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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1681 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:45 am

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the thing that worries me about R Williams is that my faith in him seems to be > than Brad Stevens.. He wasn't always hurt and had games when he showed great signs of play. INCLUDING THESE PLAYOFFS Then Brad inexplicably stopped playing him. I had always hoped when drafting a player like R Williams, Romeo Langford, that they get all the playing time over players that WILL NOT be a part of the team going forward.

examples - Green getting whatever minutes as a backup, was a waste of time. Should have given ALL of those minutes, most of Semi's minutes, and let Romeo get the all imortant game experience and confidence.

as much as Kanter had a positive affect at times, Timelord should have played all backup minutes and given the chance to DEVELOP..

Think about how Spo threw 2 NON DRAFTED ROOKIES into the starting lineup early on (D Robinson and K Nunn) and allowed to to develop and gain unbelievable confidence, he also let Herro basically come off the bench and do whatever he wanted, just be aggressive.

All above things seem to be polar opposite of Stevens and his rookies. I imagine what R William and Romeo could have done given a far greater opportunity and confidence from their coach.


Tyler herro would come off any bench and be aggressive....that’s who he is as a player. He’s incredibly confident and on offense he’s incredibly comfortable in his game. Spo def empowered him but herro is a player that has a swag about him where he always think he’s the best player on the court-even when he’s clearly not. He’s fearless and that’s a trait that makes him special and he would flourish most place including Boston.

Robinson has an incredible elite skill set that mandates he gets minutes on the court- robs skill set closest to this would Be his ability to block shots but it’s negated by him being out of position and or chasing those blocks and committing bad fouls. Alternately if Duncan is having a bad shooting night- u still need to know where he is on the court at all times and he can completely wreck a defense by the attention that’s giving to him.

Lastly rob was a rookie on a team with championship aspirations his rookie year and he was incredibly raw. Rookies who are incredibly raw and who are backs up to a max player in horford whose vital to the teams success and fits the coaches play style more and a guy like Baynes whose incredibly solid and potential starter typically don’t get time.

This year yes he should have played more but again he’s been injured often- theis has proved solid.


I get your points on Herro, but mine is different.. Spo decided to start, in the begiiningod the year, 2 Rookies, who haven't proven a single thing (D RoB, K Nunn) over the 13th pick in the draft (Herro) and told an former All-star ( Dragic) to come off the bench in favor of 2 yet to prove anything players, and allowed D Robinson to develop that shooting confidence. Same with Nunn.

Develop a game = giving confidence to a player as well as experience. With Brad it's the other way around..that's all I am saying... looking at Brad's track record with young players ( 20 NON top 6 draft picks) since Brad became coach, NOT a single one has become a quality NBA player yet. (except Rozier)

So at minimum Ainge's drafting with Brad's lack of youth development has killed Boston more than any other reason.


And then he benched nunn put in the veteran and the season turned around and nunn barely played in the playoffs.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1682 » by Darthlukey » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:47 am

MagicBagley18 wrote:**** ton of picks to work with is such a gross over assessment of our assets......if u combined our picks we maybe move up from 14 to 9 and it’s a **** draft on paper where there’s not a huge difference between the picks.

We have assets in players like brown/smart.....who you’d not move unless you’re getting a star return. Tatums untouchable. Kembas not going anywhere

Obviously it's extremely unlikely to happen, but how I would love moving Brown (and peripherals) for Simmons. Fit wise it makes both teams better, but allegedly Philly has plenty of offers for Simmons but none of the deals have a star in them, which is what they are after.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1683 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:52 am

In such a flat draft the late picks are worth more. They are also worth more in a league where the cap may go down.
But I'll return to the crux of this thread: what to do about Hayward, Stevens' fave. He's going to opt in. Do you move him? If so, for what? Or do you try to extend him? If so for how much?

He's the #1 tradeable asset. If Hayward is not on the block, then we're just nibbling around the edges. Kemba is not tradeable unless it's for an unwanted player.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1684 » by playa-hater » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:53 am

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Tyler herro would come off any bench and be aggressive....that’s who he is as a player. He’s incredibly confident and on offense he’s incredibly comfortable in his game. Spo def empowered him but herro is a player that has a swag about him where he always think he’s the best player on the court-even when he’s clearly not. He’s fearless and that’s a trait that makes him special and he would flourish most place including Boston.

Robinson has an incredible elite skill set that mandates he gets minutes on the court- robs skill set closest to this would Be his ability to block shots but it’s negated by him being out of position and or chasing those blocks and committing bad fouls. Alternately if Duncan is having a bad shooting night- u still need to know where he is on the court at all times and he can completely wreck a defense by the attention that’s giving to him.

