year free agency you only have :

Antetokounmpo - who is unlikely to leave the Bucks - and even he does, I think he's a bad fit here next to Bam and jimmy.

LeBron James - who isn't leaving LA.

Kawhi Leonard - who isn't leaving LA

Gordon Hayward - Who is meh.

Kyle Lowry - who is too old.

Victor Oladipo - who is looking like he lost a step due to injury.

Jrue Holiday - who is good, but hardly a superstar.


So honestly, I just Don't see how we add game-changing talent these next 2 summers. Timing is ****...............

I think this is right, and it’s increasingly apparent that our best path is to continue to roll with Butler/Bam/Herro/Dragic and hope the development of the young guys exceeds the decline of the old guys.

But we will need to develop or sign another star in the next 2-3 years because by then Herro and Bam will be close to finished products but Dragic and Butler will continue to decline.


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[Kobewade11]

I think this is right, and it’s increasingly apparent that our best path is to continue to roll with Butler/Bam/Herro/Dragic and hope the development of the young guys exceeds the decline of the old guys.

But we will need to develop or sign another star in the next 2-3 years because by then Herro and Bam will be close to finished products but Dragic and Butler will continue to decline.


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finished products at 22 and 25? They wont be anywhere near their peak.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

What really kills me is that despite putting ourselfs in a great spot, with a lot to offer to any free agent (both in team, Organization and cap space) - there aren't really many exciting options out there :

This coming free agency you only got :

AD - who isn't leaving LA.

Brandon Ingram - who is restricted and NOP won't let him go.

Next year free agency you only have :

Antetokounmpo - who is unlikely to leave the Bucks - and even he does, I think he's a bad fit here next to Bam and jimmy.

LeBron James - who isn't leaving LA.

Kawhi Leonard - who isn't leaving LA

Gordon Hayward - Who is meh.

Kyle Lowry - who is too old.

Victor Oladipo - who is looking like he lost a step due to injury.

Jrue Holiday - who is good, but hardly a superstar.


So honestly, I just Don't see how we add game-changing talent these next 2 summers. Timing is ****...............

I think this is right, and it’s increasingly apparent that our best path is to continue to roll with Butler/Bam/Herro/Dragic and hope the development of the young guys exceeds the decline of the old guys.

But we will need to develop or sign another star in the next 2-3 years because by then Herro and Bam will be close to finished products but Dragic and Butler will continue to decline.

Duncan Robinson is not near being a finished product. Just imagine the amount of work he's put in the last year to be able to take the type of shots he's taking and to make a good % of them, it's one thing to be a good/great shooter, it's an entirely different skill to to run full speed off of screens and go straight up and make those shots. I'm expecting a better all around D.Robinson in 2 years(1st year of his next contract). His ORTG-DRTG looks really good for a 2nd year player(although older), his numbers blow Nunn out of the water both in the regular season and playoffs.

Personally, I'd keep the core of this team together for the next 3-5 years... Butler, Bam, Robinson, Herro, Dragic(he'll be good but less and less minutes), Crowder, DJJ and Leonard(that's 8), also toss in KZ as the project player. Dragic, Crowder, DJJ nd Leonard) will be lost for nothing if not resigned and I think Leonard can work on becoming a long term rotation player for this team. Everyone else... Nunn, Iggy(salary filler), Olynyk(if he opts in, salary filler) and all the lower 1st round draft picks Miami has is available to add another good player, probably not star but someone who may be an incredible fit. Say a guy like J.Holiday or B.Hield, or even maybe a sign and trade with OKC for Gallinari.

I've hated the limiting of the roster for future cap space. Just imagine how much better this team would have been RIGHT NOW if Miami would have said ok on a 3 year contract to Gallinari(probably in place of Crowder in the trade) and came to an agreement with Noel(who is on a cheap contract but is banking on his bird rights to get paid more). You could even get away with Gallo at the 5 with Bam on the bench.

[RexBoyWonder]

Spoiler:

What really kills me is that despite putting ourselfs in a great spot, with a lot to offer to any free agent (both in team, Organization and cap space) - there aren't really many exciting options out there :

This coming free agency you only got :

AD - who isn't leaving LA.

Brandon Ingram - who is restricted and NOP won't let him go.