Lastly rob was a rookie on a team with championship aspirations his rookie year and he was incredibly raw. Rookies who are incredibly raw and who are backs up to a max player in horford whose vital to the teams success and fits the coaches play style more and a guy like Baynes whose incredibly solid and potential starter typically don’t get time.

This year yes he should have played more but again he’s been injured often- theis has proved solid.


I get your points on Herro, but mine is different.. Spo decided to start, in the begiiningod the year, 2 Rookies, who haven't proven a single thing (D RoB, K Nunn) over the 13th pick in the draft (Herro) and told an former All-star ( Dragic) to come off the bench in favor of 2 yet to prove anything players, and allowed D Robinson to develop that shooting confidence. Same with Nunn.

Develop a game = giving confidence to a player as well as experience. With Brad it's the other way around..that's all I am saying... looking at Brad's track record with young players ( 20 NON top 6 draft picks) since Brad became coach, NOT a single one has become a quality NBA player yet. (except Rozier)

So at minimum Ainge's drafting with Brad's lack of youth development has killed Boston more than any other reason.


And then he benched nunn put in the veteran and the season turned around and nunn barely played in the playoffs.


In the playoffs. teams cut the rotation.. Spo played a savy Vet.. No problem. But Stevens hardly played R Williams and Romeo in the regular season, even when healthy. Big difference IMO.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1685 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:55 am

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I get your points on Herro, but mine is different.. Spo decided to start, in the begiiningod the year, 2 Rookies, who haven't proven a single thing (D RoB, K Nunn) over the 13th pick in the draft (Herro) and told an former All-star ( Dragic) to come off the bench in favor of 2 yet to prove anything players, and allowed D Robinson to develop that shooting confidence. Same with Nunn.

Develop a game = giving confidence to a player as well as experience. With Brad it's the other way around..that's all I am saying... looking at Brad's track record with young players ( 20 NON top 6 draft picks) since Brad became coach, NOT a single one has become a quality NBA player yet. (except Rozier)

So at minimum Ainge's drafting with Brad's lack of youth development has killed Boston more than any other reason.


And then he benched nunn put in the veteran and the season turned around and nunn barely played in the playoffs.


In the playoffs. teams cut the rotation.. Spo played a savy Vet.. No problem. But Stevens hardly played R Williams and Romeo in the regular season, even when healthy. Big difference IMO.


They put dragic back in the line up during the regular season...Williams gets a short leash bc he’s constantly out of position or in foul trouble. he didn’t play last year bc he was on a contender and was the 3rd string center
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1686 » by playa-hater » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:07 am

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And then he benched nunn put in the veteran and the season turned around and nunn barely played in the playoffs.


In the playoffs. teams cut the rotation.. Spo played a savy Vet.. No problem. But Stevens hardly played R Williams and Romeo in the regular season, even when healthy. Big difference IMO.


They put dragic back in the line up during the regular season...Williams gets a short leash bc he’s constantly out of position or in foul trouble. he didn’t play last year bc he was on a contender and was the 3rd string center


really? Every game I watched it was Theis in massive foul trouble. And even if RW was out of position, as you say, he managed to be productive. Not to mention, what I have been saying all along, give Timelord more minutes in the regular season, and let he learn, with experience. by playoffs he will be far more ready..
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1687 » by The Corey's » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:07 am

So what are we giving up for warriors number 2?

Any way to get that done without given up tatum?
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Post#1688 » by playa-hater » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:09 am

*I am not going to run to the numbers, but I believe R Williams per 40 was be far better than Theis or Kanter on all accounts. Scoring, Rebounds and defense..
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1689 » by Darthlukey » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:10 am

The Corey's wrote:So what are we giving up for warriors number 2?

Any way to get that done without given up tatum?

Absolutely, but not without totalling gutting our team
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1690 » by darylbe » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:13 am

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The Corey's wrote:So what are we giving up for warriors number 2?

Any way to get that done without given up tatum?


Who do you want at 2 that you'd give up anything except JT?
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1691 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:16 am

playa-hater wrote:*I am not going to run to the numbers, but I believe R Williams per 40 was be far better than Theis or Kanter on all accounts. Scoring, Rebounds and defense..


Except he doesn’t spread the floor at all like brad wants and theis did until inexplicably being afraid to shoot in the post season. While theis is no marksman he at least had a resemblance of a threat during the regular season.

Theis also had a huge lead on timelord in terms of intangibles like sealing players off, when to set screens, knowing when to switch and when not to.

Timelord will get his minutes and maybe he’ll develop into a stater but he still is raw in terms of team defense and theis deserved more minutes than him- especially given robs injury.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1692 » by The Corey's » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:53 am

Darthlukey wrote:
The Corey's wrote:So what are we giving up for warriors number 2?

Any way to get that done without given up tatum?

Absolutely, but not without totalling gutting our team


Tatum and Edwards is something to consider.

Just saying.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1693 » by The Corey's » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:54 am

darylbe wrote:[tweet][/tweet]
The Corey's wrote:So what are we giving up for warriors number 2?

Any way to get that done without given up tatum?


Who do you want at 2 that you'd give up anything except JT?


Edwards. We need a big.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1694 » by Darthlukey » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:56 am

The Corey's wrote:
darylbe wrote:[tweet][/tweet]
The Corey's wrote:So what are we giving up for warriors number 2?

Any way to get that done without given up tatum?


Who do you want at 2 that you'd give up anything except JT?


Edwards. We need a big.

How does edwards help us if we need a big?
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1695 » by The Corey's » Thu Oct 1, 2020 2:06 am

Darthlukey wrote:
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darylbe wrote:[tweet][/tweet]

Who do you want at 2 that you'd give up anything except JT?


Edwards. We need a big.

How does edwards help us if we need a big?


Poorly worded. My bad.

He doesn't. I just mean specifically we need a big. I personally am not seeing a path to a championship with the chemistry and talent we currently have.

Only tatum shows true greatness and he's still so young that he does what all young guys do and is inconsistent game to game.

I am not attached at the hip to Brown, especially given how often he struggles to shoot.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1696 » by playa-hater » Thu Oct 1, 2020 2:54 am

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And then he benched nunn put in the veteran and the season turned around and nunn barely played in the playoffs.


In the playoffs. teams cut the rotation.. Spo played a savy Vet.. No problem. But Stevens hardly played R Williams and Romeo in the regular season, even when healthy. Big difference IMO.


They put dragic back in the line up during the regular season...Williams gets a short leash bc he’s constantly out of position or in foul trouble. he didn’t play last year bc he was on a contender and was the 3rd string center


No they didn't and they just confirmed it. Nunn missed the start of the bubble due to catching Covid.. But none of that is my point.. Give young guys minutes and often or they won't develop.. plain and simple!!
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Post#1697 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:01 am

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In the playoffs. teams cut the rotation.. Spo played a savy Vet.. No problem. But Stevens hardly played R Williams and Romeo in the regular season, even when healthy. Big difference IMO.


They put dragic back in the line up during the regular season...Williams gets a short leash bc he’s constantly out of position or in foul trouble. he didn’t play last year bc he was on a contender and was the 3rd string center


No they didn't and they just confirmed it. Nunn missed the start of the bubble due to catching Covid.. But none of that is my point.. Give young guys minutes and often or they won't develop.. plain and simple!!


Nunn lost his spot and never got it back....I didn’t need to watch the broadcast like u to know that and he also barely played in the playoffs like i said thanks tho
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Post#1698 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:03 am

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In the playoffs. teams cut the rotation.. Spo played a savy Vet.. No problem. But Stevens hardly played R Williams and Romeo in the regular season, even when healthy. Big difference IMO.


They put dragic back in the line up during the regular season...Williams gets a short leash bc he’s constantly out of position or in foul trouble. he didn’t play last year bc he was on a contender and was the 3rd string center


No they didn't and they just confirmed it. Nunn missed the start of the bubble due to catching Covid.. But none of that is my point.. Give young guys minutes and often or they won't develop.. plain and simple!!

I think it's more Ainge's drafting outside of the top 6 that's the issue than Stevens' ability to develop young guys (although this could improve too). I can't even name four guys we've drafted outside of the top 6 from 2013 to 2018 that's still in the league. Nader? Rozier? KO? Those last two we developed well and had pivotal roles in our ECF runs before their rookie contracts were up.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1699 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:05 am

ConstableGeneva wrote: We've heard nothing about Turner wanting to get moved.


Not strictly true.

However, he's under contract there for quite a while, and we haven't heard nearly ENOUGH about him wanting out to conclude that Indy has any real need to move him.
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Post#1700 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:08 am

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In the playoffs. teams cut the rotation.. Spo played a savy Vet.. No problem. But Stevens hardly played R Williams and Romeo in the regular season, even when healthy. Big difference IMO.


They put dragic back in the line up during the regular season...Williams gets a short leash bc he’s constantly out of position or in foul trouble. he didn’t play last year bc he was on a contender and was the 3rd string center


No they didn't and they just confirmed it. Nunn missed the start of the bubble due to catching Covid.. But none of that is my point.. Give young guys minutes and often or they won't develop.. plain and simple!!


Geez last I checked the bubble was the regular season re-start seeding games......it wasn’t the playoffs. Lost his spot never got it back- barely played in the playoffs on a deep playoff run. Finding gems who get significant minutes in the mid teens or late rounds or even undrafted is incredibly hard and requires luck.

Herro would play anywhere. Williams time is coming - he wasn’t ready last year and he wasn’t readily available enough this year

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