Next year free agency you only have :

Antetokounmpo - who is unlikely to leave the Bucks - and even he does, I think he's a bad fit here next to Bam and jimmy.

LeBron James - who isn't leaving LA.

Kawhi Leonard - who isn't leaving LA

Gordon Hayward - Who is meh.

Kyle Lowry - who is too old.

Victor Oladipo - who is looking like he lost a step due to injury.

Jrue Holiday - who is good, but hardly a superstar.


So honestly, I just Don't see how we add game-changing talent these next 2 summers. Timing is ****...............

I think this is right, and it’s increasingly apparent that our best path is to continue to roll with Butler/Bam/Herro/Dragic and hope the development of the young guys exceeds the decline of the old guys.

But we will need to develop or sign another star in the next 2-3 years because by then Herro and Bam will be close to finished products but Dragic and Butler will continue to decline.

Duncan Robinson is not near being a finished product. Just imagine the amount of work he's put in the last year to be able to take the type of shots he's taking and to make a good % of them, it's one thing to be a good/great shooter, it's an entirely different skill to to run full speed off of screens and go straight up and make those shots. I'm expecting a better all around D.Robinson in 2 years(1st year of his next contract). His ORTG-DRTG looks really good for a 2nd year player(although older), his numbers blow Nunn out of the water both in the regular season and playoffs.

Personally, I'd keep the core of this team together for the next 3-5 years... Butler, Bam, Robinson, Herro, Dragic(he'll be good but less and less minutes), Crowder, DJJ and Leonard(that's 8), also toss in KZ as the project player. Dragic, Crowder, DJJ nd Leonard) will be lost for nothing if not resigned and I think Leonard can work on becoming a long term rotation player for this team. Everyone else... Nunn, Iggy(salary filler), Olynyk(if he opts in, salary filler) and all the lower 1st round draft picks Miami has is available to add another good player, probably not star but someone who may be an incredible fit. Say a guy like J.Holiday or B.Hield, or even maybe a sign and trade with OKC for Gallinari.

I've hated the limiting of the roster for future cap space. Just imagine how much better this team would have been RIGHT NOW if Miami would have said ok on a 3 year contract to Gallinari(probably in place of Crowder in the trade) and came to an agreement with Noel(who is on a cheap contract but is banking on his bird rights to get paid more). You could even get away with Gallo at the 5 with Bam on the bench.

Gallo is a much better shooter and overall offensive weapn then Crowder, but the main reason Crowder has been so impactfull here is because he's a good mobile defensive player. Gallo can't defend, and we REALLY need that position to be a plus defender with our lineups.

It might not be that exciting, but the best talent and impact, considering our needs and fit, that we could add is Jrue Holiday.

I'm not in love with Jrue, but he's :

1) A free agent after next year. (every year counts for us, don't want to wait 2-3 years for anybody)
2) will be 31 by then, still in his (late) prime.
3) good guy, smart player, fits with out culture, unselfish.
4) great defender, pretty good on offense, good leader and passer that doesn't need to "get his".

If Herro, Bam, Duncan and Nunn can all continue to improve offensively (and they all should, to some degree) I think he'd be a very good (not amazing) addition. Sometimes you can't hit a home run and better go for the single.

Jrue Holiday/Nunn
Herro/Dragic
Butler/KZ
Robinson/KZ
Bam/_____

Very balanced team, 3 great defenders, 2 great shooters (+Jrue who is an OK shooter), good mix of young and old.

[AirP.]

Gallo is a much better shooter and overall offensive weapn then Crowder, but the main reason Crowder has been so impactfull here is because he's a good mobile defensive player. Gallo can't defend, and we REALLY need that position to be a plus defender with our lineups.

It might not be that exciting, but the best talent and impact, considering our needs and fit, that we could add is Jrue Holiday.

I'm not in love with Jrue, but he's :

1) A free agent after next year. (every year counts for us, don't want to wait 2-3 years for anybody)
2) will be 31 by then, still in his (late) prime.
3) good guy, smart player, fits with out culture, unselfish.
4) great defender, pretty good on offense, good leader and passer that doesn't need to "get his".

If Herro, Bam, Duncan and Nunn can all continue to improve offensively (and they all should, to some degree) I think he'd be a very good (not amazing) addition. Sometimes you can't hit a home run and better go for the single.

Jrue Holiday/Nunn
Herro/Dragic
Butler/KZ
Robinson/KZ
Bam/_____

Very balanced team, 3 great defenders, 2 great shooters (+Jrue who is an OK shooter), good mix of young and old.

I'd love to see Jrue Holiday in Miami and think there's a high chance it happens. I do somewhat wonder if Westbrook will be on the radar this offseason. From recent interviews I've heard from players(mostly JJ Redick's podcast, JJ, KD, Dame, Iggy), I keep hearing them talk about saying Jrue Holiday is the best defensive guard in the league.

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[RonaldSeikaly]

Gallo is a much better shooter and overall offensive weapn then Crowder, but the main reason Crowder has been so impactfull here is because he's a good mobile defensive player. Gallo can't defend, and we REALLY need that position to be a plus defender with our lineups.

It might not be that exciting, but the best talent and impact, considering our needs and fit, that we could add is Jrue Holiday.

I'm not in love with Jrue, but he's :

1) A free agent after next year. (every year counts for us, don't want to wait 2-3 years for anybody)
2) will be 31 by then, still in his (late) prime.
3) good guy, smart player, fits with out culture, unselfish.
4) great defender, pretty good on offense, good leader and passer that doesn't need to "get his".

If Herro, Bam, Duncan and Nunn can all continue to improve offensively (and they all should, to some degree) I think he'd be a very good (not amazing) addition. Sometimes you can't hit a home run and better go for the single.

Jrue Holiday/Nunn
Herro/Dragic
Butler/KZ
Robinson/KZ
Bam/_____

Very balanced team, 3 great defenders, 2 great shooters (+Jrue who is an OK shooter), good mix of young and old.

I'd love to see Jrue Holiday in Miami and think there's a high chance it happens. From recent interviews I've heard from players(mostly JJ Redick's podcast), I keep hearing them talk about saying Jrue Holiday is the best defender in the league.

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As a free agent he might, but somebody is going to overpay to trade for him this offseason and will be highly incentivized to have him for more than 1 year.


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[twix2500]

Spoiler:

I think this is right, and it’s increasingly apparent that our best path is to continue to roll with Butler/Bam/Herro/Dragic and hope the development of the young guys exceeds the decline of the old guys.

But we will need to develop or sign another star in the next 2-3 years because by then Herro and Bam will be close to finished products but Dragic and Butler will continue to decline.

Duncan Robinson is not near being a finished product. Just imagine the amount of work he's put in the last year to be able to take the type of shots he's taking and to make a good % of them, it's one thing to be a good/great shooter, it's an entirely different skill to to run full speed off of screens and go straight up and make those shots. I'm expecting a better all around D.Robinson in 2 years(1st year of his next contract). His ORTG-DRTG looks really good for a 2nd year player(although older), his numbers blow Nunn out of the water both in the regular season and playoffs.

Personally, I'd keep the core of this team together for the next 3-5 years... Butler, Bam, Robinson, Herro, Dragic(he'll be good but less and less minutes), Crowder, DJJ and Leonard(that's 8), also toss in KZ as the project player. Dragic, Crowder, DJJ nd Leonard) will be lost for nothing if not resigned and I think Leonard can work on becoming a long term rotation player for this team. Everyone else... Nunn, Iggy(salary filler), Olynyk(if he opts in, salary filler) and all the lower 1st round draft picks Miami has is available to add another good player, probably not star but someone who may be an incredible fit. Say a guy like J.Holiday or B.Hield, or even maybe a sign and trade with OKC for Gallinari.

I've hated the limiting of the roster for future cap space. Just imagine how much better this team would have been RIGHT NOW if Miami would have said ok on a 3 year contract to Gallinari(probably in place of Crowder in the trade) and came to an agreement with Noel(who is on a cheap contract but is banking on his bird rights to get paid more). You could even get away with Gallo at the 5 with Bam on the bench.

Gallo is a much better shooter and overall offensive weapn then Crowder, but the main reason Crowder has been so impactfull here is because he's a good mobile defensive player. Gallo can't defend, and we REALLY need that position to be a plus defender with our lineups.

It might not be that exciting, but the best talent and impact, considering our needs and fit, that we could add is Jrue Holiday.

I'm not in love with Jrue, but he's :

1) A free agent after next year. (every year counts for us, don't want to wait 2-3 years for anybody)
2) will be 31 by then, still in his (late) prime.
3) good guy, smart player, fits with out culture, unselfish.
4) great defender, pretty good on offense, good leader and passer that doesn't need to "get his".

If Herro, Bam, Duncan and Nunn can all continue to improve offensively (and they all should, to some degree) I think he'd be a very good (not amazing) addition. Sometimes you can't hit a home run and better go for the single.

Jrue Holiday/Nunn
Herro/Dragic
Butler/KZ
Robinson/KZ
Bam/_____

Very balanced team, 3 great defenders, 2 great shooters (+Jrue who is an OK shooter), good mix of young and old.

Really wish the Heat could get Jrue .
I think it may need a player to request a trade again. The most likely to do so is Oladipo. Dont think Jrue has it in him. I hope so.

PG: Holiday or Oladipo/ Nunn or Dragic
SG: Robinson or Herro
SF: Butler/ Iggy/ Crowder
PF: Ibaka or Gallinari/ Okpala
Ce: Adebayo


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[RexBoyWonder]

Duncan Robinson is not near being a finished product. Just imagine the amount of work he's put in the last year to be able to take the type of shots he's taking and to make a good % of them, it's one thing to be a good/great shooter, it's an entirely different skill to to run full speed off of screens and go straight up and make those shots. I'm expecting a better all around D.Robinson in 2 years(1st year of his next contract). His ORTG-DRTG looks really good for a 2nd year player(although older), his numbers blow Nunn out of the water both in the regular season and playoffs.

Personally, I'd keep the core of this team together for the next 3-5 years... Butler, Bam, Robinson, Herro, Dragic(he'll be good but less and less minutes), Crowder, DJJ and Leonard(that's 8), also toss in KZ as the project player. Dragic, Crowder, DJJ nd Leonard) will be lost for nothing if not resigned and I think Leonard can work on becoming a long term rotation player for this team. Everyone else... Nunn, Iggy(salary filler), Olynyk(if he opts in, salary filler) and all the lower 1st round draft picks Miami has is available to add another good player, probably not star but someone who may be an incredible fit. Say a guy like J.Holiday or B.Hield, or even maybe a sign and trade with OKC for Gallinari.

I've hated the limiting of the roster for future cap space. Just imagine how much better this team would have been RIGHT NOW if Miami would have said ok on a 3 year contract to Gallinari(probably in place of Crowder in the trade) and came to an agreement with Noel(who is on a cheap contract but is banking on his bird rights to get paid more). You could even get away with Gallo at the 5 with Bam on the bench.

Gallo is a much better shooter and overall offensive weapn then Crowder, but the main reason Crowder has been so impactfull here is because he's a good mobile defensive player. Gallo can't defend, and we REALLY need that position to be a plus defender with our lineups.

It might not be that exciting, but the best talent and impact, considering our needs and fit, that we could add is Jrue Holiday.

I'm not in love with Jrue, but he's :

1) A free agent after next year. (every year counts for us, don't want to wait 2-3 years for anybody)
2) will be 31 by then, still in his (late) prime.
3) good guy, smart player, fits with out culture, unselfish.
4) great defender, pretty good on offense, good leader and passer that doesn't need to "get his".

If Herro, Bam, Duncan and Nunn can all continue to improve offensively (and they all should, to some degree) I think he'd be a very good (not amazing) addition. Sometimes you can't hit a home run and better go for the single.

Jrue Holiday/Nunn
Herro/Dragic
Butler/KZ
Robinson/KZ
Bam/_____

Very balanced team, 3 great defenders, 2 great shooters (+Jrue who is an OK shooter), good mix of young and old.

Really wish the Heat could get Jrue .
I think it may need a player to request a trade again. The most likely to do so is Oladipo. Dont think Jrue has it in him. I hope so.

PG: Holiday or Oladipo/ Nunn or Dragic
SG: Robinson or Herro
SF: Butler/ Iggy/ Crowder
PF: Ibaka or Gallinari/ Okpala
Ce: Adebayo


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Jrue is a free agent after next year ( he has a player option) - no way we should give up any assets to get him. He can here if he wants, we'll have the cap space for him.

[AirP.]

Jrue is a free agent after next year ( he has a player option) - no way we should give up any assets to get him. He can here if he wants, we'll have the cap space for him.

He's not opting out of 27 million at age 31.

What I don't get is why anyone would want to cut loose of so many rotation players(Dragic, Crowder, Leonard, DJJ) to make that cap room available for 1 player who isn't a top tier player. To create that cap room would be way more expensive then to just trade for him and with that, have the roster take a step backwards. If you're talking someone around the level of AD, LeBron, Embiid or Kawhi sure, but Jrue Holiday isn't that and he'll be 31, Butler will be 33. Not sure why everyone is so good with wasting Butler's prime years by not adding to the current roster when.....THIS ROSTER IS 1 GAME AWAY FROM THE FINALS!!!! I'd give up a chance at more cap room to have 2 more good shots at winning a championship in Butler's prime.

Also, from earlier...

Gallo is a much better shooter and overall offensive weapn then Crowder, but the main reason Crowder has been so impactfull here is because he's a good mobile defensive player. Gallo can't defend, and we REALLY need that position to be a plus defender with our lineups.

Right, but this was the reason Riley was also trying to get N.Noel in the trade also, Noel would have been the defensive center backup(possibly play with Bam some) that this team desperately needs. Instead of a 3 big rotation of Bam, Crowder, and whoever Spo sends out there it would have been Bam, Gallo, Noel. No Gallo isn't the defender Crowder is, but when you need that defense, Bam can slide down to the PF next to Noel at center. Gallo is a way better offensive player then Crowder to the point you don't have to worry about if this is a good or bad Crowder game making the the roster more stable and easier for Spo to figure out what to do in certain situations. Also, Crowder may have still been in Miami with Gallo instead of Noel(unless they reached an agreement).

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[twix2500]

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Gallo is a much better shooter and overall offensive weapn then Crowder, but the main reason Crowder has been so impactfull here is because he's a good mobile defensive player. Gallo can't defend, and we REALLY need that position to be a plus defender with our lineups.

It might not be that exciting, but the best talent and impact, considering our needs and fit, that we could add is Jrue Holiday.

I'm not in love with Jrue, but he's :

1) A free agent after next year. (every year counts for us, don't want to wait 2-3 years for anybody)
2) will be 31 by then, still in his (late) prime.
3) good guy, smart player, fits with out culture, unselfish.
4) great defender, pretty good on offense, good leader and passer that doesn't need to "get his".

If Herro, Bam, Duncan and Nunn can all continue to improve offensively (and they all should, to some degree) I think he'd be a very good (not amazing) addition. Sometimes you can't hit a home run and better go for the single.

Jrue Holiday/Nunn
Herro/Dragic
Butler/KZ
Robinson/KZ
Bam/_____

Very balanced team, 3 great defenders, 2 great shooters (+Jrue who is an OK shooter), good mix of young and old

.

Really wish the Heat could get Jrue .
I think it may need a player to request a trade again. The most likely to do so is Oladipo. Dont think Jrue has it in him. I hope so.

PG: Holiday or Oladipo/ Nunn or Dragic
SG: Robinson or Herro
SF: Butler/ Iggy/ Crowder
PF: Ibaka or Gallinari/ Okpala
Ce: Adebayo


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Jrue is a free agent after next year ( he has a player option) - no way we should give up any assets to get him. He can here if he wants, we'll have the cap space for him.

When I say he doesnt have it in him. I mean this, from all of the info I heard about him is that he loves NO. It has become home to him. I wouldnt say he wouldnt welcome to go to a team to compete. But if NO makes a playoff run, I could see him wanting to stick around if the money is right. NO will have a lot of rookie contracts so they can afford to throw an extension at Jrue.I feel like you have to get him before that happens. Also, he is in mid prime years. I think the best time to get Holiday is between last year and next year. And the Heat are in competing for a chip NOW mode.

It is hard to gauge Griffin. I think they are interested in picks and players that complement Zion.

He's not opting out of 27 million at age 31.

What I don't get is why anyone would want to cut loose of so many rotation players(Dragic, Crowder, Leonard, DJJ) to make that cap room available for 1 player who isn't a top tier player. To create that cap room would be way more expensive then to just trade for him and with that, have the roster take a step backwards. If you're talking someone around the level of AD, LeBron, Embiid or Kawhi sure, but Jrue Holiday isn't that and he'll be 31, Butler will be 33. Not sure why everyone is so good with wasting Butler's prime years by not adding to the current roster when.....THIS ROSTER IS 1 GAME AWAY FROM THE FINALS!!!! I'd give up a chance at more cap room to have 2 more good shots at winning a championship in Butler's prime.

I never agree to holding up an all-star quality player trade to keep rotation players. Role players can be replace and different roles and role players are needed when you modify the core players. Getting Jrue is getting Dragic and Crowder all rolled up in one player. You do not have to keep mismatching lineups to hide deficiencies. Also, remember the heat have to resign Crowder, DJJ, Leonard and Dragic. It is probably cheaper to get Jrue than two of those role players. I definitely do not think it is taking a step back. It making the team a lot more dangerous.

I would like to see what Spo can get out of him at age 30 and 31. I agree with you on waiting to get Jrue at age 32 and throwing long term big money at him. Waiting for Free Agency 2021, the Heat better off signing Oladipo. I still do not think the Heat want to wait that long for Oladipo as well. I think Oladipo/ Heat destiny see the most likely scenario if we are upgrading point guard. Oladipo is starting his prime years, so we should get peak years between 28 and 31.

If Herro is truly all-star quality player, getting the likes of Jrue or Oladipo is getting a forth all-star who do not dominate the ball.

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Id give up Nunn, DJJ, Kelly and a future 1st for Jrue. No doubt

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I never agree to holding up an all-star quality player trade to keep rotation players. Role players can be replace and different roles and role players are needed when you modify the core players. Getting Jrue is getting Dragic and Crowder all rolled up in one player. You do not have to keep mismatching lineups to hide deficiencies. Also, remember the heat have to resign Crowder, DJJ, Leonard and Dragic. It is probably cheaper to get Jrue than two of those role players. I definitely do not think it is taking a step back. It making the team a lot more dangerous.

I would like to see what Spo can get out of him at age 30 and 31. I agree with you on waiting to get Jrue at age 32 and throwing long term big money at him. Waiting for Free Agency 2021, the Heat better off signing Oladipo. I still do not think the Heat want to wait that long for Oladipo as well. I think Oladipo/ Heat destiny see the most likely scenario if we are upgrading point guard. Oladipo is starting his prime years, so we should get peak years between 28 and 31.

Jrue isn't Dragic and Crowder all rolled up into 1 player, he's by far a better player then Crowder but he's not on the same level as Dragic as an offensive player.

It's not just about signing Jrue at 31, it's also about playing with a lesser roster with Butler nearing the end of his prime. I just don't why people are so willing to waste the last of a player's prime years. This team is on the cusp of the finals, why wouldn't you want to strengthen the team next year and into the future? All it takes is ONE injury and the future goes down the drain, ask Chicago(Rose, J.Williams), Detroit/Orlando(G.Hill), Portland(Oden/Roy), Orlando(Penny), Indiana(Granger, Oladipo), Houston(Yao), LA(Bynum), LAC(Livingston)... you can't chart out how good you're going to be in 3-4 years, you have to play for now and have "some" flexibility to make moves if you need them. You got J.Butler when it was almost impossible to get him, this FO knows how to make moves. If someone wants to go to Miami in free agency, you just create a sign and trade for them, you don't just give up improving a good roster until then, especially one that has the ability to go to the conference or possibly nba finals. I just don't get why people always care way more about potential when the apex of the NBA is within their grasp.

[twix2500]

I never agree to holding up an all-star quality player trade to keep rotation players. Role players can be replace and different roles and role players are needed when you modify the core players. Getting Jrue is getting Dragic and Crowder all rolled up in one player. You do not have to keep mismatching lineups to hide deficiencies. Also, remember the heat have to resign Crowder, DJJ, Leonard and Dragic. It is probably cheaper to get Jrue than two of those role players. I definitely do not think it is taking a step back. It making the team a lot more dangerous.

I would like to see what Spo can get out of him at age 30 and 31. I agree with you on waiting to get Jrue at age 32 and throwing long term big money at him. Waiting for Free Agency 2021, the Heat better off signing Oladipo. I still do not think the Heat want to wait that long for Oladipo as well. I think Oladipo/ Heat destiny see the most likely scenario if we are upgrading point guard. Oladipo is starting his prime years, so we should get peak years between 28 and 31.

Jrue isn't Dragic and Crowder all rolled up into 1 player, he's by far a better player then Crowder but he's not on the same level as Dragic as an offensive player.

It's not just about signing Jrue at 31, it's also about playing with a lesser roster with Butler nearing the end of his prime. I just don't why people are so willing to waste the last of a player's prime years. This team is on the cusp of the finals, why wouldn't you want to strengthen the team next year and into the future? All it takes is ONE injury and the future goes down the drain, ask Chicago(Rose, J.Williams), Detroit/Orlando(G.Hill), Portland(Oden/Roy), Orlando(Penny), Indiana(Granger, Oladipo), Houston(Yao), LA(Bynum), LAC(Livingston)... you can't chart out how good you're going to be in 3-4 years, you have to play for now and have "some" flexibility to make moves if you need them. You got J.Butler when it was almost impossible to get him, this FO knows how to make moves. If someone wants to go to Miami in free agency, you just create a sign and trade for them, you don't just give up improving a good roster until then, especially one that has the ability to go to the conference or possibly nba finals. I just don't get why people always care way more about potential when the apex of the NBA is within their grasp.

Oh I am arguing to trade for Jrue because it will strengthen the roster immediately. I think the Heat are looking to make a trade after the season is over. They been active all year.

[twix2500]

Just heard WIndhorst just say that OKC is officially now in rebuild mode. And the writing on the wall for Paul and Adam to be moved. This might I stress might open the door again for Chris Paul to Miami. If the OKC want cap relief, I think the Heat would be will to talk again. Something like Iggy and Olynyk for Paul type of move.

[BigFaceCoffee]

We're on the cusp of making the NBA Finals, and yall want to trade for Jrue Holiday?

Ok then...

[puppa bear]

Just heard WIndhorst just say that OKC is officially now in rebuild mode. And the writing on the wall for Paul and Adam to be moved. This might I stress might open the door again for Chris Paul to Miami. If the OKC want cap relief, I think the Heat would be will to talk again. Something like Iggy and Olynyk for Paul type of move.

If we can keep Dragic and have a Pg rotation of Paul/Dragic then we’re set there. Having Jimmy/Herro/Duncan basically sets our wing rotation and then we just need the pieces around Bam to fill out the power rotation.

Nunn seems to be the odd player out here, especially if we keep DJJ/Jae to man the PF spot.

[Gerald3Wallace]

Curious as to what type of contract goran is expected to fetch? I know he’s UFA, 34 years old, but havinG a hell of a playoff run so far putting up 21/4/4 on 45/36 percentages. He’s been an important piece to the run.

Probably a 2-3 year contract?

[Wiltside]

Curious as to what type of contract goran is expected to fetch? I know he’s UFA, 34 years old, but havinG a hell of a playoff run so far putting up 21/4/4 on 45/36 percentages. He’s been an important piece to the run.

Probably a 2-3 year contract?

I’m sure he could fetch a 2-3 deal on the open market, the question is whether he shops himself around or does the team thing and helps us with our cap flexibility.

Obviously, we would rather a big 1yr deal, followed by a smaller 2 year deal next offseason. Will Goran go for that? We’re unsure.

If he decides to solicit outside offers, we will have a decision to make. It’d be a very tough decision to let him walk after how well he has played, but keeping a max slot for next year is critical to our long term viability as a contender.

[twix2500]

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Dawg they keep want to down play Wade lol. Windhorst staying Wade wasnt an elite defender

[3ballbomber]

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Dawg they keep want to down play Wade lol. Windhorst staying Wade wasnt an elite defender

Wade forever an underdog and will always be overshadowed & overlooked. That's what made him so good. He played w/ a constant chip on his shoulder because of the nay sayers. If Wade was young today he'd rip everybody apart the way people still doubt him. In 20yrs time people will continue to diminish him as a player. Only real heads know what's up.